How Easy Do You Want It?

[Troacctid]

Exactly! So why change what works? If its not 'a big deal' then why do people keep asking for the shortcuts? Obviously for some it is a big deal, and their impatience means they get bored easily and want to level up faster and easier. I still say if you don't like it do something else. Your example of hunting red chinchompas is good, as it is so unnecessary to hunt them unless you particularly wish to level up fast and easy. I would say....go hunt something else that is more enjoyable if it bores or irritates you. But 'heaven forbid'! that might mean it will take longer to get to 99 or make the next 500 mill! :shock:

 

Because changing them would make the game better? And because, as Mod Vince talked about when announcing the "Upgrade Year" project, little things add up, and you can get a lot out of intuitive and user-friendly interfaces.

 

 

 

You know at least 3 who have posted on this thread alone, never mind all those I talk to when I am *cough* 'grinding', who are also happily slogging their time away on skills that give them pleasure and make them money.

 

I wasn't talking about grinding in general. I was talking about the mundane minor inconveniences of things like:

 

• [*:1l5ukl3y]The rubberbanding backtrack effect while running
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]The redundancy of the original Grand Exchange interface
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]The slow response time of combat familiars
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]The way a foraging familiar interrupted what you were doing to generate items
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]Having to go through a long dialogue for each individual elf crystal you recharge, so that before you can finish the inventory, Islwyn has already packed up camp and left
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]Going through long dialogues with characters like Bill Teach instead of right-clicking them

 

...And so on.

 

 

 

I don't know anybody who really enjoyed that crap, do you? Seriously. How is this stuff not all upside? :|

[Troacctid]

Exactly! So why change what works? If its not 'a big deal' then why do people keep asking for the shortcuts? Obviously for some it is a big deal, and their impatience means they get bored easily and want to level up faster and easier. I still say if you don't like it do something else. Your example of hunting red chinchompas is good, as it is so unnecessary to hunt them unless you particularly wish to level up fast and easy. I would say....go hunt something else that is more enjoyable if it bores or irritates you. But 'heaven forbid'! that might mean it will take longer to get to 99 or make the next 500 mill! :shock:

 

Because changing them would make the game better? And because, as Mod Vince talked about when announcing the "Upgrade Year" project, little things add up, and you can get a lot out of intuitive and user-friendly interfaces.

 

 

 

You know at least 3 who have posted on this thread alone, never mind all those I talk to when I am *cough* 'grinding', who are also happily slogging their time away on skills that give them pleasure and make them money.

 

I wasn't talking about grinding in general. I was talking about the mundane minor inconveniences of things like:

 

• [*:1l5ukl3y]The rubberbanding backtrack effect while running
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]The redundancy of the original Grand Exchange interface
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]The slow response time of combat familiars
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]The way a foraging familiar interrupted what you were doing to generate items
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]Having to go through a long dialogue for each individual elf crystal you recharge, so that before you can finish the inventory, Islwyn has already packed up camp and left
   
  [*:1l5ukl3y]Going through long dialogues with characters like Bill Teach instead of right-clicking them

 

...And so on.

 

 

 

I don't know anybody who really enjoyed that crap, do you? Seriously. How is this stuff not all upside? :|

[Erewhon2]

I wasn't talking about grinding in general. I was talking about the mundane minor inconveniences of things like:

 

 

 

* The rubberbanding backtrack effect while running

 

* The redundancy of the original Grand Exchange interface

 

* The slow response time of combat familiars

 

* The way a foraging familiar interrupted what you were doing to generate items

 

* Having to go through a long dialogue for each individual elf crystal you recharge, so that before you can finish the inventory, Islwyn has already packed up camp and left

 

* Going through long dialogues with characters like Bill Teach instead of right-clicking them

 

 

 

...And so on.

 

I can see your points on the areas above, particularly as they have no direct relation to skill development, but are mostly to do with programming. This is however a change in direction for you, and while I am gratified that you now appear to support my stand point. I am not sure that you appreciate the fact that you have completely changed the direction of your debate.

 

hopping worlds for ten minutes to find an empty red chinchompa spot

If some aspect of the game is boring or otherwise crappy, that is a bad thing.

 

The changes are largely to get rid of stupid annoying things like having to click each bone individually to the ectofuntus grinder.

If grinding is skillful, how are you defining skill? Because anyone can grind. If grinding takes skill

and I can go on........

 

I hope that you can now see that for some the 'grinding' and 'boring' bits are as much part of the game as anything else and as enjoyable, especially for relaxation. And 'shortcutting' them to make things faster or easier because some people don't like it, is not on in my books!

[Troacctid]

I can see your points on the areas above, particularly as they have no direct relation to skill development, but are mostly to do with programming. This is however a change in direction for you, and while I am gratified that you now appear to support my stand point. I am not sure that you appreciate the fact that you have completely changed the direction of your debate.

 

[hide=]

hopping worlds for ten minutes to find an empty red chinchompa spot

If some aspect of the game is boring or otherwise crappy, that is a bad thing.

 

The changes are largely to get rid of stupid annoying things like having to click each bone individually to the ectofuntus grinder.

If grinding is skillful, how are you defining skill? Because anyone can grind. If grinding takes skill

[/hide]and I can go on........

 

I hope that you can now see that for some the 'grinding' and 'boring' bits are as much part of the game as anything else and as enjoyable, especially for relaxation. And 'shortcutting' them to make things faster or easier because some people don't like it, is not on in my books!

 

It's only a change in direction for the thread in general. My stance on the main issue is still the same as I posted it back on the first page. In fact, I've been referring to those same kinds of updates even since way back then. Proof:

 

Skills are mostly grinding-based, and updates that make skills, as you say, "easier," are primarily aimed at taking the grinding out of grinding. There are actually two main categories of update that have this impact, those being interface improvements like cook-x, and totally new training methods like minigames.

 

 

 

The first type is hardly something you can resent Jagex updating. A good interface is integral to a good game. Remember how you put in a new offer when the Grand Exchange first came out? If you wanted to buy something, you had to click on the box you wanted to use, click the box to say you wanted to buy something rather than sell, and then click the magnifying glass to begin your search. Thanks to an update, all three steps have been condensed into one click. That sort of streamlining is nearly always an improvement.

 

Key points:

• 
   
  [*:1zo9gzxa]The updates that do make skills easier are the primarily interface-based small tweaks. (Yes, within my definition of "easier.")
   
  [*:1zo9gzxa]For most of those updates, it's very difficult to complain about them; in fact, they tend to be the least controversial updates.

 

 

 

Can you give specific examples of that kind of upgrade that negatively impacted your experience of the game by making it faster or easier?

[Erewhon2]

troacctid wrote:

 

Skills are mostly grinding-based, and updates that make skills, as you say, "easier," are primarily aimed at taking the grinding out of grinding.

Well you know my stand point on supposed 'grinding' by now. I understand your previous point about direct interface improvements, that have no relation to skill development and don't have a problem with that. I still have a problem with the fact that because some players don't like certain aspects of the game, instead of avoiding that skill, they still want to '99' it! And want the tedium removed, irrespective of others who enjoy it the way it is.

 

 

 

* The updates that do make skills easier are the primarily interface-based small tweaks. (Yes, within my definition of "easier.")

See above.

 

 

 

 

Can you give specific examples of that kind of upgrade that negatively impacted your experience of the game by making it faster or easier?

 

One of my key arguments is for variety, the example of "smoking kills", gave variety to slayer and that was a good thing. I have given examples before...and its not about negative impact, its about how far does it go? How easy to people want the game to be? My examples of unnecessary and unbalanced updates would be: Noted crops, auto refill for ectofunctus, Pyramid Plunder, rest stops (I worked hard for my agility so I didn't take so long to recover, and admittedly loved every minute of it :thumbup: ), godswords, bandos.

[Expl0de]

I agree that the game shouldn't be as easy as people seem to want it. However, it is just that - a game. It shouldn't be an exercise in futility (I'm looking at YOU, mining). As far as Agility and the Rest Stops update, I completely understand that. That's gotta suck.

[Adellund]

I don't see why things should be easy in the first place...

 

I actually enjoyed collecting 3,500 Coal and 1,750 Iron ore back in Classic, where there was no such thing as beasts of burden, easy transportation of ores or even RUNNING for that sake..

 

My opinion: commit Arson upon the G.E, nerf the game back to the pre-historic, almost archaic, status it had before; it was actually more fun back then.

[Guest jrhairychest]

I don't see why things should be easy in the first place...

 

I actually enjoyed collecting 3,500 Coal and 1,750 Iron ore back in Classic, where there was no such thing as beasts of burden, easy transportation of ores or even RUNNING for that sake..

 

My opinion: commit Arson upon the G.E, nerf the game back to the pre-historic, almost archaic, status it had before; it was actually more fun back then.

 

Exactly. Some of us enjoy doing this stuff. well said.

[Guest jrhairychest]

 

Just thought I'd share something funny that a guy said outside draynor bank in regards to how the WC updates and how it affected his thoughts on his own 99 cape. Shows his thoughts on such updates.

[quelmotz]

 

Show me something that I said about you that isn't true.

 

 

 

Children don't know how to step away from a fight and let the other party win. You're the one doing so. I've already stopped arguing with you, yet you press on.

 

 

 

I believe Erewhon2 pointed this out to you:

 

 

 

My opinion is what I said above. Can't you read?

 

Too bad, so what if I don't give an opinion? What are you going to do? Kill me?

 

Seriously, shut up with your sense of "superiority" just because you have high levels in some stupid skills. You've said it yourself - anyone can debate, so shut up.

 

Ok, you win your stupid argument. Go and gloat about it.

 

Or are you such a sore loser that you have to have the "easier" topic so you can "win" the debate more easily?

 

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

 

I'll just say it here - you're too stubborn.

 

Just because you got your 99s or whatever stats the "old" way

 

I'm saying just because you got your crappy stats the "old" and "harder" way

 

Looks like you never checked the dictionary before you started spouting nonsense eh? You don't need to have cancer to know it's bad.

 

Will you shut the hell up with your ad hominems?

 

And how many freaking times must I say: I DO NOT WANT IT EASY.

 

Really, how many times do I have to repeat myself to drill the point into your thick skull?

 

Now you're effectively praising the no-lifers and people who play on the computer hours.

 

Are you really that freaking dumb?

 

I can't believe you don't have enough common sense to understand what I'm saying.

 

 

 

 

You're saying that all of this is not personal attacks on people? Please feel free to show me where I have personally attacked you. If pointing out your lack of game experience and asking you to explain points is a personal attack then you're being very sensitive about this issue. Please feel free to debate Erewhon2's debate points but at least come up with justifications to your points rather than making them and when someone disagrees with you don't attack them. <img src='http://forum.tip.it/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eusa_shhh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':-$' />

 

Oh the irony. Claiming I'm being too sensitive when you quote things like

 

this "Now you're effectively praising the no-lifers and people who play on the computer hours."

 

and "Looks like you never checked the dictionary before you started spouting nonsense eh? You don't need to have cancer to know it's bad."

 

and "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

 

AND "My opinion is what I said above. Can't you read?"

 

AND last but not least "Just because you got your 99s or whatever stats the "old" way"

 

and call them "personal attacks". Amazing.

 

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Anyway, I'm done with this issue. Reply if you want, I don't care.

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I don't see why things should be easy in the first place...

 

I actually enjoyed collecting 3,500 Coal and 1,750 Iron ore back in Classic, where there was no such thing as beasts of burden, easy transportation of ores or even RUNNING for that sake..

 

My opinion: commit Arson upon the G.E, nerf the game back to the pre-historic, almost archaic, status it had before; it was actually more fun back then.

 

My opinion: The game wasn't more fun then. It was tedious and boring. Everything took longer than it should have taken in an online game. A game is about fun, not tedium and grinding skills. There's no way to revert back to the old game. Not that Jagex would do it EVEN IF there was a way to do it anyway, too many people would complain. Face it, the majority of people are lazy and they don't want to skill and grind and do other tedious stuff. They want to have fun. Unfortunately, you're in the minority, and in my honest opinion, Jagex isn't going to change a thing back to its prehistoric state regardless of how much you complain and whine.

 

I emphasise that it is MY OPINION, so don't flame me for disagreeing with your opinion.

[quelmotz]

Just shut the hell up.

 

It's a free website. You have no right to say that I can't post here just because I don't play RuneScape anymore.

 

Oh wow, I decided not to waste more of my time grinding away at some virtual stats in an online game. Anything wrong with that? For your information, I happen to have other things to do other than wasting my life away trying to get some stats that will be gone in time anyway, UNLIKE you.

 

The forums would be so much better without trolls like you who don't have anything to do other than try and insult people and force your stupid opinion on them.

[Youmu]

The game certainly is easier than it was before, but in my opinion, I think it's better.

 

Keeping your run energy full was practically impossible before the resting/musicians update. The GE benefited trading, big time. No more standing in a bank, yelling "sellin law rune 1k!!!" for 30 minutes.

 

Btw, quelmotz, I play the game and raise my stats, because it's fun. I do not think it is tedious. If it were, I wouldn't even be playing this game. The top F2P players were invited by Jagex to visit their company, so it's not like you are "wasting your time" gaining virtual levels. Hell, I can even say Pokemon is a waste of time, because all you do is train virtual monsters and gaining unreal levels.

 

If you enjoy the game, it totally is worth it. I know it is your opinion, but you don't have to go on and say it's pointless. This, unfortunately, can stress your opinion as a fact.

[quelmotz]

The game certainly is easier than it was before, but in my opinion, I think it's better.

 

Keeping your run energy full was practically impossible before the resting/musicians update. The GE benefited trading, big time. No more standing in a bank, yelling "sellin law rune 1k!!!" for 30 minutes.

 

Btw, quelmotz, I play the game and raise my stats, because it's fun. I do not think it is tedious. If it were, I wouldn't even be playing this game. The top F2P players were invited by Jagex to visit their company, so it's not like you are "wasting your time" gaining virtual levels. Hell, I can even say Pokemon is a waste of time, because all you do is train virtual monsters and gaining unreal levels.

 

If you enjoy the game, it totally is worth it. I know it is your opinion, but you don't have to go on and say it's pointless. This, unfortunately, can stress your opinion as a fact.

 

Yes, so what if the TOP F2P players only were asked to tour Jagex's company? Is it worth the effort for a tour? In my honest and frank opinion, NO.

 

I don't find raising stats fun. It's quite tedious and boring after getting past some point. I stress that it's my opinion and you have every right to disagree. But I get damned irritated when people try to impose their opinion that the game isn't hard and that I'm a person with no persistence, etc etc on me.

[Youmu]

The game certainly is easier than it was before, but in my opinion, I think it's better.

 

Keeping your run energy full was practically impossible before the resting/musicians update. The GE benefited trading, big time. No more standing in a bank, yelling "sellin law rune 1k!!!" for 30 minutes.

 

Btw, quelmotz, I play the game and raise my stats, because it's fun. I do not think it is tedious. If it were, I wouldn't even be playing this game. The top F2P players were invited by Jagex to visit their company, so it's not like you are "wasting your time" gaining virtual levels. Hell, I can even say Pokemon is a waste of time, because all you do is train virtual monsters and gaining unreal levels.

 

If you enjoy the game, it totally is worth it. I know it is your opinion, but you don't have to go on and say it's pointless. This, unfortunately, can stress your opinion as a fact.

 

Yes, so what if the TOP F2P players only were asked to tour Jagex's company? Is it worth the effort for a tour? In my honest and frank opinion, NO.

 

I don't find raising stats fun. It's quite tedious and boring after getting past some point. I stress that it's my opinion and you have every right to disagree. But I get damned irritated when people try to impose their opinion that the game isn't hard and that I'm a person with no persistence, etc etc on me.

I'm not saying that you have no persistence. In fact, leveling up Prayer is such a pain in the [wagon] for me, I don't even try now.

 

However, it's true that the game gets easier and easier over time. For example, Runecrafting is much less tedious now thanks to the addition of resting and musicians. That is why people say the game is less hard now, than as it used to be.

 

I see the tour thing as another Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

[Guest jrhairychest]

Just shut the hell up.

 

It's a free website. You have no right to say that I can't post here just because I don't play RuneScape anymore.

 

Oh wow, I decided not to waste more of my time grinding away at some virtual stats in an online game. Anything wrong with that? For your information, I happen to have other things to do other than wasting my life away trying to get some stats that will be gone in time anyway, UNLIKE you.

 

The forums would be so much better without trolls like you who don't have anything to do other than try and insult people and force your stupid opinion on them.

 

Reminds me of a spat of a child who plays a game, is not very good then takes his ball away and says "its rubbish I didn't want to play anyway". Very easy to call me a troll when all you do is post mainly in the rants forum about a game you claim is rubbish and don't play anymore. Grow up and stop being a pathetic child.

[quelmotz]

Just shut the hell up.

 

It's a free website. You have no right to say that I can't post here just because I don't play RuneScape anymore.

 

Oh wow, I decided not to waste more of my time grinding away at some virtual stats in an online game. Anything wrong with that? For your information, I happen to have other things to do other than wasting my life away trying to get some stats that will be gone in time anyway, UNLIKE you.

 

The forums would be so much better without trolls like you who don't have anything to do other than try and insult people and force your stupid opinion on them.

 

Reminds me of a spat of a child who plays a game, is not very good then takes his ball away and says "its rubbish I didn't want to play anyway". Very easy to call me a troll when all you do is post mainly in the rants forum about a game you claim is rubbish and don't play anymore. Grow up and stop being a pathetic child.

 

Very easy to insult people huh?

 

So what if I'm not good at the game. It's boring anyway. You remind me of some no-lifer criticising everyone who doesn't play the game as much as you do or gives the game up. It's a free world. I can do what I want as long as it's not illegal, and not playing a damned computer game isn't illegal.

[Erewhon2]

 

So what if I'm not good at the game. It's boring anyway. You remind me of some no-lifer criticising everyone who doesn't play the game as much as you do or gives the game up. It's a free world. I can do what I want as long as it's not illegal, and not playing a damned computer game isn't illegal.

 

Yes you are right, you cannot be stopped from posting on this Runescape fan site, but why are you still posting here? You dislike Runescape, don't play it anymore and rant endlessly on both on the debate threads and the rants about Runescape. I fail to see how your opinions hold any weight now. Cetainly with regard to this thread, that is about the current gameplay, you have made it abundantly clear that Runescape is not for you....so go away! :---)

[Gudi]

GE = Every merchanters worst nightmare...

 

Constantly changing prices are not good for merchanting. Despite making predictions about prices and making profits every so often, merchanting before trade limits and GE was quicker and more fun, but also required a fair amount of knowledge and competition with others.

 

For example, going to edgeville bank and buying hundreds of beserker helms for 35k each (which could also be negociated to 45k, with a little effort) and selling them for 50k each was an amazing way to make money. It also helped people out by giving a constant supply of beserker helms without having to make an annoying trip to the GE and so people can get a quick sell and still a reasonable price for their loot. The GE may provide a similar service, but it means that people are competing with hundreds of other sellers. If someone has a huge supply of an item and is selling for just 1gp under the other persons price, they could go for hours without selling their loot. Or alternatively be forced to sell it for low or minimum price.

[Sir_Kurity]

GE is great for merchanting.

 

No more standing in varrock west bank and square, which by the way was a real lagfest back in the day, trying to sell your stuff for 50k more. Typing it out again and again... And again, and then people trade you, you put it up, ask for money, they walk away....

 

GE is great.

[Youmu]

GE is great for merchanting.

 

No more standing in varrock west bank and square, which by the way was a real lagfest back in the day, trying to sell your stuff for 50k more. Typing it out again and again... And again, and then people trade you, you put it up, ask for money, they walk away....

 

GE is great.

Agreed.

 

Btw, before trade limits, there were loads of scammers as well. So, trade limits is actually better, even though I do not trade thanks to the awesomeness that is the GE.

[quelmotz]

 

So what if I'm not good at the game. It's boring anyway. You remind me of some no-lifer criticising everyone who doesn't play the game as much as you do or gives the game up. It's a free world. I can do what I want as long as it's not illegal, and not playing a damned computer game isn't illegal.

 

Yes you are right, you cannot be stopped from posting on this Runescape fan site, but why are you still posting here? You dislike Runescape, don't play it anymore and rant endlessly on both on the debate threads and the rants about Runescape. I fail to see how your opinions hold any weight now. Cetainly with regard to this thread, that is about the current gameplay, you have made it abundantly clear that Runescape is not for you....so go away! :---)

 

It's a DAMNED FREE WORLD SO WILL YOU PEOPLE SHUT THE HELL UP? CAN'T I DO SOMETHING WITHOUT PEOPLE SCREAMING THAT I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO IT OR IMPOSING THEIR STUPID OPINION ON ME?

 

Seriously...

[Youmu]

It's a DAMNED FREE WORLD SO WILL YOU PEOPLE SHUT THE HELL UP? CAN'T I DO SOMETHING WITHOUT PEOPLE SCREAMING THAT I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO IT OR IMPOSING THEIR STUPID OPINION ON ME?

 

Seriously...

Jrhairychest and Erewhon2 thinks you have no opinion, just because you are semi-retired. Either that, or they do it for lulz.

 

If that is the case, then why don't they say that to just about everybody who does not play Runescape anymore?

 

Speaking of which, the main reason of why people quit is because of so much updates. Many people whine about how easy the game became, and how awful the game will be in the future. Why can't those people learn to appreciate the game as it is, instead of ranting and ranting pointlessly in the RSOF rants?

[armourdilo]

While I do agree that in some respects the game has become a little bit too easy, in regards to cooking and fletching - note I don't have level 99 in either, let alone any stats, I'm just relying the basis of what other people have said and the fact that there are so many 99s in those skills - I also believe that these easier means make the game that bit more enjoyable. There needs to be a starting point for players. The best place for starting on level 99 stats are these easy ones. They give players a feel for them and boosted confidence when dealing with getting a more difficult skills to that "magic" double digit. I also agree that there must be an aspect of difficulty in the game as well. For example we still have skills such as Runecrafting and slayer. These skills require perseverance, resourcefulness and knowledge of how the game works. They also yield a greater reward.

 

Without these easier skills we'd also have nothing to compare hard ones with, without them, there'd be nothing amazing about slayer or Runecrafting.

 

Finally, some of these aren't just for the sake of being easy, it's for convenience's sake. Take the grand exchange for example, who really wants to wait around spamming into a sea of text, only to be traded by someone whom clearly knows nothing about the item you're selling? Frankly, I'm happier without it. I don't want to wait around doing stuff I don't like - I want to play. I want to be able to test out my new max hit with that godsword sooner, rather than later, don't you?

[Gudi]

GE is great for merchanting.

 

No more standing in varrock west bank and square, which by the way was a real lagfest back in the day, trying to sell your stuff for 50k more. Typing it out again and again... And again, and then people trade you, you put it up, ask for money, they walk away....

 

GE is great.

 

Then you obviously were not very good at merchanting.

 

With small amounts of cash (3m - 4m) you could double your money in a day simply merchanting rune sets. With the GE you would be lucky to make 500k in a day with 3m - 4m.

 

GE is bad for real merchants.

[Billy Key]

For those that like the game easy there is also the problem that making some things easier makes other things alot more difficult to the point where they maybe aren't possible, as a person who takes part in clan wars regularly the creation of the druidic robes and the rc gloves and rc staves with their higher bonuses for F2P, while making things easier for binders, have made it alot tougher for the people being attacked. Jagex actually removed the 20 minutes of run and the bonuses of agility from F2P which in my mind made warring better as it was one of the things that made F2P easier for P2P people in F2P and that was wrong in my mind.

 

Things like over powering weapons to the point where people are just looking for ko's in P2P have ruined mini games like Castle Wars (I spent nearly all of my time while I was on RS at Castle Wars between Summer 05 to Summer 06) and have made them alot less interesting, it is easier for people to kill people but the effect it has on the minigame is to make it a case of lucky hits as opposed to skill of any sort. The team with the most gs's/d claws and ancients is the team that will probably come out on top. I haven't been to Castle Wars regularly since June 2006 and I have no wish to anymore.

 

But Jagex think they need to update things and to them that seems to mean exaggerating everything with every update. For instance what good is a new rune weapon if you can just get a whip, you have to make something that will excite people and so you have to aim higher and that is where you get the god swords and the dragon weapons with over powered specials.

 

Then you have the GE which has been mentioned, I don't mind the GE (although I miss Luciens) but I don't make use of it at all, all the merchanting that it seems to have encouraged is something that I don't like particularly but then I am not interested in gp so merchanting is something that I can't really imagine doing myself.

 

Problem is you used to have to know how to do things to be good at something in RS, when I was at Castle Wars I got to around 2k tickets using rune, blue dragonhide and a dragon longsword mostly because I knew what i was doing but then it came to the point where knowing how to play the game wasn't enough and having items was everything and I think that is where we are today and I think it is a shame. Things have been made too easy in certain scenario's for sure and that has led to the game being ruined for some people who were here before all the updates and nice new pixels.