H1N1 Vaccine

[Sbrideau]

I watch a show every sunday where they talk about some researches that are done, and yesterday they were talking about H1N1. Apparently it's much more inoffensive than H5N1(bird flu) since porks are more similar to the humans than birds, and that it was only a medium between the bird and the human, making the virus already something that the body could recognize more than if it was directly from birds. Yes, most of the A type flu comes from birds, even the seasonal flu. At least that's what they said in that scientific show.

[venomai]

I'm shocked at the level of ignorance and stupidity coming from this thread. Don't ever trust the government? Vaccines don't work? H1N1 isn't something to worry about?

 

Vaccines are extremely important not just for your own sake, but for the sake of those around you. The more people that skip out on vaccines, the more those people are endangering the rest of society.

 

Wired - How Panicked Parents Skipping Shots Endangers Us All

[hide]... This isn’t a religious dispute, like the debate over creationism and intelligent design. It’s a challenge to traditional science that crosses party, class, and religious lines. ...

 

Consider: In certain parts of the US, vaccination rates have dropped so low that occurrences of some children’s diseases are approaching pre-vaccine levels for the first time ever. ... In states where [opting out] is allowed, 2.6 percent of parents did so last year, up from 1 percent in 1991, according to the CDC. In some communities, like California’s affluent Marin County, just north of San Francisco, non-vaccination rates are approaching 6 percent ...

 

That may not sound like much, but a recent study by the Los Angeles Times indicates that the impact can be devastating. The Times found that even though only about 2 percent of California’s kindergartners are unvaccinated (10,000 kids, or about twice the number as in 1997), they tend to be clustered, disproportionately increasing the risk of an outbreak of such largely eradicated diseases as measles, mumps, and pertussis (whooping cough). The clustering means almost 10 percent of elementary schools statewide may already be at risk.

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In May, The New England Journal of Medicine laid the blame for clusters of disease outbreaks throughout the US squarely at the feet of declining vaccination rates ...

 

“I used to say that the tide would turn when children started to die. Well, children have started to die,” Offit says, frowning as he ticks off recent fatal cases of meningitis in unvaccinated children in Pennsylvania and Minnesota. “So now I’ve changed it to ‘when enough children start to die.’ Because obviously, we’re not there yet.”

 

Before smallpox was eradicated with a vaccine, it killed an estimated 500 million people. And just 60 years ago, polio paralyzed 16,000 Americans every year, while rubella caused birth defects and mental [developmentally delayed]ation in as many as 20,000 newborns. Measles infected 4 million children, killing 3,000 annually, and a bacterium called Haemophilus influenzae type b caused Hib meningitis in more than 15,000 children, leaving many with permanent brain damage. Infant mortality and abbreviated life spans — now regarded as a third world problem — were a first world reality.

 

Today, because the looming risk of childhood death is out of sight, it is also largely out of mind, leading a growing number of Americans to worry about what is in fact a much lesser risk: the ill effects of vaccines. If your newborn gets pertussis, for example, there is a 1 percent chance that the baby will die of pulmonary hypertension or other complications. The risk of dying from the pertussis vaccine, by contrast, is practically nonexistent — in fact, no study has linked DTaP (the three-in-one immunization that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis) to death in children. Nobody in the pro-vaccine camp asserts that vaccines are risk-free, but the risks are minute in comparison to the alternative.[/hide]

 

 

The difference with H1N1 is that it has a tendency to affect healthier, younger people. This means students are at higher risk; not just because of their age but because of the crowded environment they reside in.

 

Swine flu has different effects on different people. For many, it may be no worse than any other flu, but for some, it can be deadly -- even with no prior conditions.

[nerdboyxxx]

They're a bit late aren't they? -.-

[H2PM]

Its not that I dont trust the government, im too lazy to do all that conspiracy crap anyways, I'm just going to wait a few years intill they get a good solid vaccination, not just something that was jumbled up in a few months.

[venomai]

The vaccine isn't going to change any time soon. Many clinical trials have been conducted[1][2], some on-going[3][4], that support its effectiveness as-is.

 

Waiting a few years defeats the purpose of vaccination.

[Azvareth]

To add to what venomai said ealier, and it's one problem I have with people who refuse to take the vaccine - on grounds that are completely divorced from reality, no less - is that, while to you it may be no worse than the seasonal flu, you could potentially spread it to someone from a high-risk group. Especially since it spreads much easier than the regular flu. To me, that is patently selfish.

[Drazhor]

I don't feel like the vaccine was developed long enough so the side effects from it could be horrible if you react badly to it; and i also think that injecting a bit of the virus into people who would have underlying health conditions could create chaos if it somehow in the slightest chance spreads.

It they took longer to have came up with the vaccine it would have shown they had took longer to develop it properly; just my views on it.

[Racheya]

I don't feel like the vaccine was developed long enough so the side effects from it could be horrible if you react badly to it; and i also think that injecting a bit of the virus into people who would have underlying health conditions could create chaos if it somehow in the slightest chance spreads.

It they took longer to have came up with the vaccine it would have shown they had took longer to develop it properly; just my views on it.

Any vaccine can have horrible side effects, like a one in a million chance of them though.

 

And vaccines WORK by giving a dead form of the virus so your immune system can recognise it. The reason diseases such as Meningitis can be so deadly is because it takes around three days for your immune system to develop antibodies to fight it. By the time that happens, you're already dead. By giving you a dead version, it can make the antibodies before you get it. Meaning when you get it, you can fight it off immediately. There is no real sort of health risk from it, the virus is dead, it isn't going to travel to anybody else. In fact it's much worse if you don't have the vaccine, get Swine Flu, then give it to someone else.

 

I'm going to get it, as soon as I get the letter through with the date.

[Rebdragon]

When did people become this stupid about medicine? I'd never heard of people denying the validity of vaccinations before. I mean, that's like telling Einstein he doesn't get physics. You're basically telling the doctors who developed this that you think you're smarter than them, that you know that, despite their PhD and your lack of one, you know what's best medically.

 

I'm sorry, but can you people not breed? Thanks.

[PumpkinPete112]

When did people become this stupid about medicine? I'd never heard of people denying the validity of vaccinations before. I mean, that's like telling Einstein he doesn't get physics. You're basically telling the doctors who developed this that you think you're smarter than them, that you know that, despite their PhD and your lack of one, you know what's best medically.

 

I'm sorry, but can you people not breed? Thanks.

Wow that was kind of rough, people are entitled to their opinions at least, even if they are stupid.

 

Update: Still not getting the vaccine, the Swine isn't going to kill me, neither will the regular flu.

[Racheya]

When did people become this stupid about medicine? I'd never heard of people denying the validity of vaccinations before. I mean, that's like telling Einstein he doesn't get physics. You're basically telling the doctors who developed this that you think you're smarter than them, that you know that, despite their PhD and your lack of one, you know what's best medically.

 

I'm sorry, but can you people not breed? Thanks.

Wow that was kind of rough, people are entitled to their opinions at least, even if they are stupid.

 

Update: Still not getting the vaccine, the Swine isn't going to kill me, neither will the regular flu.

Maybe a bit harsh, but from some of the stuff here I have to agree with Reb. Don't you think that with the spotlight on the Swine Flu Jab right now, the companies are going to want to make extra sure it works so they don't look incompetent? It's just medicine and they wouldn't be distributing it if it didn't work.

 

I think anyone in the high risk groups really should get it. Even if you just have asthma like me, if you're not high risk then maybe you can skip it, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

[Sam]

it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

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[RpgGamer]

it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

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I don't think you understand the "[/thread]". is it safer to take a vaccine that may or may not be safe, or risk it out in the open against the feared H1N1? Personally, I think I'm better off fighting off H1N1 the way I have been for the entire epidemic. But I got volunteered to get the immunization, so I guess I'm getting it anyway.

 

There is't really a "safe" choice.

[indy500fan]

it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

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I don't think you understand the "[/thread]". is it safer to take a vaccine that may or may not be safe, or risk it out in the open against the feared H1N1? Personally, I think I'm better off fighting off H1N1 the way I have been for the entire epidemic. But I got volunteered to get the immunization, so I guess I'm getting it anyway.

 

There is't really a "safe" choice.

 

There is nothing unsafe with this vaccine (more than normal vaccines, which is a very very small percentage).

 

EDIT: The above line might be confusing, I am saying there is nothing wrong with this vaccine that isn't wrong with every other flu vaccine, which is that a very very small amount of people may get a fever from them.

[brunokiller]

Its contents are fully the same compared to earlier flu vaccines, with the exception of some changed antigenes(Proteins on the outside of the virus, which change every year. With vaccination your body will quickly remember this because the vaccine simulated the virus and be able to rid the virus very quickly).

 

So no they are (probably) not more dangerous than earlier vaccines.

 

But I guess the virus probably won't kill a healthy adult so you shouldn't fear the virus too much.

[warri0r45]

When did people become this stupid about medicine? I'd never heard of people denying the validity of vaccinations before. I mean, that's like telling Einstein he doesn't get physics. You're basically telling the doctors who developed this that you think you're smarter than them, that you know that, despite their PhD and your lack of one, you know what's best medically.

 

I'm sorry, but can you people not breed? Thanks.

Wow that was kind of rough, people are entitled to their opinions at least, even if they are stupid.

 

Update: Still not getting the vaccine, the Swine isn't going to kill me, neither will the regular flu.

 

He didn't say people weren't entitled to an opinion, he just said they're largely stupid opinions. I have to say that he's right.

[Sbrideau]

Still, this is just a repeat of the bird flu, the seasonal flu will still kill more people than the swine flu. I agree on the fact that at least the people in risk groups should get it, and even if I'm getting it, I'm just getting it so that I don't suffer and stay in the bed having H1N1 as I cannot afford losing classes at college.

[Racheya]

Still, this is just a repeat of the bird flu, the seasonal flu will still kill more people than the swine flu. I agree on the fact that at least the people in risk groups should get it, and even if I'm getting it, I'm just getting it so that I don't suffer and stay in the bed having H1N1 as I cannot afford losing classes at college.

I got my letter though, I'll be getting it in 2 weeks.

 

It's the same for me really. I have a resit of my Sociology exam (E last summer, fml) and I can't afford to miss it. I screwed up my last one because I had a cold, knowing my luck I'd get the flu, and since I've been vaccinated for the normal flu: I'd get swine flu.

 

I'm really not worried about the vaccination, I trust the medicine and the people that made it.

[jjrox32]

I don't think I could get it even if I wanted to. I'm about as far from a high-risk group as possible and there's already major shortages around here.

[RpgGamer]

UPDATE:

I got the vaccine, and the major survey results will be in next week. I got the nasal spray thing, despite my cynacism. My eyes burns, and my sinus aren't functioning properly. Other than that, I feel alright. I'll update first post when survy results come in

[The Dark Lord]

UPDATE:

I got the vaccine, and the major survey results will be in next week. I got the nasal spray thing, despite my cynacism. My eyes burns, and my sinus aren't functioning properly. Other than that, I feel alright. I'll update first post when survy results come in

 

Nasal sprays usually mess up your sinuses. The injection also burned a lot more than normal flu vaccinations do.