If you don't get it then something tells me you never will...

Anyways ty for killing the game Arch =D>

Because it's not like the game would have died eventually anyways. Because nobody would ever have done anything like what happened.

I believe that was why there was a moderator, in order for them to say 'No, you can't do that, as it'll break the game'. Instead, Arch just decided that since he didn't like Retech he'd let Retech virus bomb the planet and get everyone mad at him.

 

Zz

That absurd story made me chuckle.

I believe that was why there was a moderator, in order for them to say 'No, you can't do that, as it'll break the game'. Instead, Arch just decided that since he didn't like Retech he'd let Retech virus bomb the planet and get everyone mad at him.

 

Actually I spent the best part of the 'crisis' trying to convince Retech not to Virus Bomb the world, going so far as to ignore instructions until he catagorically stated 'And please, no more things about how my soldiers refuse. I'll just keep looking until I find the most sadistic group of soldiers if I have to, like the people who WANT to mass-murder people.'

 

I didn't really see that I had grounds to do anything else...since starting a civil war in Japan would have been completely ripped to shreads by everyone as me 'hating Retech'...so I kept him fully informed of what would probably happen, he said he was quiting and so didn't really care...but naturally if I had said 'Retech is going to quit so we will ignore the attacks' people would have freaked out at me 'You can't get rid of players!!!'

Options on that? Have people scream at me, or have people scream at me...or just respond to what people say, and leave all the game balancing stuff to Sere.

 

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This is basically a last-ditch attack. If it doesn't succeed, then I guess that's it for me (well at least the reconquista of South Korea and Indonesia).

 

Here's the plan for my attack on Italy and Australia. No map needed, since it's pretty self explanatory.

 

Stratos Jets fire bomb Australian, Italian, and if Turkey intervenes, Turkish agriculture. The basic goal is to set their forests on fire, and to cripple all their food producing industries.

 

Invasion is really quite simple. All the forces newly constructed (basically replaces losses in the war), carriers stationed in the Phillipines, and forces in Malaysia surround the Southern rim of Indonesia that was invaded, and beat up the enemy navies. Then they blockade everything going in, and bomb military targets (like forts not inside cities). This navy is roughly 20 battlegroups in size. (20 super carriers, 2k planes, 200 destroyers, 100 frigates). The population of Guinea is advised to rise up against their Australian oppresors, since Australia is with Turkey in incinerating fellow Asians and relatives (they probaly have relatives in Tokyo, with the cultural mixing and stuff) with ICBMs.

 

Meanwhile, 10 battlegroups of the fleet that was formerly stationed in South Korea counter attack. The planes basically bomb supply lines of the North Koreans, while roughly 200,000 amphibious troops with extra arms land near the 38th parallel (after the bombing), cutting off the North Korean troops from their homeland. Then the North Koreans are asked to get back over to their own land, and return South Korea. If not, then the 200,000 troops push into South Korea and begin fighting the North Korean forces, with lots and lots of aerial support, while preventing attack from the back using excessive bombings which would virtually incinerate any attacking forces.

 

 

If that fails, or the invasion fails (I will send that shortly with a map), then "samurai", or basically soldiers under direct command of the emporer and not part of the military, pilot Stratos Jets to drop Anthrax spores on all major cities in all enemy countries, including the suburbs and stuff Rocco was talking about (like since it's an aerosol, it has pretty big dispersal, so basically all of Turkey if it intervenes, Italian major cities, and Australian major cities, including Guinea. The population of these Australian major cities add up to 80%+ of their population. This is a last ditch resort, and I'll tell you the invasion plan shortly.

 

Oh yes, and long-ranged cruise missles filled with anthrax payloads are fired randomly all over Australia, Italy, and Turkey. This is to frighten their population, since anywhere could be a place where anthrax is present. These strains of anthrax that are being launched if the invasion or fire bombing fails to do any decent damage (like forcing them to a peace, or at the very least kicking them out of Indonesia and getting me back South Korea) are some of the deadliest in the world, and have a mortality rate of about 90-95%, depending on conditions. They are extremely hardy like most anthrax, and can live from decades to centuries in dormant form.

 

Oh, the reasons the Japanese emporer gives for the anthrax. It shouldn't matter either way, as these samurai are ridiculously and fanatically loyal (not to mention they are a bit brainwashed, in the old fashion way), but ya know, they are reasons given to the people of Japan, an hour after anthrax attacks have concluded.

 

-Japan is being attacked be three enemy powers

-Two nations of the Federation have been invaded

-ICBMs are being used against Japan

-No allies will come in support of Japan

-UN only critisizes Japan for using anthrax, while not doing anything in regards to Turkey.

 

Oh yah, and the Japanese POWs in Indonesia are urged to attempt every way to escape, including rising up against their captors, to preserve their honor. Otherwise, they are advised to commit Seppeku.

 

Ok....So the plan is:

Destroy Australia's, Italy's, Turkey's Agriculture Via Stratos Jet Fire Bombing

Assuming you are not invading Indonesia since that is being 'held' by the UN until elections and such can be held...which is the long winded way of saying they are still GOING to be in the Federation, unless you do something to turn them against you.

Guinea will not rise up against Australia, since Australia hasn't actually done anything, as of yet anyway...and has been flooded with propaganda about how Japan attacked Australia...ect, ect....Basically they are Apathetic about the thing because they are...

Attacking North Korea is probably not terribly sensible, since they were perhaps the only country, other than yourself, with the capacity to launch chemical weapons enmass, but if you like.

Antharax will probably get out of hand and end up devestating the planet, hence why I am apprehensive about launching the attacks without you being fully aware of what will happen.

I doubt it will frighten the population...any more than going into a school and shooting up people's children, would frighten them...they have already lost everything, so whats the point in going on living when the manics who did it are still out there....course thats if they are still alive, which is unlikely.

-UN only critisizes Japan for using anthrax, while not doing anything in regards to Turkey.

Such as? The UN cannot do anything to Turkey since it is not a member...Apart from a war, which no one wants.

Seppeku

It seems unlikely...primarily because the war, to their mind, will not end with the invasion of Japan, thus it is only Japan's urge to reconquer territories lost...so either they will succeed, or they will fail and the POWs will be returned...either way staying alive seems like a better option....Also these are not brain washed troops, thus they are not going to kill themselves without cause.

 

I'll keep Hegemony posts on here

 

 

 

I wasn't exactly sure about what you meant about Indonesia. Anyways, I think that North Korea would give South Korea back to Japan, because they are pretty much the only friends that North Korea has, and North Korean systems of government don't exactly mesh well with South Korea. They'd probaly have to deal with domestic unrest and protests daily, considering South Koreans were just dropped to abject poverty, from their Japanese quality of life they held before (everyone basically went sorta up. Japanese people stayed where they were. South Koreans went up to Japanese. Indonesians are part way to South Korean living standards. Malaysia is moving up to Singaporean, which is pretty much tied with Japanese.

 

Since I was kicked out of the UN, they can't do anything about me either, right?

 

 

 

Anyways, anthrax doesn't spread that much, at least in its weaponised state. It generally stays around where it was dropped. Besides, the anthrax was a last resort thing where since I basically refuse to give up Indonesia and my other territories in the Federation, I would rather go all out and destroy everyone that harmed me instead of taking a quiet life as Japan.

 

Korea-

http://en.wikipedia....#Postwar_period

South Vietnam probably enjoyed the American period...then it ended.

 

UN-

Depends, if you go genocidal then they will probably declare war, otherwise they probably won't do a huge amount....Can't speak for the Security council though.

 

Economical-

Just remember that Japan is now suffering an Economic Recession...so Even if South Korea wants to return to the prosperity...that prosperity doesn't exist any more.(If it ever existed, which I am against but still)

 

Indonesia-

Unless you go genocidal and scare Indonesia...or someone else intervenes there, it should filter back to you when the UN feels that you are responsible enough...so Maybe the UN can still wield some power over you...

 

-UN

 

Well I would only go genocidal when I knew that I was not going to reclaim the territories, so I would basically know that I wouldn't get my old empire back, so instead of just leaving the game, I would go out in a fun war of destruction to knock out three people who knocked me out.

 

-Economical

 

They're still going to be far more prosperous than if they were by themselves or with North Korea. After all, North Korea has trouble even feeding their people.

 

-Indonesia

 

Like I said, I don't go genocidal unless I know that I'm going to be substantially weaker and not reclaim my territories. Unlike what most people think, I view Indonesia, South Korea, and the like as basically provinces of Japan, so I would fight just as hard to reclaim them as if someone took Japan. That also means that if someone manages to occupy one, then I could not accept peace because it would be surrendering part of Japan, which is when I go genocidal. So basically the UN holds no power over me, because I only go genocidal when I lose Indonesia or something, when I would've already lost it instead of the UN taking it away. So I have nothing to lose, if my empire falls apart.

 

Oh yah, the balloons that were supposed to blow up bombs has been modified to shoot down ICBMs as well, by Brazil. Basically there are layers and layers and layers (like, ten or twenty) of interconnected "weather" balloons, with lasers and missles attached. They hover over the country (they're also translucent, to not block out much sunlight) to intercept ICBMs. They can either shoot them down, or sacrifice themselves by moving in front of it. Of course the layers are far enough away that they wouldn't have a giant hole if an ICBM blew up, and they have sensors so that the people aren't oblivious of the coming missles, and if they fail people will be ready to fire their missle interceptors, making them even better.

 

Err...issue on ballons...they deflate over time... You would be constantly sending ballons up...and if one of them were to be destroyed by something...airplane for instance... it would drop missiles and lasers on Japan itself...

Also, how do ballons 'move in front' of missiles... unless they have some sort of jet engine, which would slow them down considerably, since a ballon is not aerodynamic in any way...

 

Also the 'Layers' wouldn't protect from an ICBM attack...since an ICBM goes out of the Atomsphere and then re-enters....Thus bypassing the ballons entirely....Unless you plan to create some sort of bizzare 'cage' around Japan and related nations, which would totally screw your trade... and would be blatently obvouis when planes started exploding in mid-air...

 

The whole idea seems entirely farsical....

Also, if a plane hit one of the ballons, and one of your 'mass-murdering nutters' was on the controls they would immediately assume it was war and start firing Anthrax at the world....

http://en.wikipedia...._Warning_System

 

In any case knowing that there 'are' missiles out there is pretty much a given... since Spy Sats would spot them...as would radar systems and all that Jazz...An ICBM relies on being fast, not on being stealthed or whatever.

 

It's essentially a cage. Basically either the ICBM can go in more of a horizontal path and get easily destroyed by anti-missle defences, or it goes in lob arc and hit the millions of baloons flying out there.

 

I'm still working out the kinks though

 

There are quite major 'kinks' in the plan... If you want to use it then you can pretty much be assured of Japan going downhill VERY quickly.

 

Well, since you're opposed to it, I guess I can't really use it. The good thing about the project is that I'm now far more advanced in laser technologies

 

There is not that much to be 'advanced' about...A laser will always take a significant amount of energy, and will always be incredibly accurate....Beyond that....

 

Okay, so here's a new battle plan thing. With 350 Stratos Jets (the number available in two years time from now), fire bomb everywhere in Turkey, Australia, Italy, and Indonesia, and anthrax everywhere in the same place, if Indonesia votes to join Italy. There is absolutely no causus belli, and Japan says it doesn't care about the international community. This is a last resort act, and people are found willing to pilot the aircraft, if the pilots will not. Basically samurai will pilot the Jets, and they have fanatical loyalty to the empire, so there's no "they decide not to." To be safe, there are a lot of them, so if some refuse not to go, then there will be some.

 

Oh yes, and by then, thousand of long-ranged cruise missles will be done. These will be loaded with assorted weapons (not FOABs) and they will provide a strike against enemy naval targets and the like, and anything the jets missed.

 

This plan can also not leak out right now, because I'm just Pming you early, since I'm not sure if I'll be on at the time of the election, so please calculate this in the same post as the election.

 

Its not going to vote to 'Join' Italy, just to allow Italy to co-operate with them until they are ready to renew or end their commitment to the Federation.

Anyway its 4 days away...

 

But if you want to then sure, you can blow up parts of the world.

 

 

Basically, if Indonesia votes to continue cooperation with Italy, then I consider the battle lost, so basically I'm throwing everything to mass genocide all the Italians, all the Turks, and all the Australians, to knock them out. Japan will probaly be knocked out too, but the point is I want to reduce all their GDP by 90%, so even the police force of New York City could take them down.

 

And Archi, please don't make it so that "the soldiers decide not to." The Turks launched ICBMs. Japan shouldn't be any different, especially when you were talking about those sadistic racist people fighting in Oman. I'm sure I could get plenty of those to commit mass genocide.

 

Oh yah, if the first wave of attacks does not basically effectively destroy their countries, then the stratos jets keep going in and in again. The missles are on standby, incase someone else gives them some land, which will then also be hit with anthrax bombings and such.

 

Well if you like.

There will probably be people who refuse to genocide the world...especially when the best Japan can hope for is complete destruction of the home islands...If you are putting it solely in control of the racists and such then fair enough.

 

Well Japan might survive nominally. They still have their foreign currency reserves in the bunkers, their gold in their bunkers, and at least a few million people in their bunkers. Also, there are many Japanese people living overseas that could contribute. Anyways, I would rather get my revenge and lose than to lose a single inch of Japanese land.

 

Sometimes racists are a good thing.

 

Oh yah, make sure to bomb Tasmania and Guinea too. Basically anything possibly associated with any of the three enemy powers, to completely wipe them out. And when the attack concludes, and some people may wander out of their bunkers, then a second attack sweeps in!

 

Basically the attack continues until reports are in that everyone is dead on the enemy side. Don't forget the fire bombing, to permanently scar the land. Oh, this adds another effect:

 

Fire bombing destroys crops, but not anthrax

Land without crops = Dust bowl

Dust bowl spreads Anthrax

Entire land is infested with Anthrax

 

Well, its up to you.

Japan won't survive though...even if, somehow, you don't get wiped out in the intial counteracts...you have Virus Bombed the world....Practically killied 1/2 to 19/24ths of the population of the planet....Anyone with an illegal firework will want to destroy Japan.

 

I'm aware of that, but since I was considering quitting anyways (game became too WMD oriented for my liking), this is my brilliant plan to show everyone that WMDs are game breaking, since if it's game breaking to use a lot of them, it's also game breaking to use them in limited quantities, because they're just too powerful for their cost.

 

It also wipes out the three people that I want vengeance on most. Note: The goal is to wipe these countries off the map. Not to teach them a lesson. Wipe them off the map.

 

Wiping them off the map isn't going to really be an option unless they actually stop playing.

 

Well basically, target everything possibly under their control. That's a general statement that I think covers everything.

 

Quick additions to my plan:

 

Basically I have 250 Stratos Jets now, since I stopped my naval building program after figuring out it was useless in causing mass destruction.

 

Anyways, task is to fire bomb everywhere that isn't complete wilderness in Australia (includes Guinea), Turkey, and Italy. (I know, they are big, but these are like area of effect firebombs.

 

Then you drop anthrax aerosols over a large distance over all major cities of those three people, including all of Guinea and the suburbs that Rocco has in the middle of the desert. The goal is to cripple them, and cause their war exhaustion (hehe, playing too much EU3 recently) to skyrocket. For Turkey, specific goal is to make the fertile land unfertile again, while making Istanbul an anthrax hub, so that his people have no where to go. For Italy, the basic goal is to make his people weary of war, since he'd finally figure out that a massively reduced GDP is not fun when you're already small.

 

For Australia, since 70-80% of their population lives in cities (their probaly the richer part too), the goal is to totally cripple Australia and basically wipe them off the face of the map.

 

And please, no more things about how my soldiers refuse. I'll just keep looking until I find the most sadistic group of soldiers if I have to, like the people who WANT to mass-murder people.

 

So, yah know, this only goes into effect if either Indonesia is not part of the Federation anymore, or Italy/Turkey/Australia launch another attack anywhere on Japan.

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I wasn't going to "quit quit", but as a player, I was quite aware that virus bombing was not exactly the best option for the safety of Japan. Basically a real life leader would've been foolish to do it, but since as a player of Hegemony (and omnicient being), then I weighed the outcome and decided that the destruction of the countries that caused the mess was completely worth it, since regardless of what I did, Japan was already at the lowpoint of international relations with most powers.

 

Besides, one way or another, Japan would've been doomed. ICBMs, UN, etc. I was just trying to make sure that I got my attack in fast enough, before the UN started blah blah blahing at me for trying to "invade" Indonesia, even though technically it was an internal affair.

 

Also, I just had a different conception of anthrax. I was expecting that anthrax doesn't exactly spread that far (at least in weaponised form) compared to other infectious diseases, since it spreads mainly through spores instead of contagions. So to clarify, I was not trying to destroy the world. Just trying to destroy three countries in the world.

One way or another Hegemony was doomed.

Grim and Dusty seeming to have given up playing, prefering to occational turn up...Similarly I had departed as Switzerland...Ico and Paul seemed to have given up in all the major ways, Sere was preoccupied with the break up of the Federation, Rocco and Ross had come to the conclusion that the game was unplayable while Japan held supreme power and Dungeonal agreed....

In all the major ways the game had expanded far too fast, as Ross had predicted, which killed the game...

Partly my fault for charging Switzerland in the jolly jaunt around Europe, then around Africa, but mainly that we were all too stubborn to give up, convincing ourselves we 'needed' to take down anyone with any power...Happened to me, happened to Retech, would have happened to Mather...the moment someone starts to get ahead they need to be pruned back, but crushing someone who is in ascendance is a bad idea, since they have already made up their mind where they are going, and will get there regardless of what happens...

That is exactly why I choose to keep people from having a reason to attack me and rather try to better relationships.

And by that you mean

 

"Make sure I'm allies with everyone, and then kick up a storm when somebody attacks me because I'm allied with their enemy and say "I didn't do anything to you!"."

All I do is to protect people who are attacked, had you been attacked I would've protected you.

So...basically, instead of getting people mildly annoyed with you for telling Retech no, you decided to blow everything up so that you wouldn't have to deal with moderating? That's what it sounds like to me.

Alright, lets look at this.

Without Archi, Hegemony is a screaming match and eventually people just ignore each other, and the game fractures into several different games, each being played by a single person with their ideal conditions.

 

With Archi, you get annoyed because he does what he believes is logical, since there is no dice roll to determine the results.

 

Sere was too busy in real life to moderate things, realistically.

 

I call catch 22.

Dice roll? If so I agree. This has become too much of a fight if knowledge, normally I would think that was a good idea, but with one thirteen year old and a living supercomputer it is just unfair. Also basically nothing is possible because technology can primarely only arise from new discoveries, which can't happen due to Archi's refusal to using the dice.

 

To quote the "father" of all modern science:

“All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.”

The problem with dice rolls!

 

you roll double twenty

 

You invent a technology that surpasses everyone else in just a few years :D

There should be put a cap on how much the roll equals, a double twenty should mean little power usage, though not less than 5% of logic usage.

 

Say I research a laser, I get a double ten: The laser is able to cut through 0,5 meter steel in three seconds using 25gw

Ross researches a laser, he gets double twenty, his is able to cut through 2,5 meter steel in three seconds using 50mw.

Or we just go with the realism...Since realistically, had Retech been appoint Absolute Ruler of Japan and had conducted the research that he said he conducted, then he would have weapons which he said he had, and would do the damage which I said they would do.

So, like Ross said, logically work in through...

 

Dice really don't work with this game, since the alterations between a double twenty and a double one would be a mass driver which was 46 kilometers long to shoot people into orbit, or a mass driver 46 kilometers long to shoot people into orbit, but required 30% more energy... Since, as you know, the energy requirement is already ridiculously high, this is like pointing out that your bread is mouldy when the loaf is on fire.

 

Dusty the choice is:

Stopping the attack

'Dusty: Archimage is picking on Retech again', 'Retech: Its not fair that Archimage is always picking on me', 'Sere: Archi, can you go easier on Retech I don't want him to quit.'

Retech complains, Sere intervenes and gives Retech back Indonesia, Ross gets annoyed with Retech and quits, since there is no real coming back from that, Rocco follows suit and the game collapses because there is no competition any more, since all weapons are outlawed.

Verses

Letting the attack happen

'Dusty: Archimage is picking on Retech again, 'Retech: Its not fair that Archimage is always picking on me', 'Sere: Oh my God, Retech is being stupid again.'

World is devestated and hopefully everyone clears off to America and learns a valuable lesson about people being idiots, failing that the game is tied up in a knot and is allowed to die, allowing a different game to grow up in its place, preferably where people see the dangers of expanding too quickly and of virus bombing, with the outside chance of Sere intervening and declaring the attacks didn't happen in an attempt to stop people quiting, which might lead to the game limping on for another few weeks, which unfortunately is what happened.

Verses:

Letting Retech have his own way

'Ross: I am quiting', 'Rocco: I am quiting', 'Dungeonal: I am quitting', 'Archi: I am quiting', 'Sere: Oh my God, Retech is being stupid again and everyone is quiting.'

The game falls apart, Sere intervenes and kicks Retech off, but too late to stop Ross, Dungeonel and Rocco leaving, and the game dies and a new game starts where everything is banned and from that point on any time anyone suggests a stratagy other than throwing troops at each other people scream its an uber weapon and ban it.

 

So, in summery, I think Hegemony needs to die and then be left alone while people play other games, then when they come back to Hegemony in a couple of months they are not obsessed with end gaming...Also perhaps they would be more willing to listen when the moderator says 'I don't think that is a good idea' rather than blithly carrying on because they have decided it is a good idea.

 

 

Also basically nothing is possible because technology can primarely only arise from new discoveries, which can't happen due to Archi's refusal to using the dice.

Mather yours is a specific case which is wholy unlikely, if there was something which was fathomable, though unproven by science, say the creation of a room temperature superconductor, then fair enough, dice should be used to define how effective it is, within the preset limits that science predicts. But when it comes to a matter of redefining the laws of physics based on a theory which has no evidence in the real world, and thus speculating as to how it would work is impossible, then I do not think that dice should be used....any more than if someone was to post 'I discover magic', that I would roll on it to find out if they had indeed.

Or we could've banned weapons of mass destruction from the beginning (which I think the nuke rule was aimed at), and the triple Entente could've found a major ally somewhere else, in the world to stop me.

 

Basically I was happier with either total mass destruction, or no mass destruction.

I am far happier with total realism.

Who's in on firing Archi as hegemony's mod since he apparently only intends to kill it?

So you wanted to either ruin the game or make it boring?

 

Well I didn't see much of an alternative. The only other alternative seemed to be that you could use weapons of mass destruction, but I couldn't, which is basically how it ended up. So essentially, there was no choice for me.

 

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Who's in on firing Archi as hegemony's mod since he apparently only intends to kill it?

 

Vetoed.

 

Archi was in a pretty bad position moderating that, and he basically did the only thing he could really do.

Or creating weapons which were not globally destructive...Or limited destructability...Ie dropping 1 Anthrax bomb, rather than carpet bombing with anthrax...

Or creating weapons which were not globally destructive...Or limited destructability...Ie dropping 1 Anthrax bomb, rather than carpet bombing with anthrax...

 

Well I was being blamed internationally for attacking rebels, and I wasn't exactly going to let me lose even an inch of Indonesian land. So I figured that total revenge to wipe them out would be an appropriate action.

 

The problem is that if we go with total realism, we're all too bloodthirsty and violent to survive for more than 50 years.

Who's in on firing Archi as hegemony's mod since he apparently only intends to kill it?

Hegemony has had a long run and deserves some rest. Archi made several very good points.

Hegemony basically brought all of us to this forum, and we should give it a funeral. -tear-

 

:(

Well I was being blamed internationally for attacking rebels, and I wasn't exactly going to let me lose even an inch of Indonesian land. So I figured that total revenge to wipe them out would be an appropriate action.

 

The problem is that if we go with total realism, we're all too bloodthirsty and violent to survive for more than 50 years.

 

The international community has a memory like a sive...Just look at Japan after WW2....Or Germany...or anywhere really, within 5 years in most cases, 20 at the upper end, people's opinions have totally changed...unless they happen to still be doing something offensive, like Communism existing :rolleyes:

 

Anyway, if people are too bloodthirsty then the game will die anyway...since the population of the planet will hit 1 billion without uber weapons...

The Tavern: A group of historically-informed deranged psychopaths vying for total victory in Hegemony.

 

 

 

 

It's what made it great, and what lead to its downfall.