IGoddessI Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 lol that is nowhere near extreme as the one's I've seen on documentaries. I'm talking, blood everywhere, death, bald chickens from having feathers pecked off, broken limbs, the lot. You can mock me all you like, I have seen cockfighting to the death on many documented series. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 lol that is nowhere near extreme as the one's I've seen on documentaries. I'm talking, blood everywhere, death, bald chickens from having feathers pecked off, broken limbs, the lot. yeah.. no it doesn't work like that. these roosters cost a lot of money to the owners so if they can fight another day, they will. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 lol that is nowhere near extreme as the one's I've seen on documentaries. I'm talking, blood everywhere, death, bald chickens from having feathers pecked off, broken limbs, the lot. yeah.. no it doesn't work like that. these roosters cost a lot of money to the owners so if they can fight another day, they will. And what about the illegal cockfighters? The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 It's the same. Illegal just means the gov't doesn't get a cut in the profit. Even legal cockfights use knives like the video I posted. That's as bad as it gets from my experience. I mean the limbs do break and the eyes get damaged, but it's definitely not a bloodbath. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 @Reb, do yourself a favour and just ignore Zierro. The guy dug his hole a little too deep and can't figure a way out :lol: Someone give this kid a medal. Greatest troll to avoid ban (well almost). He is kind of right though [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 It's the same. Illegal just means the gov't doesn't get a cut in the profit. Even legal cockfights use knives like the video I posted. That's as bad as it gets from my experience. I mean the limbs do break and the eyes get damaged, but it's definitely not a bloodbath. :shock: You and I obviously don't view the same shows. In the streets it definitely becomes a blood bath. Does anyone have any idea what I'm talking about or has everyone been sheltered with their television viewing or something :? The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 No, he is saying that we shouldn't be restricted from doing anything we want to animals because they're stupider than us. And that meat eaters are hypocrites if they think that cockfights are wrong - since there is abuse at the factories. I honestly expected more out of you than this Reb. Do you really agree with those points? Cause to me this just sounds like your worst disagree-with-zierro-no-matter-what-scheme. Maybe you should go to page 3 and take a read on how this even happened. It's the same. Illegal just means the gov't doesn't get a cut in the profit. Even legal cockfights use knives like the video I posted. That's as bad as it gets from my experience. I mean the limbs do break and the eyes get damaged, but it's definitely not a bloodbath. Sometimes the loser cuts off their chicken's leg and gives it to the winner. Stop trying to make it seem like it's not sadistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku3220 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Taking lives, no matter how insignificant, for your own enjoyment isn't right. Can any of you give me a good enough reason that the harm of another creature should be allowed for fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_love_burritos Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Can any of you give me a good enough reason that the harm of another creature should be allowed for fun? Fight Club :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promise Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I used to do it, but my brother still does. Lots of money involved with it, and I think that's why its always been considered illegal, I doubt cruelty had that much of an impact. Our fights were geared, and things are a bit more extreme here in Hawaii. We even had rings set up with acrylic walls so a crowd could still watch and not get all bloody. [rooster] fighting doesn't exactly support ethical treatment for animals, but ethical treatment would imply complete liberation, and farm/wild animals lack the mental capacity to make their own decisions that would be considered ethical in our society....don't get me started with PETA. :mrgreen: I remain neutral on this topic, so don't quote me, but I will say this. Most users here are naive when it comes to a lot of the subjects they try to argue about. If you haven't tried it, you can't say its not fun/profitable. Feel free to express you're opinions, but flaming anyone who participates is not tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 So it's fun to some people and also profitable. Sorry but fun to me consists of much more constructive things in life. I can think of more profitable things that don't require hurting animals, so the profitability argument is pretty poor. How do you know that you won't like those ideas better than cockfighting either? Works both ways. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgedThesis Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Dying in a fight does seem more glorious than dying while restrained by steel and impersonal instruments of slaughter. But I still fall back on an irrational feeling at the bottom of my gut that this kind of forced fighting is wrong. I don't know what it is. But I don't want to go among mad people!Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 No, he is saying that we shouldn't be restricted from doing anything we want to animals because they're stupider than us. And that meat eaters are hypocrites if they think that cockfights are wrong - since there is abuse at the factories. I honestly expected more out of you than this Reb. Do you really agree with those points? Cause to me this just sounds like your worst disagree-with-zierro-no-matter-what-scheme. Don't flatter yourself. [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 It's either that or me thinking you are an idiot. Your pick. I'll ask again - do you really think it's hypocritical for someone to be a meat eater and not condone animal abuse at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 But I still fall back on an irrational feeling at the bottom of my gut that this kind of forced fighting is wrong. I don't know what it is. Maybe because you grew up being taught that harming animals are bad but never taught to question how the food on your table gets there? You have to agree with me that dying in a fight is several times more natural than being mass slaughtered in a steel factory. Look at the fights I've posted, especially the first cockfight vid. If these animals weren't separated from each other with a cage, they'd still fight whether or not someone is betting on them. Zierro, really? Stop making things up please. Makes you look even more pathetic. Get out of this thread. That's all you have to do. I'm giving you a free pass considering I don't even direct any more arguments with you. Taking lives, no matter how insignificant, for your own enjoyment isn't right. Can any of you give me a good enough reason that the harm of another creature should be allowed for fun? As much as people refuse to believe, we *already* do that. When we eat chicken, we do so because we enjoy it. I made this thread knowing that people like you, who doesn't really know how the world works, would deny this fact. But cockfighting is a natural act. They fight even without humans because that's what they do. I used to do it, but my brother still does. Lots of money involved with it, and I think that's why its always been considered illegal, I doubt cruelty had that much of an impact. Our fights were geared, and things are a bit more extreme here in Hawaii. We even had rings set up with acrylic walls so a crowd could still watch and not get all bloody. [rooster] fighting doesn't exactly support ethical treatment for animals, but ethical treatment would imply complete liberation, and farm/wild animals lack the mental capacity to make their own decisions that would be considered ethical in our society....don't get me started with PETA. :mrgreen: I remain neutral on this topic, so don't quote me, but I will say this. Most users here are naive when it comes to a lot of the subjects they try to argue about. If you haven't tried it, you can't say its not fun/profitable. Feel free to express you're opinions, but flaming anyone who participates is not tolerated. These people arguing against cockfighting probably have never seen one in real life. Mommy and daddy just told them it was wrong. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Zierro, really? Stop making things up please. Makes you look even more pathetic. Get out of this thread. That's all you have to do. I'm giving you a free pass considering I don't even direct any more arguments with you. What am I making up Shadow? I'd gladly go back and quote you if you'd like. Oh and *reads title*. Thoughts on Cockfighting eh? So I'm allowed to give my thoughts on cockfighting? I'm allowed to say I think it's messed up, correct? At least change your title to, "Agree with me that cockfighting is good or get flamed" - it's more accurate. These people arguing against cockfighting probably have never seen one in real life. Mommy and daddy just told them it was wrong. I never seen a murder in real life, but I can still vouch for it being wrong. And my mom and dad never had to tell me it was wrong either. I fail to see how people are saying my arguments are crap when at the same time they're defending this guy... Seriously guys. As much as people refuse to believe, we *already* do that. When we eat chicken, we do so because we enjoy it. I made this thread knowing that people like you, who doesn't really know how the world works, would deny this fact. But cockfighting is a natural act. They fight even without humans because that's what they do. Food is a necessity. Entertainment is a leisure. For someone who gets upset when people equate humans and chickens, you sure do a lot of unnecessary equating yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio666 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 lol that is nowhere near extreme as the one's I've seen on documentaries. I'm talking, blood everywhere, death, bald chickens from having feathers pecked off, broken limbs, the lot. yeah.. no it doesn't work like that. these roosters cost a lot of money to the owners so if they can fight another day, they will. So you can put them through it again? Oh yeah you're not sadistic at all! "Probably the worst thing I do is take bubble baths. But manly ones." No matter what the avatar looks like, I'm male Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio666 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 The point is that it's making a living thing suffer for your own enjoyment which I both believe is pathetic and sadistic. The factory treatment is wrong too, but this isn't the thread for it. It's called "thoughts on COCKFIGHTING" not "thoughts on how chickens are treated" so bye bye that point Anyway, there's a difference between a need and a want. I need food to survive but I want fast food. I need water, I want soft drinks. I need chicken (or meat in general) because of the minerals and nutrients in it....however I would like it to be saturated in fat. Cockfighting just delays a chickens death, draws out it's pain all in the name of entertainment. Yeah it happens naturally, but putting two [roosters] together, with the knowledge that they'll go for each other, is cruel. Betting on it is also wrong, in my opinion. I know money is l=kind of a central thing for the human race but betting on the suffering of other creatures isn't very responsible Let's see, do any of you have pets? Most of you probably do. So we'll put err Reb's pet and Shadow's pet (I don't know if you have a pet or not, I'm just saying this) in a ring and watch them fight it out.....doesn't that upset you? Your dog who you've had for years is being torn apart, ripped and shredded, whimpering and howling in pain as people cheer it on. Even if it was going to die then surely it would be nicer to sever it's CNS than to allow the skin to be gradually ripped from it's body. To have it's flesh ripped, it's eyes removed...slowly. Does any of that seem right to you? Because if you can genuinely say that that would be ok with you I think you might have to go see a professional (I mean a phsychologist or a therapist of some kind) "Probably the worst thing I do is take bubble baths. But manly ones." No matter what the avatar looks like, I'm male Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Anyway, there's a difference between a need and a want. I need food to survive but I want fast food. I need water, I want soft drinks. I need chicken (or meat in general) because of the minerals and nutrients in it....however I would like it to be saturated in fat. And this is why cockfighting is sadistic and eating them is not. Sadism - The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty. Why do you like cockfights? Because you get pleasure out of seeing chickens fight. Why do we eat chicken? Because we need food and it tastes good. Eating chicken has nothing to do with enjoying the pain chickens are put through. The only enjoyment here is how it tastes on our taste buds - not the psychological drive for wanting to witness pain being inflicted upon them. It has to do with survival, not sadism. There is a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_moocky Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I would much rather cook and eat them then watch them kill each other. Not because I feel empathy for chickens, but because it's a waste. quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku3220 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Taking lives, no matter how insignificant, for your own enjoyment isn't right. Can any of you give me a good enough reason that the harm of another creature should be allowed for fun? As much as people refuse to believe, we *already* do that. When we eat chicken, we do so because we enjoy it. I made this thread knowing that people like you, who doesn't really know how the world works, would deny this fact. But cockfighting is a natural act. They fight even without humans because that's what they do. We eat chickens for variety. The world may be able to survive just eating cereal or bread but eating the same thing forever isn't good for you. Even if roosters do fight on their own then let them fight on their own! Antagonising them then throwing them into a ring is anything but natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 Why do you guys act like being sadistic is a horrible thing? :lol: Yeah, I watch boxing like most people. I can't wait for the Pacquiao vs Hatton fight to happen. Sue me. Please call the cops because I like watching fights. Just don't tell my mother. We eat chickens for variety. The world may be able to survive just eating cereal or bread but eating the same thing forever isn't good for you. Even if roosters do fight on their own then let them fight on their own! Antagonising them then throwing them into a ring is anything but natural. I hope you understand how ignorant you are because there are people out there who don't eat any form of meat and are completely healthy. You don't have to antagonize roosters for them to fight. Are you insane? It's in their blood. They fight when they try to mate with the same hen, they fight for food, they fight for terrirotory. It is natural. Let's see, do any of you have pets? Most of you probably do. So we'll put err Reb's pet and Shadow's pet (I don't know if you have a pet or not, I'm just saying this) in a ring and watch them fight it out.....doesn't that upset you? Your dog who you've had for years is being torn apart, ripped and shredded, whimpering and howling in pain as people cheer it on. Even if it was going to die then surely it would be nicer to sever it's CNS than to allow the skin to be gradually ripped from it's body. To have it's flesh ripped, it's eyes removed...slowly See how naive you are? I've had a dog when I was 10. We didn't put a leash on him and we never kept him locked inside our house. He was free to roam wherever he wants. I've seen him fight other dogs. I've seen it get hurt. I've seen it limp. I've seen his ears get torn. But did I cry? No that's what dogs do. He's never attack a person but he won't go down without a fight against other dogs. It's in their nature, something I've learned up close. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Why do you guys act like being sadistic is a horrible thing? :lol: Yeah, I watch boxing like most people. I can't wait for the Pacquiao vs Hatton fight to happen. Sue me. Please call the cops because I like watching fights. Just don't tell my mother. Boxers give their consent to fight. If they were forced into a ring, like how the Greeks used the Colosseum, then I would think it's even worse than cockfighting. I hope you understand how ignorant you are because there are people out there who don't eat any form of meat and are completely healthy. I don't watch cockfights and I still find ways to entertain myself. Why are all your arguments so one-sided? You don't have to antagonize roosters for them to fight. Are you insane? It's in their blood. They fight when they try to mate with the same hen, they fight for food, they fight for terrirotory. It is natural. Then what is their reason for fighting during a cockfight? PS: I think calling other people ignorant has lost it's effect after you said the whole thing about, "Meat eaters who don't condone animal abuse are all hypocrites." Yeah, little girls who eat chicken nuggets from McDonalds are the same exact thing as people who torture animals. Credibility flew right out the window after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku3220 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 We eat chickens for variety. The world may be able to survive just eating cereal or bread but eating the same thing forever isn't good for you. Even if roosters do fight on their own then let them fight on their own! Antagonising them then throwing them into a ring is anything but natural. I hope you understand how ignorant you are because there are people out there who don't eat any form of meat and are completely healthy. You don't have to antagonize roosters for them to fight. Are you insane? It's in their blood. They fight when they try to mate with the same hen, they fight for food, they fight for terrirotory. It is natural. So now we should all be taking protein pills and be eating fruit salads for dinner because we won't let you have cockfights? You are the one who is being ignorant by still failing to see that eating a chicken is more natural than making two roosters fight in a ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 So now we should all be taking protein pills and be eating fruit salads for dinner because we won't let you have cockfights? You are the one who is being ignorant by still failing to see that eating a chicken is more natural than making two roosters fight in a ring. Please, don't shove things in my mouth. I'm not saying people should stop eating meat. I'm justifying cockfighting by what we do in animal factories. There's a huge difference with what you're implying and what I've been saying this whole time. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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