You aren't even using any real argument to defend your point, so I don't see why I would keep arguing with you. The last thing I'll say to you is to actually really try and test it instead of just doing hypotesis. If you don't have anything to defend your point, stop posting, or I'll just stop bothering to answer you.

 

 

 

P.S. : The fact that I stop responding doesn't mean you are right in any point.

You aren't even using any real argument to defend your point, so I don't see why I would keep arguing with you. The last thing I'll say to you is to actually really try and test it instead of just doing hypotesis. If you don't have anything to defend your point, stop posting, or I'll just stop bothering to answer you.

 

 

 

P.S. : The fact that I stop responding doesn't mean you are right in any point.

 

I believe you are referring to Inuashakent, and I believe Inu is correct. I don't see what you mean by not using any "real argument", because I don't know what a false argument is :? . You said the lowered accuracy is negligible and Inuashakent mentioned that they would have to have the defence of Chickens for that to be the case. While maybe not the best way to explain it, it is quite valid. Regardless of defence level, even on something as basic as a chicken, you will still hit less accurately. This being less noticeable on Chickens however. Most NPCs trained on and killed on a regular basis do not have such low defence, therefore making the loss in accuacy a noticeable loss. You mention theory and practice, please enlighten us to what theory this is? No theory can give you an accurate comparison unless you know the effects of each difference in question (how much the attack bonus makes a difference, same with defence bonuses). As for practice, fell free to show us the practice. Screenshots of max hits gives no indication. Performing tests is the only way.

 

 

 

I also don't see how the SS has alot of disadvantages. As for how you responded to the SS being more expensive, you answered that yourself. This applies in all cases really. Every item can always be resold, and hence it should never be seen as a "cost" unless it is never intended to be sold. It might be two-handed, but that doesn;t instantly make it bad. "Less damage" comes down to what context you are using. It is a lower max true, but it is higher accuracy. This accuracy outweighs the slightly lower max hit and as such results in more experience per hour. This means that per hour it is "more damage". The loss in shield slot is bad, but not in all cases. A Whip and Defender has more attack and Defence bonuses than the SS, but the SS does more damage per hour on gargoyles on the crush setting. Most people do not kill dragons on a regular basis, but yes it is a loss. The SS overall is in my opinion better than the TokTz-Xil-Ak.

 

 

 

You say you won't argue with Inu anymore on the basis of no real arguments. Inu has brought up valid questions and responses. The fact that you stop responding to valid points does give an indication that Inu is right. You keep saying in practice it is oh so good, and that is supposed to be 100% true. Show tests then. As has been said, this is less of a guide and more along the lines of simply telling people these items exists and hit this high.

 

 

 

Your are being hypocritical here also. You refuse to provide tests and hence have nothing to defend your point. Yet you also say that Inuashakent supposedly has nothing to defend his point. This is the same as you. I have performed a test, while only one, from it there was more experience per hour with a Dragon Scimitar the the TokTz-Xil-Ak.

i did a few tests these are training 1 hour at a time using my windows clock as a guide for the hour.

 

 

 

wielding this:

 

helm: berserk 75k

 

plate: bandos 12m

 

legs: bandos 10m

 

shield: obsidian 350k

 

boots: dragon 300k

 

cape: legends 750gp

 

amulet: fury 2.8m/ berserk 200k

 

gloves: barrows 100k

 

ring: berserk 2m

 

total for armour 27.625m

 

with scimitar 27.725

 

with ss 34.325m

 

with obby sword 25.195m

 

weapon: scimitar 100k/ss w'o shield7m-300k/ obby sword130k

 

 

 

i was training at daganoths under the lighthouse

 

my inventory was 1 super set (4)

 

1 prayer pot (4)

 

1 dds

 

rest was tuna potatoes and i didn't pick up anything

 

 

 

with the ss i hit constant low 40s high 30s

 

with scimitar i hit constant mid 30s high 20s

 

with obby sword i hit constant high 30s and less 40s than the ss

 

 

 

with the sardomin sword i managed 71k exp

 

with the scimitar i managed 64k exp

 

with the obsidian sword i managed 68k exp

 

 

 

so for ~2.6m less i can obtain more exp than scimitar

 

but with the ss i need ~9.2m more for 3k exp more an hour

It's Artifact, not artefact

i did a few tests these are training 1 hour at a time using my windows clock as a guide for the hour.

 

 

 

wielding this:

 

helm: berserk 75k

 

plate: bandos 12m

 

legs: bandos 10m

 

shield: obsidian 350k

 

boots: dragon 300k

 

cape: legends 750gp

 

amulet: fury 2.8m/ berserk 200k

 

gloves: barrows 100k

 

ring: berserk 2m

 

total for armour 27.625m

 

with scimitar 27.725

 

with ss 34.325m

 

with obby sword 25.195m

 

weapon: scimitar 100k/ss w'o shield7m-300k/ obby sword130k

 

 

 

i was training at daganoths under the lighthouse

 

my inventory was 1 super set (4)

 

1 prayer pot (4)

 

1 dds

 

rest was tuna potatoes and i didn't pick up anything

 

 

 

with the ss i hit constant low 40s high 30s

 

with scimitar i hit constant mid 30s high 20s

 

with obby sword i hit constant high 30s and less 40s than the ss

 

 

 

with the sardomin sword i managed 71k exp

 

with the scimitar i managed 64k exp

 

with the obsidian sword i managed 68k exp

 

 

 

so for ~2.6m less i can obtain more exp than scimitar

 

but with the ss i need ~9.2m more for 3k exp more an hour

 

Well at least it shows SS is better after all, however the Scimitar wasn't in this place. You would also find over the course of time you would have to spend more to keep your Hitpoints up with the TokTz-Xil-Ak combination. Perhaps you could do more tests on different NPCs?

 

 

 

It's Artifact, not artefact

 

That is true. It is spelt "artifact" but pronouced as "artefact". Although I have seen it spelt like artefact many times, but I believe the main way is the former.

er....i would do another test but um i just solf all my good items coz im starting to merchant again

Nice guide. I got an obby knife and a bezerker necklace, and I can hit 19s with no pots, pray, or boosted stats. With the exact same equipment, I can hit 20s with whip. This really helped. Thanks.

One thing I'm not quite getting is why people compare the costs of the zerker necklace with the fury and only look at the accuracy.

 

 

 

If you're looking at accuracy, you could go for a glory ammy. 2 less strength, about 2.6 mil cheaper.

 

 

 

The_dmt1234's claim that "so for ~2.6m less i can obtain more exp than scimitar" is a little off.

well the amulet of fury is an onyx item and the berserk necklace is an onyx item...

 

if you wanna compare using skills necklace and glory go ahead

That argument makes even less sense.

 

 

 

A zammy prayer book and a sara prayer book are both shield slot prayer based items, but does it make sense to compare them for defence though?

 

 

 

The fury and berserker necklace being onyx items is totally irrelevant. You're supposed to be looking at their purpose overall. To again look at your same type of item reasoning, why are we comparing the dragon scimitar with any of the obsidian weapons at all? Aren't they made of different materials?

 

 

 

Glory amulets are looked at a step above power amulets and a step or two down from fury amulets. Yes, they are extensively used for teleporting, but obviously one of their main purposes is for stat boosts in fighting. Furys are used for stat boosts in fighting. Both of them provide +10 attack with the major difference being in defence bonuses. However, the original argument that was made was purely looking at the accuracy and attack bonus of each combination.

well the amulet of fury is an onyx item and the berserk necklace is an onyx item...

 

if you wanna compare using skills necklace and glory go ahead

 

 

 

And all items are made up of pixels. I win.

 

 

 

Sound stupid? Read your own quote.

 

 

 

On a side note, you cant compare the difference in price. BOTH items can go up or down. You will use more money with the ZeRkEr than then the normal set as it's defense is lower.

Well the price shifting isn't a huge factor. We can all agree that the fury isn't going to be 300K anytime soon and likewise the zerker necklace won't be popping up to 2.6 mil. At most I'd say these two items would fluctuate by 10 MAYBE 15%, but that's a bit of a stretch until some new huge update comes in.

 

 

 

But yes, they are all made of pixels on your screen :lol:

I read this guide an though pfft but i had waterfiends as slayer and thought why not try,Im converted i was so surprised (im 134 cbl) i was out performing with faster killing and less damage (wearing dfs) than a zammy spear weilder and a sgs user there (was mace on crush of course) but if you going to use regularly needs thinking on what tasks you going to take obby weps to.

 

 

 

note..tried sword at greater demons vs wip never noticed that much diffrence but took abit more damage with sword, but with the new improved excalibur e took care of any extra healing bunny couldnt takecare of :thumbup:

Superb Guide 10/10

 

 

 

 

 

im hitting a lot higher constantly than i would with a whip or a dragon scimitar, although there are accuracy issues i have yet to see them.

That might have to do with what you're killing. If something has a really low defense, then the difference between something that has 40 slash and something that has 60 slash is going to be very negligible and you probably won't notice it.

 

 

 

This is why slayer dart is so popular for barrows and why the myth originated (according to some barrows guide and some RSOF mod post). People kept hitting so hard on the brothers with dart while using metal armour that people thought that mage attack didn't affect at all. What really was happening was that the barrows brothers just had really really low magical defense and so the dart hit them even though the player was wearing low/negative magical attack armour.

That might have to do with what you're killing. If something has a really low defense, then the difference between something that has 40 slash and something that has 60 slash is going to be very negligible and you probably won't notice it.

 

 

 

This is why slayer dart is so popular for barrows and why the myth originated (according to some barrows guide and some RSOF mod post). People kept hitting so hard on the brothers with dart while using metal armour that people thought that mage attack didn't affect at all. What really was happening was that the barrows brothers just had really really low magical defense and so the dart hit them even though the player was wearing low/negative magical attack armour.

 

 

 

It is because the Melee barrows brothers have -magic defense, and 0 magic lvl

Yes...isn't that what I said?

Nice guide, but I still just can't believe that your numbers are right, #-o

Wow, this really changed my thoughts, I will use the sword for training my strength now actually.

You aren't even using any real argument to defend your point, so I don't see why I would keep arguing with you. The last thing I'll say to you is to actually really try and test it instead of just doing hypotesis. If you don't have anything to defend your point, stop posting, or I'll just stop bothering to answer you.

 

 

 

P.S. : The fact that I stop responding doesn't mean you are right in any point.

 

I believe you are referring to Inuashakent, and I believe Inu is correct. I don't see what you mean by not using any "real argument", because I don't know what a false argument is :? . You said the lowered accuracy is negligible and Inuashakent mentioned that they would have to have the defence of Chickens for that to be the case. While maybe not the best way to explain it, it is quite valid. Regardless of defence level, even on something as basic as a chicken, you will still hit less accurately. This being less noticeable on Chickens however. Most NPCs trained on and killed on a regular basis do not have such low defence, therefore making the loss in accuacy a noticeable loss. You mention theory and practice, please enlighten us to what theory this is? No theory can give you an accurate comparison unless you know the effects of each difference in question (how much the attack bonus makes a difference, same with defence bonuses). As for practice, fell free to show us the practice. Screenshots of max hits gives no indication. Performing tests is the only way.

 

 

 

I also don't see how the SS has alot of disadvantages. As for how you responded to the SS being more expensive, you answered that yourself. This applies in all cases really. Every item can always be resold, and hence it should never be seen as a "cost" unless it is never intended to be sold. It might be two-handed, but that doesn;t instantly make it bad. "Less damage" comes down to what context you are using. It is a lower max true, but it is higher accuracy. This accuracy outweighs the slightly lower max hit and as such results in more experience per hour. This means that per hour it is "more damage". The loss in shield slot is bad, but not in all cases. A Whip and Defender has more attack and Defence bonuses than the SS, but the SS does more damage per hour on gargoyles on the crush setting. Most people do not kill dragons on a regular basis, but yes it is a loss. The SS overall is in my opinion better than the TokTz-Xil-Ak.

 

 

 

You say you won't argue with Inu anymore on the basis of no real arguments. Inu has brought up valid questions and responses. The fact that you stop responding to valid points does give an indication that Inu is right. You keep saying in practice it is oh so good, and that is supposed to be 100% true. Show tests then. As has been said, this is less of a guide and more along the lines of simply telling people these items exists and hit this high.

 

 

 

Your are being hypocritical here also. You refuse to provide tests and hence have nothing to defend your point. Yet you also say that Inuashakent supposedly has nothing to defend his point. This is the same as you. I have performed a test, while only one, from it there was more experience per hour with a Dragon Scimitar the the TokTz-Xil-Ak.

 

 

 

Well here's a lot of evidence both supporting and refuting the fact that it IS better:

 

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=750480&hilit=zerker

 

 

 

Here's my consensus: If the monster is low-defense, then go with the Zerker combo. If it's high defense, take a SS, but it ALWAYS outperforms the D scim.

 

 

 

The simple reason is that if it's low defense, the higher hits will compensate for the few extra 0s. But if it's high defense, you'll just miss so much that it isn't worth it.

 

 

 

Btw there's evidence in that thread the Zerker combo (with the sword) is better than the D scim by 7k xp/hour. That was on Bloodvelds with dragonhides, no slayer task, warrior helm, zerker ring, no supersets, no prayer, etc. The exact conditions are in the thread. There's no exact number, but I've given you the exact situation, so you can test it easily.

 

 

 

Sorry if I'm sounding like a hypocrite by telling you to test it, but I'm currently f2p and therefore unable to test this myself.

 

 

I didn't crop it perfectly put .png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .jpg

 

 

 

:o that's my highest hit yet...

 

 

 

super potted from 81 strength, praying ultimate strength

 

 

 

:o that's my highest hit yet...

 

 

 

super potted from 81 strength, praying ultimate strength

 

Are you aware that high hits arn't always the best thing to have you have lower defence and lower accuracy using a berserker necklace.

 

 

 

:o that's my highest hit yet...

 

 

 

super potted from 81 strength, praying ultimate strength

 

Are you aware that high hits arn't always the best thing to have you have lower defence and lower accuracy using a berserker necklace.

 

And speed...