Marijuana?

[mmmcannibalism]

The government know for a fact that if they legalise marijuana, the economy will scre up (more).

 

 

 

excluding short term reaction, legalizing marijuana would in effect be adding a tax to an existing product, and more tax revenue without taking it out of the income of "common" people would seem like a very good thing for the economy.

[Ren0gade]

Have you people head of Salvia by anychance ?

 

 

 

Salvia is a pretty intense experience, it is interesting that is legal in what 48 states i think. It is a good way to lose touch with reality for 15 minutes :)

[evil_mumm_ra]

Have you people head of Salvia by anychance ?

 

 

 

sure have, i've tried it a few times as matter of fact, it's a trip for like 15 minutes, i always end up talking to people who aren't really there. got bored with it though, and got rid of what i had left. i'd rather have marijuana, but i quit that too. quitting marijuana is easy, i didn't feel any addiction to it or anything. i just liked the relaxed feeling it gave me. make your own responsible decisions about it and it will all be fine.

[QuakeFan1]

No, Why? well, Brain damage, Lung damage, other stuff that is assorted to smoking that crap.

 

 

 

I think it should only be used in medical reasons.

 

 

 

I just think marijuana is just a peice of crap that screws up our society.

 

Im done ranting.

 

 

 

Ok, this guy clearly gets his info on weed from god damn cereal boxes. You are the victim of government propaganda. How does it feel to think for yourself? Oh wait, you would not know.

 

 

 

I've never met someone who's done this that wasn't completely screwed up in the head afterwards, so no.

 

 

 

Never touching this [cabbage].

 

 

 

Completely screwed up in the head? How so? The fact that they were HIGH, not braindead, for a few hours does not make someone completely screwed up in the head. Again, this person's opinion has been severely warped by school/tv/etc. Sorry to hear, maybe some day you will see the light. Another person who can't think for themself.

 

 

 

There's ups and downs with Marijuana (I currently have health class). It IS addicting, although less so than other drugs. It is a softer drug, and doesn't really have physical repercussions on others, whereas drunkenness for example might. Marijuana can work great for medical purposes, as it relieves pain and stress (some states don't allow it, is why I mention). Plus, you can't die from an overdose (people have tried, hehe) However, it does destroy certain responders in your brain, mainly those involved with memory. Loss of focus will lead to injuries w/ heavy machinery, school failure, and eventually you may even have trouble remembering your friends. Also, if you try to quit, withdrawal symptoms include depression and thoughts of suicide for up to a year. And not to mention cancer, which is much more easy to get with MJ than nicotine. Modern marijuana is not your parents weed - numbers have jumped from 5% THC to almost 80%.

 

 

 

The government could also benefit. If the government makes a marijuana legal, but only through government controlled vendors, there is a large room for profit. Marijuana is the largest cash crop in the US, even though it's illegal.

 

 

 

Personally, it should stay illegal. Why? At least in the US, it's too glamorized. People will all become potheads, and the problem will be worse than ever. Just another "in the US..." joke.

 

I don't smoke marijuana, and I'm 14 - to anyone who cares.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ladies and gentlemen, idiot #3. Marijuana is NOT physically addicting. Could a person with an addictive personality develop a MENTAL dependence on mairjuana? Sure, but will it cause much harm? Not at all. I'm having trouble seeing how anyone classifies marijuana as a drug. Its a plant that grows in the ground, that your so called god put here in the first place. Loss of focus? Have you even tried it? One of the few activities of mine I like to take part in after enjoying a nice bowl, is playing FPS games. It incredibly increases my focus in aim and my surroundings. Again, that is what the government wants you to think, that is why they slap that information on TV ads and throw it in your oh so wrong school textbooks. Too glamorized? A glamorized drug in the US is a DESTRUCTIVE drug like Cocaine/Heroin. Not at all marijuana. All stoners? Do you know how many people toke daily and hold six figure jobs? Oh man, I came to the end of the post and realize you are 14. Do you know that marijuana is legal in Amsterdam. You'd think that if you watched a news segment from there all hell would be breaking lose due to all the "POTHEADS". Guess what, The Netherlands' crime rate is EXTREMELY lower than the US. Marijuana has done nothing but benefit the US. It is unfortunate that the people who run this country tell you the opposite. Some day you will learn.

 

 

 

 

Still, it's bad for you. If you can rpove to me that marijuana improves your health, I'll chomp on my foot.

 

 

 

You are asking the wrong question. Are you even aware of the dangers of prescription pills? Marijuana is the utterly extremely safe alternative to these highly addictive pills(you may know them as vicodin/xanax/etc, or as opiates/benzos). Alcohol is also a million more times devastating than marijuana. Drunk driving accidents. Liver failure. And so on. How many times have you heard of "Stoned accidents"? Never. Lung failure from marijuana? Not in a million years. Lung failure from cigarettes? Maybe 25 years. I bet you get your info from .gov sites...Chew on this, Michael Phelps won GOLD MEDALS and he smokes when he's not competing. Eat your foot, pics plz.

 

 

 

How many times do you hear:

 

Person: Oh hey dude, how's it been?

 

Person2: Good, did you hear that Person3 is now addicted to weed?

 

Person: Damn man that sucks, we need to get him some help.

 

 

 

God damn Runescape is more addictive than marijuana...

 

 

 

Yes, there are kids in your high school who abuse marijuana. They get high and wear baggy pants and tall tees and talk like rappers they saw on MTV, because it increases the chances people will like them. They are insecure. THEY are completely screwed up in the head, and always were, marijuana had nothing to do with it.

 

 

 

Enjoy your life as nothing but a microscopic rat in the rat race of this so called "human life" the government has sold us. Enjoy your life living in a world of pure materialism. I bet you just can't wait to graduate, get a nice house, a nice car, and a nice family. That's the american dream, right? I'll enjoy mine in the minority who watch these rats run around like a chicken with its head cut off, and you bet your [wagon] I'll be high when I do it.

 

 

 

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Is this post harsh? Without a doubt. Was it necessary? Without a doubt. There's one thing they don't teach you in school, rather one thing they DON'T want you to do, and that is to think for yourself. Question authority. Educate yourself. If there's one thing you want to know in this life, you are going to have to discover it yourself and it is something no one else can teach you.

[toast647]

God damn Runescape is more addictive than marijuana...

 

 

 

 

I smoke weed, and I play runescape. And this is 100% true

[venomai]

I'm having trouble seeing how anyone classifies marijuana as a drug.

 

Marijuana is a psychoactive drug. There's no denying that.

 

 

 

How many times have you heard of "Stoned accidents"?

 

It's one thing to reject rubbish government propaganda, but there's no need to skew the truth.

 

 

 

It's not uncommon to hear of "stoned accidents" (I've had a couple myself) and, less commonly, pot-related fatalities. e.g.

 

 

 

"Marijuana use prior to injury was determined prospectively in 1023 patients injured as the result of vehicular (67.6%) and nonvehicular (32.4%) trauma. Most were men (72.8%); most were 30 years of age or younger (58.4%). All were admitted directly from the scene of injury. [Marijuana] was detected in 34.7% of subjects."

 

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Marijuana alone (without alcohol) was detected in 18.3% patients. Its likely that a significant number of these accidents could have been avoided had the individual not smoked beforehand.

[QuakeFan1]

 

"Marijuana use prior to injury was determined prospectively in 1023 patients injured as the result of vehicular (67.6%) and nonvehicular (32.4%) trauma. Most were men (72.8%); most were 30 years of age or younger (58.4%). All were admitted directly from the scene of injury. [Marijuana] was detected in 34.7% of subjects."

 

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Marijuana alone (without alcohol) was detected in 18.3% patients. Its likely that a significant number of these accidents could have been avoided had the individual not smoked beforehand.

 

 

 

Those people shouldn't be on the road; they are terrible drivers. Marijuana had nothing to do with.

[evil_mumm_ra]

 

"Marijuana use prior to injury was determined prospectively in 1023 patients injured as the result of vehicular (67.6%) and nonvehicular (32.4%) trauma. Most were men (72.8%); most were 30 years of age or younger (58.4%). All were admitted directly from the scene of injury. [Marijuana] was detected in 34.7% of subjects."

 

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Marijuana alone (without alcohol) was detected in 18.3% patients. Its likely that a significant number of these accidents could have been avoided had the individual not smoked beforehand.

 

 

 

Those people shouldn't be on the road; they are terrible drivers. Marijuana had nothing to do with.

 

 

 

no, marijuana does impair driving, it slows reaction times, takes more concentration, etc. marijuana probably had a lot to do with it, and being a bad driver probably did too. now you are just starting to sound like marijuana is the essence of perfection and can do no wrong, which is just as bad as people who spout off the government propaganda about it as fact.

[obfuscator]

I have mixed feelings about it to be honest. Me personally, I would never do it. I've been surrounded by it for the last 7-8 years and I've seen who can handle it and who can't, and I know I couldn't.

 

 

 

In terms of it being legalized, its an interesting situation. There are pro's and cons. For example, if marijuana was legalized then there would be a huge drop in crime, at least 50% of people in jails all over the world are there for drug related offenses. It would also, as others have said, give the government tax revenue.

 

 

 

It's true that it isn't physically addictive, as in your body doesn't depend on it, but for some people it can be highly mentally addictive and crippling. I've seen some people smoke weed regularly, and still manage to lead a perfectly normal life. They are capable of enjoying weed in it's own place, so it doesn't affect their work, school etc. However, I've also seen many people become very addicted to it mentally, and it does have physical repercussions. I know of many people who were getting great marks in school, had a great job, girlfriend etc, but weed became such an important part of their life that they lost all of that. It makes you lose your motivation, so to speak. You get so caught up in when you can next get high that it can be quite debilitating.

 

 

 

I would like to stress that THIS IS NOT EVERYONE. As I stated previously, some people are completely capable of handing weed. Others, are not. I have seen people get extremely screwed over because of this drug, because they don't have the maturity to handle it.

 

 

 

So, I think that yes, it could be legalized. It should certainly have an age limit, one that applies to cigarettes/alcohol in whatever jurisdiction could be appropriate.

[Zierro]

It's not uncommon to hear of "stoned accidents" (I've had a couple myself) and, less commonly, pot-related fatalities. e.g.

 

 

 

Do you think this might be dependent on the individuals? I play instruments better after smoking and that takes a lot of coordination. Not to say I don't trip once in a while, but I do that even while sober. :lol:

[Perakp]

As long as it is illegal I won't have it, but if it was legal, maybe.

 

 

 

I don't smoke or drink and am not going to go to Amsterdam either.

[Will H]

No, because someone in my family screwed up his life (and his mental health) because of marijuana. You can't tell who will suffer from it's negative effects and who won't until it's already happened. Too much risk, not enough reward. Sorry. =;

[QuakeFan1]

 

no, marijuana does impair driving, it slows reaction times, takes more concentration, etc. marijuana probably had a lot to do with it, and being a bad driver probably did too. now you are just starting to sound like marijuana is the essence of perfection and can do no wrong, which is just as bad as people who spout off the government propaganda about it as fact.

 

 

 

Again, wrong. People give marijuana a bad name, there is NOTHING wrong with marijuana. The only wrong that is caused by it are the people who sell it for profit and would kill to continue or raise those profits, and the people who don't want you to do it(govt) which will eventually turn their backs on the govt after seeing what [cabbage] they feed us. Those 2 types people should be hung, honestly. I drive high a lot, and am even a better driver doing so. I drive smoother, and am more alert to my surroundings. Now, obviously, everyone won't have the same results as me. If they get too high to drive, then they shouldn't be driving and it's 100% their fault for making the judgement to drive.

 

 

 

No, because someone in my family screwed up his life (and his mental health) because of marijuana. You can't tell who will suffer from it's negative effects and who won't until it's already happened. Too much risk, not enough reward. Sorry. =;

 

 

 

Sorry, your family member is idiotic and has no self control. Again, THAT SINGLE PERSON'S FAULT. NOT marijuana.

 

 

 

Seriously, keep these posts coming...I love proving you wrong.

 

 

 

Is marijuana for everyone? No. Should those people come to self-realization about what they are doing should a problem arise? Yea. If not, their fault, too bad so sad.

[Skull]

 

Seriously, keep these posts coming...I love proving you wrong.

 

 

You just saying, "no you're wrong" doesn't prove someone wrong :lol:

 

 

 

And marijuana does slow reaction time, which in turn can make driving more difficult.

[obfuscator]

 

Seriously, keep these posts coming...I love proving you wrong.

 

 

You just saying, "no you're wrong" doesn't prove someone wrong :lol:

 

 

 

And marijuana does slow reaction time, which in turn can make driving more difficult.

 

 

 

The problem is that people have different reactions to marijuana.

[Skull]

 

Seriously, keep these posts coming...I love proving you wrong.

 

 

You just saying, "no you're wrong" doesn't prove someone wrong :lol:

 

 

 

And marijuana does slow reaction time, which in turn can make driving more difficult.

 

 

 

The problem is that people have different reactions to marijuana.

 

Hence why I said can make. I think I should have said could though. But I don't really care.

[venomai]

It's not uncommon to hear of "stoned accidents" (I've had a couple myself) and, less commonly, pot-related fatalities. e.g.

 

 

 

Do you think this might be dependent on the individuals? I play instruments better after smoking and that takes a lot of coordination. Not to say I don't trip once in a while, but I do that even while sober. :lol:

 

It could be. But, more likely, it is dependent on other factors, such as your immediate environment, the dosage, etc. For example, after a high dose of cannabis, a misperception of one's balance/environment, rather than diminished coordination, may lead to an accident.

 

 

 

Also, I'm curious, have you actually seen yourself play while high?

 

 

 

I've had similar feelings when programming. Although I've had a number of programming-related breakthroughs after smoking up, I generally end up having to re-write the code the next day, asking myself questions like "What the hell was I thinking there?"

 

 

 

I drive high a lot, and am even a better driver doing so. I drive smoother, and am more alert to my surroundings. Now, obviously, everyone won't have the same results as me. If they get too high to drive, then they shouldn't be driving and it's 100% their fault for making the judgement to drive.

 

I've heard people claim of being a "better driver while drunk," but this means nothing in the face of scientific research.

 

 

 

It's the incredibly idiotic and willfully ingnorant pot-lovers like yourself that are counterproductive to the movement that the rest of us are lobbying for (law reform, social acceptance, etc).

 

 

 

Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific And Rational Review

 

[hide=]In closed course and driving simulator studies, marijuanas acute effects on psychomotor performance include minor impairments in tracking (eye movement control) and reaction time, as well as variation in lateral positioning, headway (drivers under the influence of cannabis tend to follow less closely to the vehicle in front of them), and speed (drivers tend to decrease speed following cannabis inhalation).16 [...]

 

 

 

A handful of more recent studies have noted a positive association between very recent cannabis exposure and a gradually increased risk of vehicle accident. Typically, these studies reveal that drivers who possess THC/blood concentrations above 5ng/ml implying cannabis inhalation within the past 1-3 hours25-26 experience an elevated risk of accident compared to drug-free controls.27-28 [...]

 

 

 

The above review illustrates the need for further education and understanding regarding the effects of cannabis upon driving behavior. While pots adverse impact on psychomotor skills is less severe than the effects of alcohol, driving under the acute influence of cannabis still may pose an elevated risk of accident in certain situations. However, because marijuanas psychomotor impairment is subtle and short-lived, consumers can greatly reduce this risk by refraining from driving for a period of several hours following their cannabis use.[/hide]

 

 

 

Impacts of cannabis on driving - Mann et al. (2003)

 

[hide=]Several comprehensive reviews of this literature have appeared, and the results appear to be very consistent. A consistent conclusion is that the acute effects of a moderate or higher dose of cannabis impairs the skills related to safe driving and injury risk. Moskowitz (1985) concluded that marijuana use impairs driver performance under a variety of experimental conditions. Berghaus and Guo (1995) conducted a meta-analysis of 60 studies and concluded that marijuana causes impairment of every performance area connected with safe driving of a vehicle, such as tracking, psychomotor skills, reaction time, visual functions, and attention. Of these performance criteria, the most deterioration from marijuana use was found for measures of attention (e.g., the Continuous Performance Task), tracking (e.g., the Pursuit Rotor task) and psychomotor skills (e.g., simple reaction time)(Berghaus and Guo, 1995; Coambs and McAndrews, 1994). Similar conclusions have been reached by other reviewers (Ashton, 2001; Hollister, 1998; OKane et al., 2002; Maes et al., 1999; Smiley, 1999). [...] Johns (2001) notes that cannabis use can occasionally result in short-term psychiatric distress and even psychotic states, and that cannabis may provoke relapse and aggravate existing symptoms in people with major mental illnesses such as schizophrenia.[/hide]

 

 

 

Sorry, your family member is idiotic and has no self control. Again, THAT SINGLE PERSON'S FAULT. NOT marijuana.

 

It's already been discussed (with sources) in this thread or another that high-dose cannabis use can trigger and/or exacerbate symptoms of psychosis and depression in vulnerable individuals, i.e. it can precipitate a mental illness that may not have otherwise surfaced. This isn't necessarily "that person's fault" as it need not relate to self-control, abuse, etc.

[Zierro]

Also, I'm curious, have you actually seen yourself play while high?

 

 

 

I've had similar feelings when programming. Although I've had a number of programming-related breakthroughs after smoking up, I generally end up having to re-write the code the next day, asking myself questions like "What the hell was I thinking there?"

 

 

 

No, good point. It could just be that I think I sound better. Sounds like an interesting experiment though. I'll try recording myself playing sober then record myself high and compare.

 

 

 

Your second paragraph reminds me of some of the posts I made when I'm high.

[Mr_Adam]

I feel as if no one read my post on page 2, which probably means it was very useful. I sorta hate how tif'ers tend not to quote and expand on other people's opinions unless they can prove them wrong on a small technicality -.-

 

 

 

Anyways, marijuana does fill the category of addiction. That self-control stuff is [cabbage]. Some people don't have as strong a reaction, others do. Once you're addicted to marijuana, it's just as hard to quit as smoking, maybe harder (due to depression and possible suicide). Not to mention all the crap in there besides marijuana.

 

 

 

Like I said before, if marijuana is legalised, everyone will rush to do it and the people will collapse.

 

 

 

PS. Medicinal Marijuana works mainly as pain killers and stress relief, and it's controversial because the risk for cancer is about 2 times higher or more.

[QuakeFan1]

I drive high a lot, and am even a better driver doing so. I drive smoother, and am more alert to my surroundings. Now, obviously, everyone won't have the same results as me. If they get too high to drive, then they shouldn't be driving and it's 100% their fault for making the judgement to drive.

 

I've heard people claim of being a "better driver while drunk," but this means nothing in the face of scientific research.

 

 

 

It's the incredibly idiotic and willfully ingnorant pot-lovers like yourself that are counterproductive to the movement that the rest of us are lobbying for (law reform, social acceptance, etc).

 

 

 

Haha, thanks for the laugh. You should do stand-up. Willfully ignorant and incredibly idiotic huh? Says the slave-to-the-system...Your internet articles are not sources, and far from factual. I'd never thought I'd meet a stoner I didn't care for, I commend you for being the first. By the way, good luck in your (pointless) quest to change Washington's opinion on marijuana. Laws and social acceptance is pure bullsh, 99% of society are drones and born idiots. That's why they turn to their government and cry for help, but they've never done much good for the people.

 

 

 

I'd actually prefer marijuana stay illegal. Cost is not an issue for me. Obtaining it is not an issue. I prefer the 'thrill', if you will, in the sense that I'm "not supposed to be doing it". Who knows what chemicals the govt will put in there. You damn well know the media will portray marijuana like it's the second coming of the devil. It will do more harm than good.

[EdgedThesis]

I drive high a lot, and am even a better driver doing so. I drive smoother, and am more alert to my surroundings. Now, obviously, everyone won't have the same results as me. If they get too high to drive, then they shouldn't be driving and it's 100% their fault for making the judgement to drive.

 

I've heard people claim of being a "better driver while drunk," but this means nothing in the face of scientific research.

 

 

 

It's the incredibly idiotic and willfully ingnorant pot-lovers like yourself that are counterproductive to the movement that the rest of us are lobbying for (law reform, social acceptance, etc).

 

 

 

Haha, thanks for the laugh. You should do stand-up. Willfully ignorant and incredibly idiotic huh? Says the slave-to-the-system...Your internet articles are not sources, and far from factual. I'd never thought I'd meet a stoner I didn't care for, I commend you for being the first. By the way, good luck in your (pointless) quest to change Washington's opinion on marijuana. Laws and social acceptance is pure [cabbage], 99% of society are drones and born idiots. That's why they turn to their government and cry for help, but they've never done much good for the people.

 

 

 

I'd actually prefer marijuana stay illegal. Cost is not an issue for me. Obtaining it is not an issue. I prefer the 'thrill', if you will, in the sense that I'm "not supposed to be doing it". Who knows what chemicals the govt will put in there. You damn well know the media will portray marijuana like it's the second coming of the devil. It will do more harm than good.

 

 

 

Stop with your 'rise against the machine', 'friction to grind the governmental gears to a halt', misanthropic, narrow-minded, over-reactive, overly theatrical bull [cabbage].

 

 

 

Marijuana does have an effect upon the brain. It may lead to memory loss (though it does, paradoxically, seem to protect against plaque build-up and Alzheimer's. The two memory related effects most-likely have different mechanisms) and abnormality within the nerve tissue.

 

 

 

Sure, recent research has shown that, contrary to popular belief, nerve cells and synapses can regenerate over time--but this doesn't detract from the fact that Marijuana can affect your brain. Regular, unceasing use of the drug might prevent the healing factor from kicking in, resulting in a perpetual state of nervous abnormality.

[Manorexic]

Yes, saying that i think i lost a few months to a slight addiction, but i wouldn't put a law on it. Just not something i'll do again, and oh as long as you don't actually mention it on runescape, "im so high ryt now" we all know you're really 11 years old... -.-

[Mr_Adam]

 

I'd actually prefer marijuana stay illegal. Cost is not an issue for me. Obtaining it is not an issue. I prefer the 'thrill', if you will, in the sense that I'm "not supposed to be doing it". Who knows what chemicals the govt will put in there. You damn well know the media will portray marijuana like it's the second coming of the devil. It will do more harm than good.

 

 

 

How is cost and obtainability not a problem? Either you're a rich white man who wants to seem tough (Bam Margera for ex.) or you're a dealer, I pull from that. Both are just as bad.

 

How do YOU know what's put into your marijuana? Government control would probably be safer.

 

I doubt mass media will advertise marijuana - do you see cigarette commercials?

[Riku3220]

 

I'd actually prefer marijuana stay illegal. Cost is not an issue for me. Obtaining it is not an issue. I prefer the 'thrill', if you will, in the sense that I'm "not supposed to be doing it". Who knows what chemicals the govt will put in there. You damn well know the media will portray marijuana like it's the second coming of the devil. It will do more harm than good.

 

 

 

How is cost and obtainability not a problem? Either you're a rich white man who wants to seem tough (Bam Margera for ex.) or you're a dealer, I pull from that. Both are just as bad.

 

How do YOU know what's put into your marijuana? Government control would probably be safer.

 

I doubt mass media will advertise marijuana - do you see cigarette commercials?

 

When marijuana become legal the cig companies are going to put everything they put in cigarettes into the marijuana. So either way, legal or not, it's going to cause more harm than good...

[anonymous1234]

 

I'd actually prefer marijuana stay illegal. Cost is not an issue for me. Obtaining it is not an issue. I prefer the 'thrill', if you will, in the sense that I'm "not supposed to be doing it". Who knows what chemicals the govt will put in there. You damn well know the media will portray marijuana like it's the second coming of the devil. It will do more harm than good.

 

 

 

How is cost and obtainability not a problem? Either you're a rich white man who wants to seem tough (Bam Margera for ex.) or you're a dealer, I pull from that. Both are just as bad.

 

How do YOU know what's put into your marijuana? Government control would probably be safer.

 

I doubt mass media will advertise marijuana - do you see cigarette commercials?

 

When marijuana become legal the cig companies are going to put everything they put in cigarettes into the marijuana. So either way, legal or not, it's going to cause more harm than good...

 

Let's just hope if it is every legalised that it is also legal to grow your own plants,