Wine and alchohol discussion

[Zierro]

I agree with Ginger. Every drinker that I know drinks for the feeling and not the taste. Even the adults in my family who are well over 30. I've never even heard of people drinking for the 'taste of alcohol' until I saw that this opinion was spread all over TIF.

 

 

 

Do they actually like the taste?

 

 

 

No, the drinkers I mentioned always complain about the taste and only drink for the effect. I didn't even know it was possible to enjoy the taste until I came across an alcohol topic on TIF.

 

 

 

I will say that some alcoholic beverages taste a lot better than others, but I think the idea of intoxication comes before the taste or else people who claim to drink without even caring about the effect would probably be drinking tasty non-alcoholic beverages instead. Unless of course you think alcohol tastes better than soda. If that is indeed the case then I guess it's something you can't understand until you finally get that acquired taste you guys talk about. Personally, I could never imagine the thought of anything tasting better than soda - especially not alcohol. :lol:

[warri0r45]

I agree with Ginger. Every drinker that I know drinks for the feeling and not the taste. Even the adults in my family who are well over 30. I've never even heard of people drinking for the 'taste of alcohol' until I saw that this opinion was spread all over TIF.

 

 

 

Do they actually like the taste?

 

 

 

No, the drinkers I mentioned always complain about the taste and only drink for the effect. I didn't even know it was possible to enjoy the taste until I came across an alcohol topic on TIF.

 

 

 

I suppose we can only argue with our respective experiences, but that's about the most bizzare thing I've ever heard. Ask any average guy/girl in any pub around Australia and I'm sure they'd say they like the taste of their drink.

[Toxic388]

I love the taste of beer and Jack&Coke. I drink not to get drunk but for the taste.

[Trip]

I drink every day and generally dont like the taste

[Tim]

I'm more of a red wine person, one of my favourites being Chateauneuf du Pape. My favourite beer is probably Guinness, but nothing beats the stuff which you get in the brewery in Dublin. Finally, my other favourite alcoholic drink is Rum & Coke, but only if it's proper Coca Cola, and preferably Mount Gay Rum.

 

 

 

On the other hand, I can't stand Gin & Tonic.

 

 

 

Unlike a lot of people I know, I don't enjoy being properly drunk at all, and that's without the hangover.

 

2 things:

 

Replace the Rum with Wild Turkey Wiskey and you get a High-Five. :

 

what IS Gin & Tonic? sounds like cough syrup to me. :|

 

 

 

i know for a fact ALL my friends who drink do it to get smashed (which is unfortunate), I on the other hand prefer taste over quantity, after all: sipp'n away on the good taste is better then chugging poison down ya' throat. :shame:

[Lateralus]

A gin & tonic is gin mixed with tonic water, usually served over ice. With a slice of cucumber in it it's one of the sharpest and most refreshing drinks I've ever tasted.

[nine naked men]

Gogogo Smirnoff Double Black Label Ice.

[Zibl]

[hide=Wine]Wine is good and it's also bad. I've had wines that I thought were stupidly delicious (Duplin Christmas Wine is a good example), but I've also had wines that I thought were just too tart for my likeings. I'm a much bigger fan of the sweeter red wines such as red muscadine. Not to say that's all I've ever drank and will ever drink. I'll try any wine that's put in front of my face. The best wine I've ever had was a bottle of 1967 Cabernet Sauvignon. Not really sure why, but I loved it.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Beer]I absolutely adore beer. For the most part. But being from the United States, I don't very much get the chance to try any exotic "home brewed" beer from places like Europe, Ireland, etc. As far as domestic beers go I'll drink anything but my top 3 favorites would have to be Coors Light, Bud Light, Busche Light. Don't get me wrong... I enjoy other beers. Natural (Natty) Light and Bud heavy (Budweiser) to name a couple. Not to mention Samuel Adam's has a wide assortment of different beers my favorite being Sam Adam's Summer Ale (with a nice orange slice :thumbsup: ). Budweiser is delicious but it's fattening as hell and makes me feel like I'm drinking cupcakes :lol: . I've also tried tons of micro-brewery beers and imports (Corona & Labatt Blue to drop a couple names). Miller Lite is terrible. Tastes like a nasty flavored water. But since I <3 drinking so much, I wouldn't dare turn my nose up if it's the only thing to drink.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Liquor (Spirites)]My pride and joy. I enjoy cracking an ice cold beer and watching some football (American football that is)... but I gotta say I am a "lets take a shot!" kind of guy at heart. I will drink any liquor that is put in my face, although I do not enjoy tequila unless it's done with a body shot :D . Mixed drinks are good and all, but nothing beats that sweet burn deep in your chest that slowly moves down to your stomach. Since I'm just a drunk and don't really care what it tastes like, I normally go for the dirt cheap liquors of Aristocrat (Vodka) and Gold Crown (Whiskey). I do, however, venture into the more "expensive" liquors once in a while with Captain Morgans (Rum), Southern Comfort (a very sweet type of Whiskey), and at times Grey Goose (Vodka).

 

 

 

The strongest liquor I've ever had is called Everclear. Its 95% alcohol (190 proof) and has warning's all over the bottle telling you that the consumption of the drink without a mixer can burn the lining of your esophagus :ohnoes: . I've had a straight shot of it before and even as a seasoned alcoholic it tore me up pretty bad. I live in North Carolina by the way and I know in some states you can't find it. As far as I know it is the strongest, LEGALLY store sold liquor on the market in the United States.[/hide]

 

 

 

There ya go.

[Azvareth]

I absolutely adore beer. For the most part. But being from the United States, I don't very much get the chance to try any exotic "home brewed" beer from places like Europe, Ireland, etc. As far as domestic beers go I'll drink anything but my top 3 favorites would have to be Coors Light, Bud Light, Busche Light. Don't get me wrong... I enjoy other beers. Natural (Natty) Light and Bud heavy (Budweiser) to name a couple. Not to mention Samuel Adam's has a wide assortment of different beers my favorite being Sam Adam's Summer Ale (with a nice orange slice :thumbsup: ). Budweiser is delicious but it's fattening as hell and makes me feel like I'm drinking cupcakes :lol: . I've also tried tons of micro-brewery beers and imports (Corona & Labatt Blue to drop a couple names). Miller Lite is terrible. Tastes like a nasty flavored water. But since I <3 drinking so much, I wouldn't dare turn my nose up if it's the only thing to drink.

 

 

 

Heh, sorry. I hate coming off as a pretentious [bleep], but you simply cannot say you adore beer and then namedrop some of the, if not the worst beers ever made. :) I used to think Sam Adam's was alright, but that's before I knew they serve it with orange slices. What the hell, America (and Mexico).

[Lenticular_J]

SoCo is a sweet whiskey? What the hell? I thought it was more sour than Jack...

[venomai]

I frequently drink for taste alone -- beer and wine at dinner is not uncommon in my family. A cold Canadian or European beer is probably one of my favourite beverages.

 

 

 

Something tells me, maybe common sense, that the vast majority of people on a night out in town will not give a flying hoot about whether their drinks taste pleasant. It's not why they're out in the first place.

 

Bars host a wide selection of alcoholic drinks for a reason. Most people aren't choosing their drink on the basis of eeny-meeny-miny-moe. ;)

 

 

 

For most who are somewhat experienced with alcohol, taste is an important factor even when drinking to get drunk. This is the primary reason why people are drinking 10 pints of Stella over, say, buck-a-beers or box wine. Stella is delicious but also expensive.

 

 

 

And if we're talking about those who take a glass of wine or two a night to relieve the everyday stress of working life, they're probably even worse when it comes to alcoholism than the aforementioned group of binge-drinkers.

 

While I agree that self-medicating stress with a drink or two is not a good thing, how can it be worse than self-medicating your stress with several drinks over the same period of time?

 

 

 

I used to think Sam Adam's was alright, but that's before I knew they serve it with orange slices.

 

What's wrong with orange slices? I've had Sleeman Cream Ale served to me with orange. It's a great Canadian beer and the orange adds a nice touch (just like lime with coke). I agree with your earlier statement, though.

 

 

 

"I've also tried tons of micro-brewery beers and imports (Corona & Labatt Blue to drop a couple names)."

 

:lol:

[angryjoe]

Coors Light is ace, cheapest pint at my local bar and the bottles are pretty reasonable priced at the supermarket. Other than that I usually go for Becks as far a beer is concerned.

 

 

 

Also it is quite daft (no offence) to say people don't drink for the taste, take Liqueurs as an example, they taste so so nice. Limoncello is one of the nicest drinks ever. I think I will find a bottle for my mum's birthday (as long as they dont sell it in supermarkets, which would make it quite a crap present whereas if I order it off the internet it will seem like I have gone to great lengths to get it :mrgreen: )

[Azvareth]

I used to think Sam Adam's was alright, but that's before I knew they serve it with orange slices.

 

What's wrong with orange slices? I've had Sleeman Cream Ale served to me with orange. It's a great Canadian beer and the orange adds a nice touch (just like lime with coke). I agree with your earlier statement, though.

 

 

 

Haha, I don't know, it's just a silly and (probably) groundless belief I have, that if you need to add fruit in order to make your beer taste good, then something is off. Same with having a lime slice with Corona. That's not to say fruit doesn't add a refreshing touch to the beverage, it probably does, but in that case why not drink a cider or a G&T or P2 instead.

[Zierro]

While I agree that self-medicating stress with a drink or two is not a good thing, how can it be worse than self-medicating your stress with several drinks over the same period of time?

 

 

 

I don't think he meant people who self-medicate their stress everyday when he said "binge drinkers". Those are your partiers who drink in aims to have a night-to[-not]-remember, not in aims to calm their nerves and chill out which can be done naturally instead. I guess you can argue that partying could be a form of self-medicating your stress though.

[Zibl]

Heh, sorry. I hate coming off as a pretentious [bleep], but you simply cannot say you adore beer and then namedrop some of the, if not the worst beers ever made. :) I used to think Sam Adam's was alright, but that's before I knew they serve it with orange slices.

 

 

 

Eh, no biggie. I was expecting almost this exact reply :D . Being a 20 year old sophomore in college who lives in North Carolina (United States), the beers I named are considered "the best". It's very different than it is in other countries [as I kiiind of tried saying in my original post]. The top 5 beers consumed in the United States is Budweiser, Bud Light, Coors Light, Natural Light, and Miller Lite... I believe in that exact order. Corona/Corona Extra is the #1 imported beer (it's from Mexico). So you see, all these beers that you might have "at your local pub" we don't have over here in the United States. Or if we do have a random "pub" that serves beer like you're probably used to drinking, it's FAR from common for tons of people to visit them. And for the record, there are a lot of beers that pair up deliciously with fruit. Corona & Lime, Sam Adam's Summer Ale & Orange... to name a couple.

 

 

 

SoCo is a sweet whiskey? What the hell? I thought it was more sour than Jack...

 

 

 

Oh goodness no. A common misconception in the world of alcohol is that Southern Comfort is a bourbon. Even my local grocery store has Southern Comfort sitting next to Jack Daniels. In actuality, Southern Comfort is classified as a liquer (though it "starts as" a bourbon in production). Which is why unlike a lot of liquers SoCo holds it's high alcohol content [ 40%/80 proof and also can be purchased in 50%/100 proof]. Although the real hardcore lovers of Southern Comfort would probably disagree, and claim I am clearly oversimplifying the complex tastes, I say Southern Comfort tastes a lot like bourbon mixed with triple sec.

 

 

 

One of my favorite "sipping" liquor drinks is 1 part SoCo, 3 parts water. It also mixes well with some fruit juices for those fans of the sweet drinks.

[venomai]

While I agree that self-medicating stress with a drink or two is not a good thing, how can it be worse than self-medicating your stress with several drinks over the same period of time?

 

 

 

I don't think he meant people who self-medicate their stress everyday when he said "binge drinkers". Those are your partiers who drink in aims to have a night-to[-not]-remember, not in aims to calm their nerves and chill out which can be done naturally instead. I guess you can argue that partying could be a form of self-medicating your stress though.

 

And aiming to black out by overdosing on alcohol is much better? I'm not sure I see Ginger's logic. Binge drinking and self-medicating with alcohol are both "bad habits" that have the potential to create problems in the long-run, but a drink or two a day is actually benefitial to your health and longevity, whereas frequent binge drinking is not.

[Zierro]

I think it's the mentality of it rather than the physical outcomes. I want a drink because it will fix my daily problems VS I want a drink because it will make this party more fun.

 

 

 

Yes, binge drinking takes a much worse toll on your body but what about state of mind? If you ask me, drinking to get rid of problems is worse than drinking to have fun - unless you count trying to have fun as a daily stress problem.

 

 

 

but a drink or two a day is actually benefitial to your health and longevity

 

 

 

Is that so? I'd be interested in seeing a link. :)

[BlueLancer]

 

but a drink or two a day is actually benefitial to your health and longevity

 

 

 

Is that so? I'd be interested in seeing a link. :)

 

 

 

He's right, it's actually a drink or two a day of wine that can be beneficial to your health, but nonetheless

 

 

 

http://www.ynhh.org/online/nutrition/ad ... _wine.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are the health benefits of drinking red wine?

 

For over 10 years, research has indicated that moderate intake of alcohol improves cardiovascular health. In fact, in 1992 Harvard researchers included moderate alcohol consumption as one of the "eight proven ways to reduce coronary heart disease risk."

 

 

 

However, research has suggested that specifically red wine is the most beneficial to your heart health. The cardioprotective effect has been attributed to antioxidants present in the skin and seeds of red grapes.

 

 

 

Due to the high amount of flavonoids it's very healthy for the heart especially. I don't have a habit of drinking wine at all, but it definitely makes sense to drink it in moderate amounts.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I think it's the mentality of it rather than the physical outcomes. I want a drink because it will fix my daily problems VS I want a drink because it will make this party more fun.

 

 

 

Yes, binge drinking takes a much worse toll on your body but what about state of mind? If you ask me, drinking to get rid of problems is worse than drinking to have fun - unless you count trying to have fun as a daily stress problem.

 

You've pretty much summed it up.

 

 

 

What it's about is dependency. Someone who drinks two glasses of wine a day to relieve stress is doing so because they need that consumption of alcohol. Me going to a party once every two months and getting drunk is not a need, it's a desire. Just as easily, I can turn round and say, "No, I'm having pop".

 

 

 

I am in control of the alcohol, rather than the other way round.

[venomai]

What it's about is dependency. Someone who drinks two glasses of wine a day to relieve stress is doing so because they need that consumption of alcohol. Me going to a party once every two months and getting drunk is not a need, it's a desire. Just as easily, I can turn round and say, "No, I'm having pop".

 

Those drinking a couple glasses a day would say the same about their habit. It is a desire to them, not a need. They desire a beer to reduce their stress just as you desire a beer to increase fun.

 

 

 

Both are habitual activities that may or may not include a "psychological dependence." I know some people who show irritability, stress and other 'withdrawal symptoms' after abstaining from getting drunk/high over the week.

 

 

 

Is that so? I'd be interested in seeing a link.

 

Here is another link with plenty of info:

 

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/AlcoholAndHealth.html

 

 

 

This goes for all types of alcohol, but wine in particular (red and white).[1]

[Zierro]

I know some people who show irritability, stress and other 'withdrawal symptoms' after abstaining from getting drunk/high over the week.

 

 

 

Yes, I've seen it too. But all drinkers who drink for the sole purpose of relieving everyday stress will be going through "withdrawal symptoms" since they will be experiencing that stress without their alcohol. The worst you could say about all partiers is that they'll be bummed out that they didn't get to party. I don't see how this makes them equal in terms of dependency... Besides, I don't know about you, but I never met anyone who binge-drinks every single night anyways.

[venomai]

But all drinkers who drink for the sole purpose of relieving everyday stress will be going through "withdrawal symptoms" since they will be experiencing that stress without their alcohol.

 

Since this stress is something which existed prior to the person's alcohol use, it would not be considered a withdrawal symptom if it were to appear after discontinuation of the habit.

 

 

 

And binge-drinking does not need daily in order to be harmful.

[Zierro]

Since this stress is something which existed prior to the person's alcohol use, it would not be considered a withdrawal symptom if it were to appear after discontinuation of the habit.

 

 

 

I guess so, but the idea of having stress just because you couldn't get a drink doesn't sound psychologically healthy to me. Also, being bored because you couldn't get a drink doesn't sound nearly as bad.

 

 

 

And binge-drinking does not need daily in order to be harmful.

 

 

 

Physically harmful, that is.

[opu]

Wine bad.

 

Beer good.

 

Vodka Win.

 

 

 

That pretty much sums it up for me.

 

 

 

 

 

Hahah, thats so true..

 

 

 

I cant stand the taste of any wine, theres only 1 white wine that i can say is good, its called El Tiempo, very cheap but yet so tasty, fruity mmmmmmm

[Allbot]

Wine bad.

 

Beer good.

 

Vodka Win.

 

 

 

That pretty much sums it up for me.

 

 

 

 

 

Hahah, thats so true..

 

 

 

I cant stand the taste of any wine, theres only 1 white wine that i can say is good, its called El Tiempo, very cheap but yet so tasty, fruity mmmmmmm

 

lol same here, most wines are too bitter for me, although my friends and i dont really drink that much wine. beer is more of an aquired taste its ok but vodka is definitly better. Smirnoff green apple takes the cake for me, and x-rated :thumbsup: