Dragon scimi Versus Dragon long

[eias]

Hello guys,i was wondering,why does nobody uses dragon longsword when it comes to,for an example,training strength?(disregard godswords)

 

I've gone through the Tip.it Items database,and found that the dragon longsword has better stats than the scimi,as well as higher strength bonus,

 

 

 

These are the stats for a Scimi:

 

 

 

STAT BONUSES

 

Attack Defence

 

Stab 8 Stab 0

 

Slash 67 Slash 1

 

Crush -2 Crush 0

 

Magic 0 Magic 0

 

Range 0 Range 0

 

Other

 

Strength 66 Prayer 0

 

 

 

 

 

These are the stats for a Longsword:

 

 

 

STAT BONUSES

 

Attack Defence

 

Stab 58 Stab 0

 

Slash 69 Slash 3

 

Crush -2 Crush 2

 

Magic 0 Magic 0

 

Range 0 Range 0

 

Other

 

Strength 71 Prayer 0

 

 

 

As you can see,longsword is better for training,yet people use the scimi?

[Poopingman]

Speed, my friend. Speed.

[MrM0n]

I bring a dragon long with me on every task. But just for the spec. The d scim and whip specs are useless on npcs.

[lcchs]

the only use for a d long for higher lvs is probably meleeing mith drags

[purewcnub]

I have compared training with Dragon Scimitar to Dragon Longsword and I got more exp with the longsword...

[xlippsx]

It's hard to believe no one has ever brought up this debate on these forums [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

D scim

 

speed is ftw, dlong is just old skool

[Ravenkana]

I bring a dragon long with me on every task. But just for the spec. The d scim and whip specs are useless on npcs.

Why not bring a DDS instead?

[Toad]

i take dds + whip, scim is irrelevant these days, people would rather use a SS or GS.

 

 

 

for sake of this discussion and you only have 100k, i would bet on scim, dlong if monkey madness is too.. hard? heh.

[Poopingman]

Monkey Madness scares the crap (pun intended) out of me.

[bronzewarrior]

Monkey Madness scares the crap (pun intended) out of me.

 

 

 

:lol: :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

anyway, I might try out the dlong now. I have seen my friend pk with it; hitting 40+ on noobs.

[ydrasil]

There is a thread exactly like this in the Debate Club forum. There isn't really any discussion value here in my opinion.

[Pinkbullet3]

There is a thread exactly like this in the Debate Club forum. There isn't really any discussion value here in my opinion.

 

:roll:

[llamster]

Dragon scimitar > Dragon long except for metal dragons. I don't know why there's a debate about it. It's quite obvious; the stat advantage of the longsword is very small and the scimitar is 20% faster.

[compfreak847]

I have compared training with Dragon Scimitar to Dragon Longsword and I got more exp with the longsword...

 

Then you didn't test it very accuratly.

 

 

 

Bottom line:

 

Dragon scimitar has been tested thousands of times in hundreds of different places, and has been conclusively proven to deal more damage per minute then the d long. DD++ spec requires the same quest and is cheaper then the d long yet far outdoes it. End of argument.

[Great_one]

i would rather hit more often and harder than faster...but thats just me...

[compfreak847]

i would rather hit more often and harder than faster...but thats just me...

 

Ok, but your going to do less damage and get less XP and drops. Most RS players would rather get faster XP\drops then hit more often and harder.

[Yomyth105]

We have many topics like this and one active in the rants section. is there really a need to make another one?

[Great_one]

i would rather hit more often and harder than faster...but thats just me...

 

Ok, but your going to do less damage and get less XP and drops. Most RS players would rather get faster XP\drops then hit more often and harder.

 

its a phycalogical thing though, if it seems that i am doing very little damage i start waning to train less and less, but if i see myslef doing 30's i will be like "wow cool this is fun! i shold do it more" ...see my point

[bronzewarrior]

i prefer dds to dlong specials.

 

 

 

With full void/fury/zerker/dboots/defender 78 att/85 str (combat potted).

 

 

 

I can rip through 90 defence easily.

 

 

 

dclaws are trash :roll: ...

 

 

 

I haven't tested the dlong vs. the dscim training wise though.

 

 

 

dlong's special isn't super accurate in my opinion. I have only used the special like 16 times though :wall: .

[compfreak847]

i would rather hit more often and harder than faster...but thats just me...

 

Ok, but your going to do less damage and get less XP and drops. Most RS players would rather get faster XP\drops then hit more often and harder.

 

its a phycalogical thing though, if it seems that i am doing very little damage i start waning to train less and less, but if i see myslef doing 30's i will be like "wow cool this is fun! i shold do it more" ...see my point

 

Not really, a quick glance at the XP\hour will show that your getting significantly less XP, something that usually turns off most people.

 

 

 

i prefer dds to dlong specials.

 

 

 

With full void/fury/zerker/dboots/defender 78 att/85 str (combat potted).

 

 

 

I can rip through 90 defence easily.

 

 

 

dclaws are trash :roll: ...

 

Yes, dds is far superior to d long. D claws is far better then them and significantly better then AGS, though.

[3hitm4g3u]

The D long hits +1 harder then dragon scim, and has a few points of extra accuracy (basically equivalent to wearing a warriors ring with d scim).

 

 

 

Not worth the slowness.

[bronzewarrior]

i would rather hit more often and harder than faster...but thats just me...

 

Ok, but your going to do less damage and get less XP and drops. Most RS players would rather get faster XP\drops then hit more often and harder.

 

its a phycalogical thing though, if it seems that i am doing very little damage i start waning to train less and less, but if i see myslef doing 30's i will be like "wow cool this is fun! i shold do it more" ...see my point

 

Not really, a quick glance at the XP\hour will show that your getting significantly less XP, something that usually turns off most people.

 

 

 

i prefer dds to dlong specials.

 

 

 

With full void/fury/zerker/dboots/defender 78 att/85 str (combat potted).

 

 

 

I can rip through 90 defence easily.

 

 

 

dclaws are trash :roll: ...

 

Yes, dds is far superior to d long. D claws is far better then them and significantly better then AGS, though.

 

claws aren't that great, brunokiller can own people with his blitz/ags madness. I have seen plenty of specials to know that it is overrated. a cheap dds can easily do high damage. gmauls can do high damage.

[compfreak847]

i would rather hit more often and harder than faster...but thats just me...

 

Ok, but your going to do less damage and get less XP and drops. Most RS players would rather get faster XP\drops then hit more often and harder.

 

its a phycalogical thing though, if it seems that i am doing very little damage i start waning to train less and less, but if i see myslef doing 30's i will be like "wow cool this is fun! i shold do it more" ...see my point

 

Not really, a quick glance at the XP\hour will show that your getting significantly less XP, something that usually turns off most people.

 

 

 

i prefer dds to dlong specials.

 

 

 

With full void/fury/zerker/dboots/defender 78 att/85 str (combat potted).

 

 

 

I can rip through 90 defence easily.

 

 

 

dclaws are trash :roll: ...

 

Yes, dds is far superior to d long. D claws is far better then them and significantly better then AGS, though.

 

claws aren't that great, brunokiller can own people with his blitz/ags madness. I have seen plenty of specials to know that it is overrated. a cheap dds can easily do high damage. gmauls can do high damage.

 

I've done 16 hours with claws, or about 600 specs, and at least 8 times that with AGS. I've spent literally dozens of hours with blitz\ags spec combos. D claws are superior to AGS; they are more accurate, have a higher max (and thus a higher average hit), and hit twice as fast.

[Silver_Corner]

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i would rather hit more often and harder than faster...but thats just me...

 

Ok, but your going to do less damage and get less XP and drops. Most RS players would rather get faster XP\drops then hit more often and harder.

 

its a phycalogical thing though, if it seems that i am doing very little damage i start waning to train less and less, but if i see myslef doing 30's i will be like "wow cool this is fun! i shold do it more" ...see my point

 

Not really, a quick glance at the XP\hour will show that your getting significantly less XP, something that usually turns off most people.

 

 

 

i prefer dds to dlong specials.

 

 

 

With full void/fury/zerker/dboots/defender 78 att/85 str (combat potted).

 

 

 

I can rip through 90 defence easily.

 

 

 

dclaws are trash :roll: ...

 

Yes, dds is far superior to d long. D claws is far better then them and significantly better then AGS, though.

 

claws aren't that great, brunokiller can own people with his blitz/ags madness. I have seen plenty of specials to know that it is overrated. a cheap dds can easily do high damage. gmauls can do high damage.

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I've done 16 hours with claws, or about 600 specs, and at least 8 times that with AGS. I've spent literally dozens of hours with blitz\ags spec combos. D claws are superior to AGS; they are more accurate, have a higher max (and thus a higher average hit), and hit twice as fast.

 

 

 

But did you test them before, or after they were nerfed? Because their accuracy is not what it used to be when they came out. There is a reason people are trying to sell them with party hats to get rid of them you know..

 

 

 

On topic:

 

 

 

Ignoring any weapons aside from the scim and long and negating specials, scim is going to be faster on a xp/hr, but PvP a long is going to be a better option. The dragon long special doesn't always do major damage, but when it does, it hurts. Ive seen them hit 40+ before, and they can prove to be useful in certain situations. Scim spec is ALMOST uselss in PvP, and PvP ko's are pretty much all about specials(Unless you have a godsword of course).

 

 

 

Of course whip and dds reign supreme, but the OP didnt include those, so they arnt really part of the discussion.

[Ravies]

The Scimmy Should Be Stronger Cause You Have To Do Monkey Maddness Which Is 100x Harder Than Lost City