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There are things in the game players are unsure about and even when looking at Knowledgebase for information there is still not a answer to the questions.

 

 

 

Here are some i have come across of, they are mainly items:

 

 

 

Ring of wealth

 

How does it work, shouldn't Jagex be specific about it?

 

 

 

Void set+Salve amulet

 

Do they stack? I have tested it and i do not find them stacking.

 

 

 

Dragon slayer gloves and Black mask/Slayer helm

 

Do they stack?

 

 

 

Drop rates

 

Abyssal whip is 1 in 400 (If i am wrong ignore it, it's not important), yet a Rune kite at Abyssal demons is even rarer!

 

 

 

The drop rate is somewhere between 1 in 500 to 1 in 1500. That's crazy many kills for a Rune kite! Something like that makes us all confused about what ring of wealth will affect.

 

 

 

When i check Knowledgebase all i get is confusing answers and it pretty much pisses me off. I hate that i have to use a ring that is supposedly give me more wealth when it's hard to say where it is good at and where it is not.

 

 

 

I have a idea of what monsters it is good on, but i can't say for sure specific on what items.

 

 

 

I hope that Tip.it will ask for more information from Jagex about things us in this community are unsure about.

 

 

 

P.S If you have something that your confused about and Jagex's Knowledgebase does not give you answers to, then add it to your post and i will add it to list.

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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.

 

 

 

I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.

 

 

 

With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

 

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

 

With BOTH my max was 34

 

 

 

I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.

 

 

 

Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack


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dont they have the ring of wealth info on the knowledge base? they talk about some kind of wheel


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dont they have the ring of wealth info on the knowledge base? they talk about some kind of wheel

 

It's a very cryptic description.

 

 

 

Personally, I've found that the ring of wealth doesn't tend to help unless the drop in question is about 100k+. I rarely use it anymore apart from when I'm soloing bosses with good loot (DKs/GWD etc) or occasionally at mages and abyssal demons.


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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.

 

 

 

I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.

 

 

 

With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

 

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

 

With BOTH my max was 34

 

 

 

I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.

 

 

 

Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack

 

That's strange as i did a test of it, but i will test again then.

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Ring of wealth

 

How does it work, shouldn't Jagex be specific about it?

 

 

 

Jagex has already specified about how it works.

 

It doesn't increment the drop rate of rare drops. The chances of getting, I don't know, let's say a Dragon skirt at iron dragons are the same with or without it, but with ring of wealth, it's more likely to get dragon platelegs or visage instead of dragon skirt.


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Jagex already stated how the ring of wealth works... basically when you kill a monster, two wheels are spun. The first wheel represents the rarity of the drop, and the second wheel represents items categorized by the first wheel. For example, if the first wheel lands on "rare" at GW, then the second wheel will roll and it can land on D med, GS shard, hilt, etc. The ring of wealth increases the chance of getting a rarer drop on the second wheel. So, the ring of wealth doesn't increase your chances of getting a rare item; rather, it increases your chances of getting a valuable rare item (i.e. hilt instead of shard).

 

 

 

source: http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=375


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Why is Jagez confusing players

 

 

 

it's fun figuring out things yourself, does Jagez really have to hold your hand with everything?

 

 

 

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Dragon Slayer gloves and black/slayer helmet stack

 

I second that. They didn't when they were released, but were changed later to do so.


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Jagex already stated how the ring of wealth works... basically when you kill a monster, two wheels are spun. The first wheel represents the rarity of the drop, and the second wheel represents items categorized by the first wheel. For example, if the first wheel lands on "rare" at GW, then the second wheel will roll and it can land on D med, GS shard, hilt, etc. The ring of wealth increases the chance of getting a rarer drop on the second wheel. So, the ring of wealth doesn't increase your chances of getting a rare item; rather, it increases your chances of getting a valuable rare item (i.e. hilt instead of shard).

 

 

 

source: http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=375

 

And also on KB it says that it increases chance of a rare drop and rare drop was defined as being something they don't drop to often.

 

 

 

Hilt drop rates are very high , being somewhere around 1 275 at Saradomin boss, 1 in 375 at Armadyl etc..

 

 

 

How can you say ring of wealth increases the chance of a valuable rare? The bosses are incredible hard to kill. And KB says items that they don't seldom drop, and my interpretation of it is items such as dragon boots, Mystic bottom, etc

 

 

 

As for that Guthix information page, it's kinda talking in mystery.

 

 

 

Jagex has not CLEARLY said how ROW works. They talk in a way that it makes you confused what they mean.

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Jagex already stated how the ring of wealth works... basically when you kill a monster, two wheels are spun. The first wheel represents the rarity of the drop, and the second wheel represents items categorized by the first wheel. For example, if the first wheel lands on "rare" at GW, then the second wheel will roll and it can land on D med, GS shard, hilt, etc. The ring of wealth increases the chance of getting a rarer drop on the second wheel. So, the ring of wealth doesn't increase your chances of getting a rare item; rather, it increases your chances of getting a valuable rare item (i.e. hilt instead of shard).

 

 

 

source: http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=375

 

And also on KB it says that it increases chance of a rare drop and rare drop was defined as being something they don't drop to often.

 

 

 

Hilt drop rates are very high , being somewhere around 1 275 at Saradomin boss, 1 in 375 at Armadyl etc..

 

 

 

How can you say ring of wealth increases the chance of a valuable rare? The bosses are incredible hard to kill. And KB says items that they don't seldom drop, and my interpretation of it is items such as dragon boots, Mystic bottom, etc

 

 

 

As for that Guthix information page, it's kinda talking in mystery.

 

 

 

Jagex has not CLEARLY said how ROW works. They talk in a way that it makes you confused what they mean.

 

Whips are rare at abyssal demons right? 1 in 400.

 

But you're saying armadyl hilt drop rate is pretty high, yet 1 in 375?

 

 

 

They are rare drops, and Jagex would be sure to make it for you to have a better chance at getting these items while wearing the ring. Otherwise it would just be useless, which isn't the way Jagex made it. I guess what I'm trying to say is other monsters' wheels are probably designed for the expensive and useful items, like whips and hilts and the like, to be made easier to get while wearing the ring.


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Jagex already stated how the ring of wealth works... basically when you kill a monster, two wheels are spun. The first wheel represents the rarity of the drop, and the second wheel represents items categorized by the first wheel. For example, if the first wheel lands on "rare" at GW, then the second wheel will roll and it can land on D med, GS shard, hilt, etc. The ring of wealth increases the chance of getting a rarer drop on the second wheel. So, the ring of wealth doesn't increase your chances of getting a rare item; rather, it increases your chances of getting a valuable rare item (i.e. hilt instead of shard).

 

 

 

source: http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=375

 

And also on KB it says that it increases chance of a rare drop and rare drop was defined as being something they don't drop to often.

 

 

 

Hilt drop rates are very high , being somewhere around 1 275 at Saradomin boss, 1 in 375 at Armadyl etc..

 

 

 

How can you say ring of wealth increases the chance of a valuable rare? The bosses are incredible hard to kill. And KB says items that they don't seldom drop, and my interpretation of it is items such as dragon boots, Mystic bottom, etc

 

 

 

As for that Guthix information page, it's kinda talking in mystery.

 

 

 

Jagex has not CLEARLY said how ROW works. They talk in a way that it makes you confused what they mean.

 

Whips are rare at abyssal demons right? 1 in 400.

 

But you're saying armadyl hilt drop rate is pretty high, yet 1 in 375?

 

 

 

They are rare drops, and Jagex would be sure to make it for you to have a better chance at getting these items while wearing the ring. Otherwise it would just be useless, which isn't the way Jagex made it. I guess what I'm trying to say is other monsters' wheels are probably designed for the expensive and useful items, like whips and hilts and the like, to be made easier to get while wearing the ring.

 

Yes i understand but how can KNOW what drop rate is RARE?

 

 

 

It's all very confusing.

 

 

 

Here's why.

 

 

 

Ring of wealth at Spiritual warrirors is great (They drop rune hally,long, kite often) ...so the ring increases the chance.

 

 

 

But at a Abyssal demon a Rune kite supposedly the ROW makes drop more at Spiritual warriors, is almost never dropped.

 

 

 

So i don't get it.

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Perhaps the rune kite is still on the first wheel, but in a very small section? There's no way to know any of this for sure, it's best to either have faith in it and use it all the time or think it's a load of crap and never wear it.


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I do use it. I am just simply saying i wish the numbers involving ROW was laid out so we know how it works fully.

 

 

 

Rather going on assuming it.

 

 

 

It's confusing like i said, so i don't know what to say.

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All hilts have the same drop rates.


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Dragon: Dragon Platelegs x2 , Dragon Plateskirt x2, Dragon Boots x38, Dragon Med Helm x4, Shield left half x3

Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2.

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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.

 

 

 

I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.

 

 

 

With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

 

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

 

With BOTH my max was 34

 

 

 

I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.

 

 

 

Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack

 

i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates

 

 

 

they DO NOT stack


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I know for a fact that Void stacks with the Salve amulet, at least the damage part, I'm not so sure about whether the accuracy stacks.


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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.

 

 

 

I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.

 

 

 

With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

 

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

 

With BOTH my max was 34

 

 

 

I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.

 

 

 

Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack

 

i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates

 

 

 

they DO NOT stack

 

 

 

Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).

 

 

 

Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.


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In my opinion we shouldn't be spoon fed the information, but given clues and cryptic messages to decode. That's how Jagex does it, and that's what they're good at above everything else. The clues and puzzles about information are always entertaining and require a bit of creativity.

 

 

 

But the information that you're talking about isn't confusing or cryptic. Put logical reasoning in with any of those items and you'll have your answer.

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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.

 

 

 

I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.

 

 

 

With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

 

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

 

With BOTH my max was 34

 

 

 

I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.

 

 

 

Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack

 

i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates

 

 

 

they DO NOT stack

 

 

 

 

 

Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).

 

 

 

Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.

 

 

 

How on earth does bonus stacking relate to xp anyway?

 

 

 

Sure if you tank out str bonus equipment so tht u can hit like 15 damage higher than u culd do without the str bonus you're gonna see a big xp increase.

 

But void and salve stackting ur looking at a gain of 2 - 3 max hit and a gain in accuracy whihc means it is more effective but the overall impact on xp rates isn't gonna be super duper huge.

 

 

 

And oh wow really you trained for a whole 24 hours? That really disapproves the fact I spent 2 weeks at about 6 - 8 hours a day training with the set up and consistently hit numbers that are 100% impossible to hit with my setup unless both bonuses were taking effect.


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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.

 

 

 

I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.

 

 

 

With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

 

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

 

With BOTH my max was 34

 

 

 

I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.

 

 

 

Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack

 

i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates

 

 

 

they DO NOT stack

 

 

 

 

 

Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).

 

 

 

Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.

 

 

 

How on earth does bonus stacking relate to xp anyway?

 

 

 

Sure if you tank out str bonus equipment so tht u can hit like 15 damage higher than u culd do without the str bonus you're gonna see a big xp increase.

 

But void and salve stackting ur looking at a gain of 2 - 3 max hit and a gain in accuracy whihc means it is more effective but the overall impact on xp rates isn't gonna be super duper huge.

 

 

 

And oh wow really you trained for a whole 24 hours? That really disapproves the fact I spent 2 weeks at about 6 - 8 hours a day training with the set up and consistently hit numbers that are 100% impossible to hit with my setup unless both bonuses were taking effect.

for things like this, 24 hours is generally enough to prove is they stack or not. i have seen j mods quote that they do not stack. i NEVER saw an increase in a max in it, i was actually hitting LOWER using both

 

 

 

and how does xp rates relate to stacking? wellllll durrrrrrrrrrrr, if they stack, you hit harder and mroe often = faster exp. did that even really need to be said though?


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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.

 

 

 

I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.

 

 

 

With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

 

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

 

With BOTH my max was 34

 

 

 

I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.

 

 

 

Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack

 

i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates

 

 

 

they DO NOT stack

 

 

 

 

 

Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).

 

 

 

Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.

 

 

 

How on earth does bonus stacking relate to xp anyway?

 

 

 

Sure if you tank out str bonus equipment so tht u can hit like 15 damage higher than u culd do without the str bonus you're gonna see a big xp increase.

 

But void and salve stackting ur looking at a gain of 2 - 3 max hit and a gain in accuracy whihc means it is more effective but the overall impact on xp rates isn't gonna be super duper huge.

 

 

 

And oh wow really you trained for a whole 24 hours? That really disapproves the fact I spent 2 weeks at about 6 - 8 hours a day training with the set up and consistently hit numbers that are 100% impossible to hit with my setup unless both bonuses were taking effect.

for things like this, 24 hours is generally enough to prove is they stack or not. i have seen j mods quote that they do not stack. i NEVER saw an increase in a max in it, i was actually hitting LOWER using both

 

 

 

and how does xp rates relate to stacking? wellllll durrrrrrrrrrrr, if they stack, you hit harder and mroe often = faster exp. did that even really need to be said though?

 

 

 

The increase from both as I stated is marginal so it doesnt have a huge impact on xp rate.

 

 

 

But they do stack


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Void and slave do stack thank you very much.

 

 

 

I have done trianing and checke my stats and setup etc.

 

 

 

With JUST void bonus my max hit was 31

 

with JUST slave (e) my max was 32

 

With BOTH my max was 34

 

 

 

I hit several 33s and 34s during about 2 weeks of training.

 

 

 

Therefore it is 100% conclusive they stack

 

i have trained with void+salve many times and i never get more exp together, than i do with just salve. i have done probably 24 hours training OR MORE with salve and maybe 15 together and have never had higher exp rates

 

 

 

they DO NOT stack

 

 

 

 

 

Tested it when I first got full void, noticed a few higher hits that I never got with just salve (e).

 

 

 

Also to OP, if you had questions about these things then you can use the help and advice forum to seek the answers.

 

 

 

How on earth does bonus stacking relate to xp anyway?

 

 

 

Sure if you tank out str bonus equipment so tht u can hit like 15 damage higher than u culd do without the str bonus you're gonna see a big xp increase.

 

But void and salve stackting ur looking at a gain of 2 - 3 max hit and a gain in accuracy whihc means it is more effective but the overall impact on xp rates isn't gonna be super duper huge.

 

 

 

And oh wow really you trained for a whole 24 hours? That really disapproves the fact I spent 2 weeks at about 6 - 8 hours a day training with the set up and consistently hit numbers that are 100% impossible to hit with my setup unless both bonuses were taking effect.

for things like this, 24 hours is generally enough to prove is they stack or not. i have seen j mods quote that they do not stack. i NEVER saw an increase in a max in it, i was actually hitting LOWER using both

 

 

 

and how does xp rates relate to stacking? wellllll durrrrrrrrrrrr, if they stack, you hit harder and mroe often = faster exp. did that even really need to be said though?

 

 

 

The increase from both as I stated is marginal so it doesnt have a huge impact on xp rate.

 

 

 

But they do stack

all my evidence has pointed to the contrary. can we just a gree to disagree and get over it?

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With all 99 combat stats its no wonder u didn't notice the difference.

 

 

 

Weapons cap out at a certain damage (Atleast i recall reading somewhere that they do)

 

 

 

So for the most part at all 99s you're not gonna gain higher hits from the double stack as the weps can't hit higher


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