where is compfreak (deviledegg24) and his maths? usually he fixes up threads like these 8-) .

 

You can't compare accuracy, defense, and strength to make a math equation.

 

 

 

It's just exp rates, and common sense that is needed here.

The great thing is that Black Mask, Void, and the Necklace STACK :thumbsup:

 

 

 

They destroy at waterfiends btw.

 

 

 

Nice guide, I had a lot of info comparing the Zerker combo to conventional training (like whip) on my GD thread, if you wanna check it out. viewtopic.php?f=30&t=750480&hilit=zerker

 

 

 

I don't think void stacks with berserker necklace. I checked on the max hit calculator and it seems to have a lower max damage with the void set than with simply nothing instead of void :? Maybe it's just the max hit calculator that is wrong, but I'll have to check that.

The great thing is that Black Mask, Void, and the Necklace STACK :thumbsup:

 

 

 

They destroy at waterfiends btw.

 

 

 

Nice guide, I had a lot of info comparing the Zerker combo to conventional training (like whip) on my GD thread, if you wanna check it out. viewtopic.php?f=30&t=750480&hilit=zerker

 

 

 

I don't think void stacks with berserker necklace. I checked on the max hit calculator and it seems to have a lower max damage with the void set than with simply nothing instead of void :? Maybe it's just the max hit calculator that is wrong, but I'll have to check that.

 

void doesnt do anything to strength

The only time in which it would be good to use this combination is if you do not have access to the Dragon Scimitar, even then it is debatable. A test I performed on Moss Giants showed Dragon Scimitar was still faster experience. If you don't have access to the Scimitar, you could spend a few hours to make the money to buy a Whip. The controlled option is overall the most efficient way to gain experience. While it isn't directly to Strength, it is overall a more efficient way to train Strength.

Added some of my own screenshots of me doing slayer :. I had one of Dust devils, but when I pasted it into paint the colors went weird :?. Anybody knows what's the cause of that and/or any solution?

The only time in which it would be good to use this combination is if you do not have access to the Dragon Scimitar, even then it is debatable. A test I performed on Moss Giants showed Dragon Scimitar was still faster experience. If you don't have access to the Scimitar, you could spend a few hours to make the money to buy a Whip. The controlled option is overall the most efficient way to gain experience. While it isn't directly to Strength, it is overall a more efficient way to train Strength.

 

 

 

Or you could go with a dragon longsword and get a comparable weapon without doing a quest at all.

The only time in which it would be good to use this combination is if you do not have access to the Dragon Scimitar, even then it is debatable. A test I performed on Moss Giants showed Dragon Scimitar was still faster experience. If you don't have access to the Scimitar, you could spend a few hours to make the money to buy a Whip. The controlled option is overall the most efficient way to gain experience. While it isn't directly to Strength, it is overall a more efficient way to train Strength.

 

 

 

Or you could go with a dragon longsword and get a comparable weapon without doing a quest at all.

 

 

 

Lost City?

Beastly guide guess what i just bought

The only time in which it would be good to use this combination is if you do not have access to the Dragon Scimitar, even then it is debatable. A test I performed on Moss Giants showed Dragon Scimitar was still faster experience. If you don't have access to the Scimitar, you could spend a few hours to make the money to buy a Whip. The controlled option is overall the most efficient way to gain experience. While it isn't directly to Strength, it is overall a more efficient way to train Strength.

 

 

 

Or you could go with a dragon longsword and get a comparable weapon without doing a quest at all.

 

 

 

Lost City?

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure you only need to do the quest to access the shop that sells them. You can still buy on the GE and wield it.

The only time in which it would be good to use this combination is if you do not have access to the Dragon Scimitar, even then it is debatable. A test I performed on Moss Giants showed Dragon Scimitar was still faster experience. If you don't have access to the Scimitar, you could spend a few hours to make the money to buy a Whip. The controlled option is overall the most efficient way to gain experience. While it isn't directly to Strength, it is overall a more efficient way to train Strength.

 

 

 

Or you could go with a dragon longsword and get a comparable weapon without doing a quest at all.

 

 

 

Lost City?

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure you only need to do the quest to access the shop that sells them. You can still buy on the GE and wield it.

 

 

 

Nope gotta do Lost City to wield it... same for dagger

Added some of my own screenshots of me doing slayer :. I had one of Dust devils, but when I pasted it into paint the colors went weird :?. Anybody knows what's the cause of that and/or any solution?

 

Maybe you saved it in a bad format? Try save as .PNG

 

If the colours go weird as soon as you paste then I don't know :?

hey noticed you added my graveyard kills link, cheers

For any monster I trained with with the split sword, I seemed to either get hit too much or hit too little, finding a dragon scimitar better. Maybe if I was higher levelled or fought lower levelled monsters, the beserker necklace combo would be better - on yaks for example, using a split sword would be better experience than a saradomin sword as it hits higher and accuracy isn't too important. However with Duradel and slayer I found no tasks I could effectively use this with. At waterfiends the necklace would give too much negative magic defence to work, it would be like using karils that has degraded to black dragonhide or worse.

For any monster I trained with with the split sword, I seemed to either get hit too much or hit too little, finding a dragon scimitar better. Maybe if I was higher levelled or fought lower levelled monsters, the beserker necklace combo would be better - on yaks for example, using a split sword would be better experience than a saradomin sword as it hits higher and accuracy isn't too important. However with Duradel and slayer I found no tasks I could effectively use this with. At waterfiends the necklace would give too much negative magic defence to work, it would be like using karils that has degraded to black dragonhide or worse.

 

I think the very miniscule 1 str is made up from Prayer and Attack bonuses in EVERY monster in Runescape...

However with Duradel and slayer I found no tasks I could effectively use this with.

 

 

 

-Black Dragons (Excellent since using stab)

 

-Dust devils

 

-Hellhounds

 

-Gargoyles

 

-Fire giants

 

-Nechryaels

 

-Suqahs

 

-Kalphites

 

-Steel Dragons (Yet need high attack + potion)

 

-Dagganoths

 

-Bloodvelds

 

-Greater Demons

 

-Black Demons

 

-Goraks

 

-Infernal Mages

 

-Iron Dragons

 

 

 

In other words, all tasks with no incredible defence, exept Aberrant Spectres since the Salve Amulet works better.

umm whats the real name of the sword so i can purchase one??

toktz-xil-ak.

oh yeah um another note if you just type in tz in the ge you generally get all obsidian items except the cape which is just plain obsidian cape

No, you dont get the knife and sword, that start with ''to''

 

 

 

Edit : nvm - theres the ''tz'' in the middle of the name :roll:

-Black Dragons (Excellent since using stab)

 

-Dust devils

 

-Hellhounds

 

-Gargoyles

 

-Fire giants

 

-Nechryaels

 

-Suqahs

 

-Kalphites

 

-Steel Dragons (Yet need high attack + potion)

 

-Dagganoths

 

-Bloodvelds

 

-Greater Demons

 

-Black Demons

 

-Goraks

 

-Infernal Mages

 

-Iron Dragons

 

 

 

In other words, all tasks with no incredible defence, exept Aberrant Spectres since the Salve Amulet works better.

 

This is wrong. Even if one of these NPCs is weaker to stab than slash, it isn't by alot in this case (except for metal dragons). However, while it may be weaker to that type, the added bonus of a much higher attack bonus outweighs that. Compare the TokTz-Xil-Ak to the Dragon Scimitar. The Scimitar has a +39 Attack bonus over the Obsidian Weapon. That outweighs the lower defence to stab unless their is a great difference in the defence. An example is say one NPC has an effective defence bonus of +100 slash and +90 Stab. Sure it is weaker to stab, but the Dragon Scimitar will have a higher experience rate due to its higher bonus. Your defence bonuses are down by +33 in stab and slash and +35 in the other defence bonuses. Over time that will result in more damage being done to you and cost more money. Don't forget the +2 prayer difference either.

 

 

 

If you include the difference in attack bonus, defence bonus, and prayer bonus, even a Dragon Scimitar will result in cheaper training, with a higher experience rate. I posted something similar to this in a thread in General Discussion. It was to determine the threshold for when the +2 prayer bonus outweighs the increased cost of the item (in that case it was a fire cape). I'll work it out for this case here (and afterwards you'll see why this comparison is important).

 

 

 

In order for the +2 prayer bonus to be worth it, you need to save 2.4mil on using Prayer in the future with the Fury (difference in price between the two setups). Assuming the average player has 70 Prayer, a Prayer potion will restore 96 points at the cost of 8,214. So the Fury needs to save approximately 28,050 prayer points, which is about 292 Prayer potions worth. A +2 Prayer bonus makes 1 Prayer point last about 0.07 seconds longer, but we'll round it off to 0.1. So for every 10 prayer points used 1 extra point is saved, meaning in total you will need to use 280,497 prayer points to be worth it. So if in the future you plan on using over 2,922 prayer potions, the Fury and Dragon Scimitar combination is worth it.

 

 

 

If over the course of everything you do, if you ever use more than that many prayer potions, then by that aspect alone the additonal cost of the Fury is made up and anything after is profit. Yes that is alot of prayer potions though, but that is just one aspect of why it is worse. The lowered defence will result in an increased cost of food and such and waste time for any additonal bank trips caused by this. That is also based on you getting an equal amount of experience per hour with each set up. The Scimitar will have a higher rate than the TotTz-Xil-Ak.

 

 

 

You listed 16 tasks, one of which Duradel doesn't even assign (Infernal Mages). Most of those tasks you are better off which a higher attack and/or defence bonus.

In answer ot your post :

 

 

 

I would like you to take in consideration that since these monsters have very low defence (most of them), the lower accuracy of the obsidian weapons is absolutely negligeable, and those with higher defence have a weakness to the stab-type damage. The obsidian split-sword, combined with the berserker necklace, has a higher maximum hit than a dragon scimitar with a fury amulet together. I know very well, from both theory and practice, that I finish my slayer tasks in a shorter time with the obsidian split-sword. Of course, it is not true for some people with low attack. That is why I suggest having a decent attack level for using obsidian weapons instead of dragon ones (considering you have the ability/money/skills to wield both, if not, dragon weapons aren't even an option), otherwise it doesn't really make more ''damage per hour''.

 

 

 

P.S. : I am very certain to have recieved many infernal mage tasks from Duradel/Lapalok.

 

 

 

Edit : Most people don't use prayer pots on their common slayer assignments.

In answer ot your post :

 

 

 

I would like you to take in consideration that since these monsters have very low defence (most of them), the lower accuracy of the obsidian weapons is absolutely negligeable, and those with higher defence have a weakness to the stab-type damage. The obsidian split-sword, combined with the berserker necklace, has a higher maximum hit than a dragon scimitar with a fury amulet together. I know very well, from both theory and practice, that I finish my slayer tasks in a shorter time with the obsidian split-sword. Of course, it is not true for some people with low attack. That is why I suggest having a decent attack level for using obsidian weapons instead of dragon ones (considering you have the ability/money/skills to wield both, if not, dragon weapons aren't even an option), otherwise it doesn't really make more ''damage per hour''.

 

 

 

P.S. : I am very certain to have recieved many infernal mage tasks from Duradel/Lapalok.

 

Low defence doesn't make the Sword better. You are still going to be hitting more often with the Scimitar. Not all monsters with high defence are weak to stab either. Another thing to say is that it isn't all about the max hit. Hitting higher doesn't help if your chances of actually hitting to begin with are low. You shouldn't discount the Whip either, it is actually more efficient to train Strength that way, same with Attack and Defence. Instead of taking a round about guess that you finish faster, actually time it and gain rates. As some mentioned earlier, your "guide" is nothing but saying that the weapon exists and you believe it is good. You have given no evidence to this and expect just because it can hit higher that it is better.

 

 

 

In my experience Dragon Scimitar gets 20k more experience per hour on average compared to the TokTs-Xil-Ak. What makes that statement any less true that what you have said? (For the record it isn't true :lol: ). Perform controlled tests and then determine the outcome, you can't do it the other way around. As for the Infernal Mages, Duradel sed to assign them, ages ago. They haven't been there for ages so Lapolak has no chance to have assigned you them. Even if they were still no the list you would be even more worse off. The loss of 35 magic defence will result in receiving much more damage from them, and is not worth using.

the lower accuracy of the obsidian weapons is absolutely negligeable

 

Lol, not even close. I mean they have to have the defense of chickens.

 

 

 

The obsidian split-sword, combined with the berserker necklace, has a higher maximum hit than a dragon scimitar with a fury amulet together.

 

But the SS is better by far. Nobody uses Dragon scimitars now except for uninformed people...

Lol, not even close. I mean they have to have the defense of chickens.

 

I have pertinent reasons to say that their defence is negligeable. I know both from theory and a lot of practice, and the results are surprising. You'd even be surprised how close of a chicken's their defences can be (exclusing some of them, like dragons). As I said before, all my tasks with obsidian weapons are done more easily than with dragon scimitar.

 

 

 

But the SS is better by far. Nobody uses Dragon scimitars now except for uninformed people...

 

The ss has a lot of disadvantages, and most people don't use it for slayer.

 

 

 

-It is very costly, and people use it mostly for power-training strength, then sell it back.

 

-It is 2-handed, so it causes less damage (not a lot less, but still) than the obsidian sword with berserker necklace, so cost-wise and damage-wise, obsidian weapons are more advisable on low-defence monsters when you have a high attack level. The ss also removes you the advantages of the shield slot, whih is quite important for high-hitting monsters.

 

-It is 2-handed, making it impossible to use it efficiently against any dragon-kind task.

You really need to start using stopwatches and time your rates...

 

 

 

And defense ignorable? You really are making stuff up on the go, aren't you?