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[Wisp]

Yeah, in that case the simple method is probably better. It is a well known fact that unemployment expands to meet the full quota of slack within a system.

 

(Capital*(Population in Millions * Land/500))

 

1000*(800*(6600/500)=1000*(800*13.2)= 1000*10560=10,560,000 PP would be your maxium. So with Doom's outragous limits you could have 528,000 stations.

Wait, what? I never even mentioned any system like that. You were the one who made that formula.

 

Anyways, here are my population/budget stats.

Earth:

Population: 3.1 Billion

Budget: 6.5 Trillion

 

Tefarn:

Population: 400 Million

Budget: 1 trillion

 

Well, my PP system was around first then Archi decided to do his own thing. Each of my stations per year could put out 20 battleships, or 2 heavys. That's way more than 20 feet of steel. Your system just made PP's worth way less.

[archimage_a]

Wait, what? I never even mentioned any system like that. You were the one who made that formula.

Well we need to do something and I can't ignore you so...

 

Well, my PP system was around first then Archi decided to do his own thing. Each of my stations per year could put out 20 battleships, or 2 heavys. That's way more than 20 feet of steel. Your system just made PP's worth way less.

 

Given that your system wasn't explained anywhere I felt it neccessary.

[Wisp]

Wait, what? I never even mentioned any system like that. You were the one who made that formula.

Well we need to do something and I can't ignore you so...

 

Well, my PP system was around first then Archi decided to do his own thing. Each of my stations per year could put out 20 battleships, or 2 heavys. That's way more than 20 feet of steel. Your system just made PP's worth way less.

 

Given that your system wasn't explained anywhere I felt it neccessary.

Well you can't make up a system and say it was mine,and that it's outrageous or something.

 

My system is just this:

Each station takes 4000 PP to build.

With large amounts of work on the ground, it can be built in 10 years, though it takes about 1 trillion.

Each station gives 200 pp

 

See, that way there isn't really a limit on stations, but in my opinion there doesn't need to be. No one is gonna be getting thousands of stations around a single planet within a year or so real time.

[archimage_a]

I don't know, I came pretty close in Eos. If I just let it run wild then I could have been turning out a hundred stations a turn.

 

In my system stations take 12 years, the station puts out 1,000 PP but requires 9,800 PP to build. Small stations take 2 years to build and put out 300 PP in exchange for 1600 PP input.

But there is a limit of resource strength to factor in. Though clearly with large planets with large populations its not really important.

 

PP is also worth less than under Doom's system.

 

Economics are largely ignored...because they are basically ignored in this game.

[Wisp]

That's just because you gave your stations different values than mine, you made it so a station 50% better was 1/3rd of the cost per PP, and a station 5 times better was about half the cost per pp.

 

If I were to only build stations for the next 50 years I would end up with: 768 stations. That's assuming each station starts building another station immediately. Admittedly that's a lot of stations, but I wouldn't be able to afford that anyway.

 

Economics are mostly ignored because it's impossible to keep track of, or appropriately price anything. For example, the price of raw materials would be way less than what it was on earth, due to asteroid mining.

[RpgGamer]

Additionally male child baring has been made open source.

 

Men can now have kids(provided the planet provides the faciliites)

 

 

Male reproduction is not cost efficient. And it would only cause morale questioning in my nation. Such technology is denied from my society, however my scientists will look into how the pregnancy tanks work, mostly out of curiosity.

 

While digging random holes for fun in Malawi, many fossils were discovered. Most were same old same old, like raptors and large bugs. But scientists have relaized a potential in these petrified behemoths. A small section of Madagascar has been fenced off for a special cloning experiment....

[archimage_a]

Ok then lets standardise.

What modules do the stations have on them?

 

Male reproduction is not cost efficient. And it would only cause morale questioning in my nation

Somehow I expected you to frown on the concept. =P

[Wisp]

Ok then lets standardise.

What modules do the stations have on them?

Perhaps it would just be easier to say that the stations are essentially unarmored, and it costs 20 pp per pp/year if that makes sense. So you could have a giant station that puts out 50,000 pp per year, but it would cost 1 million PP to build. If people want to add on armor/whatever they can pay that much extra PP per station.

 

Oh, and rpg, I'm way ahead of you on animal cloning. Human cloning is still unused, however, but I haven't thought about cloning any long extinct species, only endangered ones to keep them from extinction, and once during WWV or whatever I considered weaponizing some animals.

 

Hmm, it occurs to me I still have the Mexican Virus from over a century ago kicking around in a lab somewhere. Could be useful, eventually.

[archimage_a]

I prefer the resources(RU) idea. It cuts out the economics aspect and means that you can only(Well theoretically you could build around a tiny planet but it would not be cost effective) build large bases around large, populated, planets.

The 20-1 idea is reasonable, I just don't like it because it means that if someone destroyed all your stations you would have to start from the beginning again, even if you still had all your planets.

 

Its a relatively simple formula and allows for the module idea to work(Which is unfeasible under your system because the point values are so low, though we could deal in decimals but that would just be asking for trouble...when a 0.0000002 PP worth laser becomes 2 PP because a decimal point was missing in a spreadsheet. Far easier to deal with big numbers.)

 

Also if someone is using a different type of generator or has researched a more advanced fabricator/workshop/hanger then the 20-1 thing goes out the window.

[Wisp]

I prefer the resources(RU) idea. It cuts out the economics aspect and means that you can only(Well theoretically you could build around a tiny planet but it would not be cost effective) build large bases around large, populated, planets.

The 20-1 idea is reasonable, I just don't like it because it means that if someone destroyed all your stations you would have to start from the beginning again, even if you still had all your planets.

 

Its a relatively simple formula and allows for the module idea to work(Which is unfeasible under your system because the point values are so low, though we could deal in decimals but that would just be asking for trouble...when a 0.0000002 PP worth laser becomes 2 PP because a decimal point was missing in a spreadsheet. Far easier to deal with big numbers.)

 

Also if someone is using a different type of generator or has researched a more advanced fabricator/workshop/hanger then the 20-1 thing goes out the window.

Maybe we could just do the following changes:

 

Sort planets into categories, like undeveloped colony, developed colony, undeveloped high population, developed population. Undeveloped=bad infrastructure, low gdp, possibly after a war tore apart the planet. Developed is the opposite. Colony is a low population planet, high population is 200m+

We could have a maximum limit of stations per planet type, 10 for undeveloped, 20 for developed, 50 for undeveloped, 200 for developed, or something like that.

Then, if it makes it easier for you we can make each station give 10x more points, but everything costs 10x more. Or something like that.

Oh, and for your last point, I use percentage bonuses. Like due to having cold fusion, robotized production, advanced nanotubes and so on, I get a 36% net bonus per station.

[Guest Mrmegakirby]

agents have been sent in to retech's system to collect the mutated YO15 virus. Purification tablets have been thrown into the water of Erika, that contain anti-biotics developed over 50 years to combat the YO15 virus. The water should no longer contain any traces of the virus within a year or so.

[archimage_a]

I don't really like the idea of 'highly developed' planets. A highly developed farm planet is not going to produce metal for ships to be made out of...added to that it would take hours to go though all the planets and update them to Upper/Lower and whatever other standard of colony, and then different people would see planets at different levels and it would all go horribly wrong very quickly.

 

Then you have the Retech problem, s/he can overpopulate a planet extremely quickly.

 

Ideally what I would like is a system that was easy for people to use and easy to spot where mistakes have been made. The cult of secracy which surrounds each nation makes it neigh impossible for me to correct production until some weeks later, when it is far too late.

 

Thus I need to make me avalible to you without actually having you talk to me(Which is bad because I like talking/typing), as well as a way of checksumming things.

 

But whatever, its too late to argue about this kind of thing. Doubtlessly we shall argue about it again in the future. For the time being continue to use which ever system you like the look of. Doom and her one off payment that just keeps giving, or my planet-station balancing act.

[Nero]

Doom where are your people from Aplha Centauri heading? They're welcome in any of my systems ('cept for Holmgard and Yggdrasil - since those people are crazy).

[The Dark Lord]

Doom where are your people from Aplha Centauri heading? They're welcome in any of my systems ('cept for Holmgard and Yggdrasil - since those people are crazy).

 

If I'm not mistaken, she's shipping them off to Tefarn.

[Wisp]

I don't really like the idea of 'highly developed' planets. A highly developed farm planet is not going to produce metal for ships to be made out of...added to that it would take hours to go though all the planets and update them to Upper/Lower and whatever other standard of colony, and then different people would see planets at different levels and it would all go horribly wrong very quickly.

 

Then you have the Retech problem, s/he can overpopulate a planet extremely quickly.

 

Ideally what I would like is a system that was easy for people to use and easy to spot where mistakes have been made. The cult of secracy which surrounds each nation makes it neigh impossible for me to correct production until some weeks later, when it is far too late.

 

Thus I need to make me avalible to you without actually having you talk to me(Which is bad because I like talking/typing), as well as a way of checksumming things.

 

But whatever, its too late to argue about this kind of thing. Doubtlessly we shall argue about it again in the future. For the time being continue to use which ever system you like the look of. Doom and her one off payment that just keeps giving, or my planet-station balancing act.

I'll try to think of a system that incorporates your ideas into mine, but is still simple enough that its not a major pain for everyone to do on their own.

 

Doom where are your people from Aplha Centauri heading? They're welcome in any of my systems ('cept for Holmgard and Yggdrasil - since those people are crazy).

For now they're gonna just stay in warp till after the battle is over. If I lose Centauri, they'll head to Tefarn. If not, they'll head back to Centauri. Unless you have an immediate need for your transports, in which case I could drop them off on Earth or something.

[Nero]

For now they're gonna just stay in warp till after the battle is over. If I lose Centauri, they'll head to Tefarn. If not, they'll head back to Centauri. Unless you have an immediate need for your transports, in which case I could drop them off on Earth or something.

Could you drop them off on Earth for the time being? I may need the transports for the battle (distractions, mass boardings, etc). I'll send whatever is left of them your way to use after all this mess has been sorted out.

[Nero]

For now they're gonna just stay in warp till after the battle is over. If I lose Centauri, they'll head to Tefarn. If not, they'll head back to Centauri. Unless you have an immediate need for your transports, in which case I could drop them off on Earth or something.

Could you drop them off on Earth for the time being? I may need the transports for the battle (distractions, mass boardings, etc). I'll send whatever is left of them your way to use after all this mess has been sorted out.

 

Then you have the Retech problem, s/he can overpopulate a planet extremely quickly.

I have a higher growth rate than Retch :P

 

OHHH NINJA DOUBLE POST WAT

[Wisp]

For now they're gonna just stay in warp till after the battle is over. If I lose Centauri, they'll head to Tefarn. If not, they'll head back to Centauri. Unless you have an immediate need for your transports, in which case I could drop them off on Earth or something.

Could you drop them off on Earth for the time being? I may need the transports for the battle (distractions, mass boardings, etc). I'll send whatever is left of them your way to use after all this mess has been sorted out.

Alright. They'll be emptied onto Earth, and then back ready for your use in maybe... a year and a half. I think that's about right.

[The Dark Lord]

[hide=Britannian History]After the Crises that arose during 2009, the United Kingdom and Ireland remained separate. The United Kingdom was ruled by four lords: one in Wales, one in England, one in Scotland, and one in North Ireland. During this rather uneventful period, the economy and infrastructure continued to be improved, and nations formed new diplomatic alliances.

 

Twenty years later, a new government was formed after an imperial 'revolution' in Ireland (which was peaceful and only happened because of some crises within the Irish state) in which an absolute monarch was selected. King John of Ireland ascended to the new Irish throne located in Dublin. The Kingdom of Eire (or sometimes referred to as the "Green Kingdom") was born.

 

Ironically, the King was of Anglo-Irish descent, however, his elimination of the psychotic murders committed by the Irish Republic Army, the annexation of the United Kingdom, and his diplomatic work in Germany proved him to be a worthy and benevolent dictator who had what was best for Ireland at his heart. However, the King renamed the nation to 'Britannia' in order to make good the terms that were demanded by the powerless royal family that resided in England.

 

Canada and Iceland were about to become part of the Britannian Empire until Germany and Russia blitzkrieged through Europe and toppled Britannia's allies from the European Confederation. Luxembourg, Britannia's most prized ally, was obliterated and exiled to its African colonies. However, Britannia was spared from the psychotic murders committed by the German and Russian empires. Iceland was lost, and Canada was the least of the Britannian government's concerns.

 

Canada was finally annexed years later as part of a North American treaty between Russia, Germany (then called Germania), and the Brazilian Empire. Things went well for Britannia, and Britannia finally became an ally of Germania.

 

However, this peace could not last for long. World War IV broke out as nations that were either toppled, betrayed by Germany, or allies of those who were toppled sought retribution for Germania's crimes. Later that year (after declaration), Aether, formerly known as Iran, invaded Canada in an attempt to prevent the Britannian Empire from declaring war on the Holy Alliance (as they called themselves). The war ended when the Holy Alliance had dissent among its members, causing them all to pull out of the war. Germania agreed to cease its imperial ambitions (unless peaceful). Not long after World War IV, Findenland, a member of the Holy Alliance, declared war on the world due to its leader becoming insane. As a plague was unleashed upon Europe and the Americas, the Holy Alliance (along with Germania's allies) and the Brazilian Empire invaded Findenland and reduced it into a state of desolation.

 

The alliance between Britannia and Germany was later destroyed after Germany became the Terran Federation and created policies that formed distrust between the two powers. This initiated the Cold War. Britannia at this time was the head of the New World Order, an alliance that replaced the Holy Alliance. Due to Britannia's alleged betrayal, the Terran Federation began to become increasingly anti-British.

 

The Fifth World War finally broke out after Russia's government collapsed, provoking the Britannian occupation of the region (which had annexed the Japanese Empire years before and laid claim to be the largest populated empire on Earth). After a military coup, King John III of Britannia became the Tsar-Emperor of Russia, creating the Civil War (also known as the War of Ascension). At this time, the Holy Empire of Jerusalem, a member of the New World Order, became a protectorate of the Britannian Empire. The Terran Federation was furious.

 

Millions of lives were lost during this World War, including the British Isles. Britannia soon lost its African colonies. After the heroic Battle of Britain, Germany finally occupied the region. However, the Britannian Empire sought revenge by using large minefields and defensive fortifications, which were successful at slaughtering the large Terran invasion forces that were sent into Russia, and the Britannian Empire was able to push into Scandinavia and near Germany. The Britannian campaign into North America through the Bering Straights also proved to be effective by conquering Alaska and a fourth of Canada (Canada was traded with Brazil in exchange for half of Africa).

 

Finally, after the threat by an off-world power, the System of Free Worlds, the Britannian Empire evacuated off of Earth to its colony in the Sega-Res system, Britanniae (an Earth-like world/realm). After this threat, an intellectual revolution was peacefully successful, and Britannian politics were finally dominated by the Humanists and the Tories (imperialists). While the remaining 2.5 billion population shifted to Britanniae, Britannian society became more tolerant, and the economy was drastically improved. Alchemy (using particle accelerators) was used as a way to produce gold from lead without destroying the environment with gold mining. Society became egalitarian, and homosexuals and heterosexuals were both tolerated, which sparked a significant increase in the number of people who claimed to be homosexual or bisexual. Domestic Britannian policy closely resembles socialism, and Britannians are interested in trade, wealth, and knowledge.

 

The Holy Empire of Jerusalem was finally annexed into the Britannian Empire (which became known as the Holy Empire of Britannia) after the Holy Empire's leader became ill and died. King John III was finally released from a prisoner of war camp in Berlin as part of an agreement between the Terran Federation and Britannia; he later died of natural causes on the paradise colony of Eden on the planet Zhoreuc in the Ominlife system.

 

Currently, the Holy Britannian Empire continues to conduct research and exploration on Kajea, the second Britannian realm (Earthlike world), and Gaia, an Earth-like moon of Kajea.

 

*The Holy Britannian Empire is NOT to be confused with the antagonistic empire from Code Geass.*[/hide]

 

I think I might actually have more information on my wiki page than TFed, lol.

[Nero]

'Tis a good history. The last one you did was a bit, erm, bendy with the truth hehe.

[Aeon_]

Flashlight is finished!

 

Prism lasers-4/10

[The_Mather1]

[spoiler=Income]Taxes

Human

170 000 000 000

50 000

30 %

2 550 000 000 000 000

 

Jaffa

2 800 000

60 000

25 %

42 000 000 000

 

Goa'uld

3 000

1 500 000

10 %

450 000 000

 

Loan

1 500 000 000

5 %

75 000 000

 

Building company

Apartements

5 000

30 000

40 %

60 000 000

 

Townhouses

2 500

75 000

40 %

75 000 000

 

Farms

900

125 000

40 %

45 000 000

 

Mansions

1 500

1 000 000

40 %

600 000 000

 

Pyramids

50

5 000 000

40 %

100 000 000

 

Skyscrapers

100

1 000

40 000

40 %

1 600 000 000

 

Trade

Ring transporters

500 000

 

Naguadah bars

1 000 000

 

Drone sets

2 000 000 000

 

Tel'tac cargoships

5 000 000 000

 

 

Sales

Ross

500 000 000

 

Archi

1 000 000

 

 

Income

2 550 045 506 000 000

 

Budget

10 %

255 004 550 600 000

 

 

As you see I start building skyscrapers in order to have enough space for my people.

[Retech]

Why does everyone ignore my invasion of Japan? It was relatively important. :(

 

 

 

Oh Dusty, you do realize that your population doubles ever 2 years, right?

[Aeon_]

Why does everyone ignore my invasion of Japan? It was relatively important. :(

 

Do you have any military things to do on Earth? If you don't, it doesn't matter.

[Retech]

I don't have anything military to do on Earth, but it was a small part of history. :)