Final Fantasy Discussion thread

[Kiriyama]

[hide=Midgar]Okay, it beings in Midgar with an attack on a Mako reactor. It gets blown up.

 

 

 

While escaping, Cloud see Aerith for the first time, anyway, you continue to run, and end up back at 7th Heaven (AVALANCHE HQ).

 

 

 

On the next raid, due to a mistake by Jessie, they get caught on the train and have to escape, they do, and go to attack the reactor. All is going well, when they get stopped just outside after setting up the bomb. Cloud falls, and crashes into Aerith's flowerbed in the Church. She hires him as a bodyguard. They escape the Turks and Aerith gets home.

 

 

 

Cloud is told by Aerith's adoptive mother to leave without her. He does. However, on the way to Sector 7, Aerith catches up to him, he is left with no choice by to let her accompany him. At the park, we see Tifa taken away in a carriage, where Cloud goes to save her, with Aerith's help.

 

 

 

Basically, they infiltrate the mansion, with a little crossdressing from Cloud, and catch p with Tifa. Upon some interrogation, they find out something about Shinra, and are dropped through a trapdoor into a sewer.

 

 

 

Blah Blah nothing important here.

 

 

 

Back at Sector 7, they warn of Shinra's plan to drop the upper city part onto the Slums, since they know AVALANCHE's HQ is there. In an attempt to save it, Biggs, Jessie and Wedge are dead, with Cloud and Tifa meeting Barret up at the top.

 

 

 

They, inadvertedly, set off the bomb, and Aerith, alongside Marlene is captured.

 

 

 

During an attempt to save Aerith, they meet Red XII (Nanaki), and find Jenova has escaped. When they reach the president, following the blood. They find him dead, with Sephiroth's Masamune in him.

 

 

 

Aerith, Barret, Tifa and Red XII go ahead, while Cloud goes after Rufus.

 

 

 

Rufus escapes on a helicopter, and Cloud and Co have to escape. Motorcycle highway battle.

 

 

 

In the end, they end up outside Midgar, and are unable to go back in.

 

 

 

This is a detailed summary of the Midgar portion.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Kalm and the Nibelheim incident]So the last portion dealt with Midgar, they then move onto Kalm.

 

 

 

In the Inn, Cloud tells his story of Sephiroth.

 

 

 

It beings in Kalm, Cloud tell his story in the Inn there. The story starts on the way to Nibelheim, 5 years ago. A rather energetic Cloud, on his first mission as a First Class SOLDIER is riding in the back of a truck, with Sephiroth and two Shinra Grunts. Of course, this is wrong, Zack is the First Class, and Cloud is one of the Grunts. Tifa knows Cloud was not there (well, he was but she didn't see him)

 

 

 

Anyway, for the fun of it, in the flashback, you can visit Cloud's house, where he has a conversation, rather broken, with his mother, go to Tifa's house and read her letter, play the piano, and look through her drawers.

 

 

 

So the main part, they spend the night in an Inn, Sephiroth at some point goes to Shinra Mansion where he learns of how he was created from the Jenova cells being injected into his mother's womb, while he was a fetus (Mother is Lucrecia). Of course, he continues on with the mission, and takes a picture with Cloud (Zack), Tifa and himself, for one of the residents there. When they get to the reactor, Cloud (the grunt) keeps Tifa out of it, and Cloud (Zack) goes in with Sephiroth. Sephiroth then sees the humans being given extreme amounts of Mako energy, and turning them into monsters. Knowing he was exposed to Mako Energy too, he begins to question himself (am I a monster).

 

 

 

Anyway, they pretty much leave etc... Sephiroth ahead, and he ends up burning down Nibelhiem. Cloud (Zack) and Cloud (Grunt) end up back at the reactor, following Sephiroth. Tifa is already there, mourning her father, killed by Sephiroth. She takes his Masamune, and goes after him, this does not go well, and she ends up being attacked with it. Cloud (Zack) moves her slightly against a Reactor, and goes after Sephiroth, since it is from how Cloud knows it, he sees Sephiroth take the casing off of Jenova, and well, is injured.

 

 

 

Now, I am going to skip ahead of the story a bit and tell the next part. Cloud (Grunt) takes off his helm and takes the Buster Sword. He then impales Sephiroth with it, and is in turn, stabbed with the Masamune. Sephiroth walks away, Cloud, not fully dead, then goes after Sephiroth and finally "kills" him, when Sephiroth is thrown into the pool of Mako Energy, with a damaging wound.[/hide]

 

 

 

Life Mage, as your suggestion, I have added hide tags, and I've put the next part up.

 

 

 

[hide=Junon]Okay, I'll gloss over slightly what happens after Kalm.

 

 

 

You take a Chocobo over the Marshes to avoid the Midgar Zolom, when you reach the cave, you see it impaled upon a tree, only Sephiroth could have done this. At the end of the cave you run into the Turks, and, before anything happens, they have to leave. Nothing major said here really.

 

 

 

So at Junon, the goal is to infiltrate the Shinra city up top. First, Cloud and Co save a girl, who has been attacked by a monster (which they witness, and kick its arse.) Cloud performs CPR and she provides a way up top, by jumping with a Dolphin. Anyway, Cloud gets in and is mistaken for a Shinra Grunt out of uniform. He's made to perform in a parade, and at the end, entertain Rufus Shinra infront of the boat.

 

 

 

Anyway, Rufus gets on, and they all bugger off, letting Cloud and Co board the boat. On the boat, you talk to the party and such, and the player wonders how stupid they can be not to notice Nanaki's tail. Anyway, when Cloud finds Barret, they see Rufus and Heidiegger (spelling?) talking, I can't remember the conversation, but Barret is getting annoyed. The alarm goes off. Barret thinks they have been found, but there is an announcement of a Black Cloaked Man (Sephiroth), you form a party, and find nothing in the engine room, there you are ambush by Sephiroth, well sort of, it's more his will and Jenova. You have to fight, and beat Jenova here. Once that's done, the boat continues on to its destination, Costa del Sol, where you can see Hojo, witness an interesting scene with Barret, or stare at chicks in bikinis, if your are like that, and see a scene with Tifa and some guy. Basically, you spend the night at the Inn, and then set out for Mt Corel (I do not remember exact spelling.)[/hide]

 

 

 

This is my last addition for tonight, tomorrow I will continue as far as I can from where I have left off.

[Nenga]

Wanna use hide tags there Sword?

 

 

 

Since you seem to be doing a good job of the plot I can let you take it. I'll fill in any major holes I see with yours.

 

 

 

1. Cloud takes the role of Zack when he tells his stories (very important detail)

[Zierro]

I took care of Yiazmat. Those last few bars were a nightmare. :( Glad that crap's over with. Now I'm gonna get those last 3 Sky Pirate Den things.

 

 

 

Edit: Got Old Dalan's Den. Now I just need the concurrence one and the bestiary one. Trying to get Black Hole is driving me insane. :-X I hate luck based achievements.

[Star.]

1. Cloud takes the role of Zack when he tells his stories (very important detail)

 

Wouldn't it be better to add that part as a surprise like it was for those who played it.

[Nenga]

1. Cloud takes the role of Zack when he tells his stories (very important detail)

 

Wouldn't it be better to add that part as a surprise like it was for those who played it.

 

Well he played Crisis Core first so he probably would have figured that out already if he was playing it. If not he would have atleast got it by Kalm.

[Dax]

Woot!

 

 

 

Main team are all Level 70 and backups are 49, going to get to 50 and take on Fafnir again. Do I get any new marks after Fafnir dies? :anxious:

 

 

 

And why are the windmills not breaking the yellow bottle, I have them all right, but my bottle wont break... (this is for that Matamune thingy, by the way) Do I need to unlock the third fishing location first/talk to someone?

[Kiriyama]

Started playing Crisis Core again.

 

 

 

Currently at Modeoheim and got horribly raped by Angeal twice. So I'm stuck attempting to level on missions so he doesn't 1 hit me.

 

 

 

Though as a bonus, twice yesterday I got 2 levels in two rolls.

 

 

 

Though the game has a way of annoying me. I keep getting stuff on the DMW when I don't need. Multiple times I've got 3 of someone just to deal the last hit when it stops. Once I even got the Summons DMW when I was about to get Aerith (meaning I would have doubled my HP to over 3k cause I had already broken the limit).

 

 

 

Anyway, it's a fun game, though it's a fan of overkill too much. I never get the DMW to activate on harder monsters, yet on weaker ones, I'll get Lvl 5 Apocolypses, Cloud (forgot the name for his), Omnislashes, Angeal (again, forgot name) and Air Strikes.

 

 

 

Though my main problem is with some monsters, as long as you get the hit in, they'll mostly flinch and never get a hit in.

 

 

 

Another problem is how easy spells are to dodge. I've had Thunder spells go over my head, Blizzard spells, well, if you get hit by one, you're hopeless and Fire spells, well, they're the most troublesome to dodge.

 

 

 

I'd have liked a balance somewhere between Fire and Blizzard spells, where you can dodge, but it takes some effort. Though, I feel that the CPU could do a better job of dodging, and not turning around letting me get 3+ hits into their back, killing normal monsters, and dealing some good damage against the harder ones.

 

 

 

EDIT: Anyone mind telling me how Pheniox Downs work on this, and some tips for Angeal in the Bathhouse?

[Nenga]

Cloud does Meteor shots, it's also his last limit break before omnislash I believe. Phoenix downs give you the auto life ability (I got real familiar with them during the Minerva fight). As for Angeal, regular attacks to his side and just dodge well and heal. And that's side, not back. He has a special attack for you if you go around to his back. The first time I fought him I had to train too.

 

 

 

Right now i'm letting my secondary party train up (too lazy to do it myself). I think 30-50 should be good enough. Today I fight Yiazmat, then I go after the last two espers I need, finish the sky pirates den and Finish the ingame bestiary, oh and obliterate Vanye because he is going to be really easy. Beat the hell wyrm yesterday. Annoying but manageable, like always.

[Kiriyama]

Got it done. Thanks for the advice.

 

 

 

I had the idea of using something which cancels out Lightning based attacks, hoping I could attack him from the back without getting raped.

 

 

 

Anyway, I spent most of it in critical, and I finished him off with a Lv. 4 Rush Assault while in Critical. Didn't need to use the Pheniox Down, but I did to be safe, since he used to rape me with his Judgement attack, though it was only doing 1.7k damage. My main problem was if I was near him, he'd follow up with an attack to finish me, or I got killed when attacking from behind.

[Zierro]

I got the highest Clan Rank in FF12 today - Order of Ambrosia. :mrgreen: Those rares took me forever to hunt down but I finally did it. Now everyone in my main party is level 99 and everyone else is 90+.

 

 

 

Things that are still on my to-do list: Get everyone to level 99, get every piece of equipment, finish the bestiary by getting all the extra pages, and do the 100 tier race then I'll have a perfect game... unless you count getting the maximum amount of everything but that's just overkill. I don't have 10 years at my expense to get 99 Danjuros. :lol: I don't even have one yet.

[Nenga]

Congratulations. I'm on Yiazmat right now and i'm taking my time. (that's a lie, his defense is killing me and it's taking me awhile to burn through it) I'll have it done soon since I have him a little under halfway. I should try doing him in one run though. Too bad he's not like the hell wyrm who was very generous with his invert attack and gave me mp when I needed it.

 

 

 

So basically nothing new with Yiazmat. Still hard to beat, still uses cyclone, still kills a fully bubbled character within five attacks :wall:

 

 

 

Oh and I have a spare dragon whisker if you need one.

[Zierro]

Yeah his defense was ridiculous for the amount of HP he had. And it gets to a point where buffing your characters (even bubble) is just a waste because almost everyone dies within one attack anyways. The Reverse spell was pretty useful, although it goes away way too quickly. I thought Omega was much easier than Yiaz.

 

 

 

I'm trying to get Danjuro. Been trying for two days straight and no luck. I saw a video of someone with 99... Why the hell do I have the worst luck with video games? I thought my bad luck was only present in RS but apparently it is for this game too. :|

[Nenga]

I turned off my buff gambits and my healing except for arise or else my characters are so busy healing they can't get in any damage. Traded in my Hermes sandals for bubble belts on all my characters and put the Hermes sandals on my secondary party because if I use them it's my main party dieing and running out while reviving my main party, so haste helps. Six full bars left and about 95% of the 7th. I had only store bought ninja swords so I took a break to get some others. Fran has the koga blade (equipped the weakest one i'm using on my strongest character), Ashe has the Orochi because i'm too lazy to going for the best ninja sword, Vaan has the Antres with the dark shot. They all have Renewing Morions which takes care of sap and then my melee fighters use the Maximillian or the windbreaker. I'm sure I don't need to tell you the use of the windbreaker. I was using Mirage Vests until he used growing threat. My characters usually survive about three hits before they are dead assuming his attacks don't inflict death.

[Zierro]

After nearly 20 hours of spawning Larva Eater, I finally got a Danjuro! \ \ Now I can finally leave this damn crystal forever.

 

 

 

Now off to collect those last 20 pieces of equipment I need.

[Nenga]

Beat Yiazmat yesterday. Going through hunting down monsters for my bestiary so when I get my last two espers then i'll complete my den at the same time. (after I assign them to people.)

[baalboy5]

Im on the Wyvern Lord. That big green thing that casts all those status effects.

 

 

 

Got him to 1/8th hp before I ran out of mp/items to get rid those status effects ;-;

[Kiriyama]

Haven't played FFXII much, but Baal, isn't there an item you could obtain that gives a Ribbon-like status? (Immunity from all negative Status Effects)

 

 

 

So you could try to obtain multiple if there is such items, it would help greatly.

[Nenga]

Haven't played FFXII much, but Baal, isn't there an item you could obtain that gives a Ribbon-like status? (Immunity from all negative Status Effects)

 

 

 

So you could try to obtain multiple if there is such items, it would help greatly.

 

It's called a ribbon. Last slot on the accessory side of the license grid. Never used it.

[Kiriyama]

Wasn't too sure if it would still be called that.

 

 

 

Plus it was only a suggestion to deal with Status effects.

[Nenga]

Most normal monsters inflict about one or two status effects only except for a malboro or the undead enemies. So it is generally easy to protect against it. I killed the wyvern lord too fast to even have to worry about the status effects. About that point in the game I made sure everyone on my main party could use a ranged weapon so he went down fast.

[baalboy5]

Haven't played FFXII much, but Baal, isn't there an item you could obtain that gives a Ribbon-like status? (Immunity from all negative Status Effects)

 

 

 

So you could try to obtain multiple if there is such items, it would help greatly.

 

 

 

Yeah but there no way I can obtian it so early in the game.

[Nenga]

Haven't played FFXII much, but Baal, isn't there an item you could obtain that gives a Ribbon-like status? (Immunity from all negative Status Effects)

 

 

 

So you could try to obtain multiple if there is such items, it would help greatly.

 

 

 

Yeah but there no way I can obtian it so early in the game.

 

Still that early in the game statuses shouldn't really be a problem. He only inflicts petrify right? Until I got to Yiazmat I never even bothered to heal that while I was in battle. Of Course you are not me, and if you want advice on it i'd at least need a rough idea of your parties levels, weapons, and any guests you have. Depending where you are in the story there are a few good places to get loot for gil.

[baalboy5]

Haven't played FFXII much, but Baal, isn't there an item you could obtain that gives a Ribbon-like status? (Immunity from all negative Status Effects)

 

 

 

So you could try to obtain multiple if there is such items, it would help greatly.

 

 

 

Yeah but there no way I can obtian it so early in the game.

 

Still that early in the game statuses shouldn't really be a problem. He only inflicts petrify right? Until I got to Yiazmat I never even bothered to heal that while I was in battle. Of Course you are not me, and if you want advice on it i'd at least need a rough idea of your parties levels, weapons, and any guests you have. Depending where you are in the story there are a few good places to get loot for gil.

 

 

 

Im on the elder wyverm. He uses a spore special attack that can inflict sap, oil, blind, slow, confusion ect...

 

 

 

Cba to list characters and such. I just need to get lucky.

[Shyla]

Wow you guys are good, I can't even defeat Ixion so I'll probably never defeat Yiazmat.

[Kiriyama]

Do you mean the Elder Wyrm in Golmore Jungle? Cause I can't find an Elder Wyvern. And there is no mention of the Wyvern Lord inflicting status effects.

 

 

 

Anyway, I'll hide short guides for both instead of coming back later.

 

 

 

[hide=Wyvern Lord (mark)]Make sure you have at least 2 character that can use ranged weapons in the party. Clear out any other monsters nearby before going for the mark.The Wyvern Lord can be found hovering at the top of the bluff. It will cast Aero and Gust, so having Windbreakers equipped is a big help. Try casting sleep on it, then hit it with other Magicks. Alternatively, simply attack it with you ranged weapons and heal frequently.[/hide]

 

 

 

Now the Wyvern Lord seems to be the unlikely one. So here's the Elder Wyrm.

 

 

 

[hide=Elder Wyrm (boss)]This boss and his two Treant accomplices are weak against Wind. As both minions can be a nuisances, take care of them immediately with Aero or a Quickening chain followed by the most powerful Concurrence you can achieve. The Elder Wyrm regulary inflicts status ailments such as Blind, Confuse and Petrify, so be prepared to remove these status ailments ummediately, you could also establish suitable Gambits to automate this process (for example, assigning Smelling Salts to Ally: status = Confuse). This boss's most dangerous attack is Sporefall, which inflicts Oil, Poison, Sap and Confuse. You should immediately remove Oil with a Handkerchief before the monster has time to launch it's Fireball attack. Haste will cure Slow and Esuna should take care of the remaining ailments. Meanwhile, maintain a steady onslaught of physical attacks to wear down the monster. You can also try to inflict the Silence status ailment, though it may take a few attempts before it penetrates your adversary's defences. Larsa does a first rate job of healing everybody, so keep him healthy.[/hide]

 

 

 

Use them if you want, and I believe you mean the Elder Wyrm rather than Wyvern Lord, but I put them both anyway.