SnWRifleman Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 My opinion is this. I think it's fine. Don't judge me, but to research on a few babies to find the cure for cancer and paralysis and such, for millions of patients each year would be fine. "Kill one, save a thousand". For those who don't know what this is: There are a lot of types of cells in your body, such as blood cells, nerve cells, bone cells, and STEM CELLS. Like nerve cells, blood cells, and bones cells are specialized. They make up your nervous system, blood, and bones, respectively. Stem Cells are unspecialized cells that can turn into any of the CELLS in your ENTIRE BODY. Say a man lost 70% of his blood, and was in critical status. If we knew how to harness these stem cells, we could change the millions of stem cells into millions of blood cells, therefore saving his life. The only downside is that there are two types of stem cells. Embryonic and adult stem cells. Embryonic are easier to harness and to transform, therefore making it easier to research on babies. The thing is, many people find an immoral thing about this topic and deny the government to do research on this. Though maybe a few hundred babies might be killed during the process, millions upon millions of people today and the next day, etc, would be saved. Paralysis, blood loss, lost limbs, brain damage, natural [developmentally delayed]ation, cancer, and many other conditions might be cured from this research. Main: Snw rifleman - FINISHED DESERT TRESURE 11/5/08 WOO Just your typical asian who likes to play games =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 dont have time for long post but by cultivation--always from embryos--almost always okay, farming them for it would be a little odd but would be fine from aborted fetuses--never, while abortions legality is debateable it should never be incentivized. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorLepRecon Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I believe that stem-cell research should be supported fully. It could lead to tons of potential new cures for diseases. Forum Updates & Suggestions <------ Let your voice be heard!Forum Games <------- Coolest place on Tip.ItTip.It Forum Rules <------- Read them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 There are ways of getting stem cells that don't involve the killing of innocent children, those ways are perfectly fine. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 If women abort their fetuses, might as well use it for something, right? "Thy death won't come in vain." "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenga Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I'm fine with stem cell research, just don't offer money for it. If a woman decides to get an abortion to help all of mankind then thats fine with me. Though it's not fine if you're someone says "give us your aborted babies, get $100!!!OMFG no wai!!!!!!" Ponies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly_Wizard Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Adult stem cell research: A-okay Cultivating stem cells from the umbilical cord: A-okay Embryonic stem cell reserach: Bad People won't rest until someone implanted with embryonic stem cells to fight/cure and develops cancer. Just you wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_de_Sable Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Firstly, you're all forgetting how wrong abortion is. At least, I hope you're forgetting. Secondly, you can't just kill babies for stem cell research. No. Just no. [English translation needed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnWRifleman Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 Yes, but that baby, who might grow to be a healthy person, but someday develop cancer might wonder, why?!. Though, he wouldn't be alive at that time, he could have basically cured a form of disease. We can continue living and being slaughtered by disease and cancer, or we can research and find cures to these diseases and operate on a few babies. There are some forms of stem cell research on babies, that DOESN'T kill it, but might have some negative effects on it, though I wouldn't know what happens. I don't believe in abortion, but this isn't abortion. Abortion is killing the baby during the pregnancy, but this. THIS can be the answer to cures for cancer and disease and many other conditions. Main: Snw rifleman - FINISHED DESERT TRESURE 11/5/08 WOO Just your typical asian who likes to play games =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 If women abort their fetuses, might as well use it for something, right? "Thy death won't come in vain." Yep. Long as offers aren't made. If when I'm married, my wife gets offered money for an abortion, I'll likely beat their [wagon]. Don't know why that would happen, though. Roving stem cell entrepreneurs? Whatever. I like how stem cells not from fetuses can be used, though. That's very good, because I don't know if the aborted fetuses would handle all the diseases. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I think it's great and I support all forms of stem cell research. It seems that adult stem cell therapies have come a long way while there have been bans on embryonic stem cell research, so at least there's some progress being made. The ultimate dream as far as stem cell therapies goes is the development of stem cell banks. They would be kind of like blood banks, except everyone has their own personal adult stem cell line that has been reverted to be pluripotent or even totipotent (i.e. can develop into any cell type). This would avoid the problems with rejection that would otherwise occur with using foreign cells and would give everyone a fallback position if they ever developed a disease that could be cured by stem cell therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku3220 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I can't see any reason not to get stem cells from aborted fetuses seeing as it's only going to be disposed of. After all if we can use dead people to further the lives of the people who are still alive (cookie if you get the reference) why not do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_moocky Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 If women abort their fetuses, might as well use it for something, right? "Thy death won't come in vain." Yep. Long as offers aren't made. If when I'm married, my wife gets offered money for an abortion, I'll likely beat their [wagon]. Don't know why that would happen, though. Roving stem cell entrepreneurs? Whatever. I like how stem cells not from fetuses can be used, though. That's very good, because I don't know if the aborted fetuses would handle all the diseases. Buying babies all babies! Ugly, fat you name I'll take em $100 a piece this is for cancer people! OT: It's good. quit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrow Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Stem cells from aborted fetuses are just fine, what else are we gonna do with the fetus? Well other than breakfast, but we should take the stem cells out first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_de_Sable Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Yes, but that baby, who might grow to be a healthy person, but someday develop cancer might wonder, why?!. Though, he wouldn't be alive at that time, he could have basically cured a form of disease. We can continue living and being slaughtered by disease and cancer, or we can research and find cures to these diseases and operate on a few babies. There are some forms of stem cell research on babies, that DOESN'T kill it, but might have some negative effects on it, though I wouldn't know what happens. I don't believe in abortion, but this isn't abortion. Abortion is killing the baby during the pregnancy, but this. THIS can be the answer to cures for cancer and disease and many other conditions. No, this, this is killing the baby after it has seen its first light. Yay! [English translation needed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenga Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Yes, but that baby, who might grow to be a healthy person, but someday develop cancer might wonder, why?!. Though, he wouldn't be alive at that time, he could have basically cured a form of disease. We can continue living and being slaughtered by disease and cancer, or we can research and find cures to these diseases and operate on a few babies. There are some forms of stem cell research on babies, that DOESN'T kill it, but might have some negative effects on it, though I wouldn't know what happens. I don't believe in abortion, but this isn't abortion. Abortion is killing the baby during the pregnancy, but this. THIS can be the answer to cures for cancer and disease and many other conditions. No, this, this is killing the baby after it has seen its first light. Yay! No this is not being a moron with their head up their [wagon] wanting to save every single child when you know you can't. Ponies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pl ... _stem_cell http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 1858a.html This is the real exciting stuff as far as adult stem cells are concerned - reverting them to an embryonic like state. It's relatively recent research, too. Hopefully we can find a way around the problems associated with using viruses as a delivery system. It seems they're a problem for a viable form of gene therapy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 After all if we can use dead people to further the lives of the people who are still alive (cookie if you get the reference) why not do it? Hm... Soylent Green? :lol: It has a lot of potential, though people are going to want to see progress before it stops being demonized to hell and back. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastortoise Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 1858a.html This is the real exciting stuff as far as adult stem cells are concerned - reverting them to an embryonic like state. It's relatively recent research, too. Hopefully we can find a way around the problems associated with using viruses as a delivery system. It seems they're a problem for a viable form of gene therapy as well. Proof that the Bush administration actually had it's good sides. Their ban on embryonic stem cell researched forced scientists to do studies like those mentioned in warrior's post. Embryonic stem cells aren't very common, so adult cell conversion back to stem cells solves this limitation. I'm all for embryonic stem cell research as well though. I don't understand why people have the idea that scientists are evil people who rob newborns and turn them into stem cell smoothies with their blender in the lab. Their source of stem cells come from either aborted fetuses or from the embryos not chosen after an IVF & genome test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 ^ I suggest Next by Michael Crichton. More or less about that. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle229 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I'm fine with it, as long as the baby wasn't going to be born anyway. As in, having a baby just to abort it is bad, salvaging a baby that wouldn't have a life anyway is fine. Get back here so I can rub your butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 This controversy is obsolete. No one is going to bother harvesting embryonic stem cells when they are only available for 10 days during the development of an embryo. The Bush administration's ban on federal funding for that type of research forced scientists to look for other methods of creating pluripotent cells, and they found them. You can reprogram them from hair. A billion times easier and without the sticky ethical issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 1858a.html This is the real exciting stuff as far as adult stem cells are concerned - reverting them to an embryonic like state. It's relatively recent research, too. Hopefully we can find a way around the problems associated with using viruses as a delivery system. It seems they're a problem for a viable form of gene therapy as well. Proof that the Bush administration actually had it's good sides. Their ban on embryonic stem cell researched forced scientists to do studies like those mentioned in warrior's post. Embryonic stem cells aren't very common, so adult cell conversion back to stem cells solves this limitation. I'm all for embryonic stem cell research as well though. I don't understand why people have the idea that scientists are evil people who rob newborns and turn them into stem cell smoothies with their blender in the lab. Their source of stem cells come from either aborted fetuses or from the embryos not chosen after an IVF & genome test. I wouldn't go so far as to praise Bush for the way research has turned out. He obviously did it for ethical reasons, not because he thought adult stem cells were a more promising research prospect. Having said that, in a roundabout kind of way there have been some positive outcomes for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baalboy5 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I say go for it, it's just another way for people to play God. :| Don't you know the first rule of MMO's? Anyone higher level than you has no life, and anyone lower than you is a noob. People in OT eat glass when they are bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I say go for it, it's just another way for people to play God. :| It depends how and for what these stem cells help for...I know we can cure cancer with it (least in theory?) but can we predetermine baby's eye, skin, hair colour, etc? "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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