SIRO TEMP launches a project to clean the sea of toxins, both through continous filtration, a permanent antidote to be given to the entire population of Earth and through a genetically modified seaweed created to feed of the toxins (created with grass genome as well to avoid it "taking over" other marine plants).

 

[spoiler='Income]Population

58 000 000

 

Avarage income

$125 000

 

Tax level

45 %

 

Tax income

$3 262 500 000 000

 

Spendable

$32 625 000 000

 

 

Does anyone not object to their citizens being experiments?

It will be thouroughly tested before distribution.

Then its going to take about 60 years of testing, since it could have unforseen side effects as the body ages. Its pretty useless if 5 years after you get the shot you develop some horrific disease.

Also it would have to be tested against all other known diseases, bacteria, germs, viruses and such, just incase of gene transposition(Mixing genes to produce new germ/ect which would lead to new horrific diseases)

 

Similarly testing the seaweed would take 10 or 20 years, since it could cross react with any one of billions of different lifeforms in the ocean, creating a super plant or animal or virus or something.

 

 

Also a project to continuously filter the sea would be pretty ineffective...given the size of the sea, verses what humans can actually achieve.

By making the genome of the seaweed by far different to most marine plants one can reduce the chance of creating an über-crossbreed. The testing would only take a year or so if I added all the marine life from different climates to some geodomes and poured in the seaweed seeds.

And 60 years of testing is a bit mouch for the antidote, two years or so of pourposefully giving the subject various curable, non-lethal diseases, viruses and bacterial infections should do, added to that the likelihood of a biotoxin antidote mutating a disease is so slim that it shouldn't even be neccessary to test, yet I will for a few years.

 

Filtering the sea is also just a temporary attempt to lower the toxin level a bit, but if all nations with a shoreline helped then it would at least lower the toxin level by 25-50%.

Mather, you can do whatever you like. Risks will exist if you don't follow what I have said though.

 

 

Also a genome being different doesn't really matter...it will still, probably, use DNA, which means that any chemical reaction could, theoretically, transpose one set of genes to another.

Seems fine? What if the Cod Fish was to get the genes for the ability to feed off the toxins in the water. Firstly you would make the Cod Fish unedible, which would potentially mean that all the predators would die off, but you would also cause a population explosion, due to them now having a constantly supply of energy, thus they would kill of all the fish similar to them,

The fish would naturally be more capable of reproduction, since it has more energy, so the new genome would be find it extremely easy to superceed the old one....At best you would have a global catastrophy within 7 generations of Cod Fish...Which is, seemingly, 28 years away.

 

Also other countries will probaby not agree to your dangerous experimentation, since most places have a very extensive testing regime.

How about if he tests it in an a very large environment that takes everything into account for 10 years with no problems, it's ok. 1 year of testing is far too low, I agree.

Archi, cod is a freshwater fish. Also using a gene dissimiliar to most marine plants stom them from crossbreeding, fish would still need to be thourougly tested.

 

5 years together with everything should do actually.

Meh, 60 years is 'no problems, or if there are they are documented'

40 years is 'probably no problems'

20 years is 'We can safely say there are no problems'

10 years is 'It is unlikely there are any problems'

5 years is 'There may be problems, but there probably arn't'

1 year is 'Problems may exist but we have not yet seen them'

 

 

Mather, what does God being freshwater have to do with anything at all? It is an Atlantic dwelling fish, unless your seaweed is going to be somehow segrated from the Atlantic Ocean your point makes no sense.

Further more cross breeding is not the only way for genes to be shared between animals. Something as simple as a bacteria or virus could transfer genes from plant A to animal B.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgene

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_protein

 

 

 

 

Essentially you are playing with something with trillions of variables, and a trillion to the trillionth power of possible consquences.(Actually far larger, when you take into account the bacteria, viruses and all that you are probably looking at a trillion raised to the power of a trillion, raised to the power of a trillion again)

 

Its not so bad when you are producing something for human consumption, since humans are not eaten by much, and if things start going wrong they are much easier to control.

Stuff released on land is much more difficult to control, hence requires more testing.

Stuff released in the sea is near impossible to control...if something goes wrong then that is it...There is no way to undo it afterwards because the sea is so vast.

 

Genetic Engineering is not commonplace, nor is it sensible to assume that it would become common place in the near future, exactly because of how little we actually know about ourselves, the animals around us and the world in general...Yes we have the human Genome, but we very little idea about what genes do what, if anything.

Without extensive and exaustive testing its like throwing a dart at a dart board, backwards, from 100 meters, and expecting to hit the bullseye....All of our progress has merely reduced the 90 mile per hour winds which blow the darts off course.

 

 

I once calculated that it would take from 2003 to 2083 to analyse the human genome, using the brute force method of putting a marker against each string of genes, activating them, then observing the results.

That is, of course, assuming instant results or a rolling program of results...so it might take as long as 2143(+60) before the human genome was completely mapped.

And of course that does not include longer strings of genes, so the whole program would probably take much longer than the 140 years estimated here.

Though advancing technology might make this somewhat easier, there is no real way to narrow it down beyond about 50 years:

 

This was assuming that you had a team of 2,000 genetists, working without any ethically quibbles, and of course no disasters occuring.

Mather, what does God being freshwater have to do with anything at all?

 

Lol, that is going on my siggy.

Hehe.

Oh Mather, can you give me the thing that I can copy and paste into my siggy? The "Imma Charging Malaysia?" I tried replying, but the thread was locked.

[quote name='grimdeath283' date='23 November 2009 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1258994589' post='3980107']
IMMA CHARGIN MALAYSIA!
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Thanks Archi :)

Archi, cod is a freshwater fish.

You used cod as an example.

Also I mixed it up with pike for some reason.

But really proper example actually, cod must be the "most Norwegian" fish there is.

 

Also I never said they couldn't contaminate animals, only that a plant doesn't change their genetics due to another plant.

Its possible, if unlikely, that was all I was saying....

Hm.

Hm.

 

Hi.

Hm.

 

Hi.

Yes.

I still have around 30 pages to read through, but I should probably mention that if Japan had 'anthrax bombed' Turkey, I would've DOW'd Japan, as the SR and Turkey share a border and so there would've been a lot of spillover.

 

Also:

 

Ooooh, update on Europa Universalis. I tried Burgandy, and I immediately mobilised for war. Then I struck down thousands of French troops with my English allies, and won a nice peace settlement. Burgandy is now larger than France. :D

 

Unfortunately I attacked without Causus Belli and my people are running around screaming at me. I expect that I will die shortly. :)

Never ever attack without a casus belli, unless you're some tiny tiny little country that can gain stability back within months.

 

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Weapon lineup completed. Starting research on genetic modifications.

I'm pretty sure a bunch of people are still fine with playing. Don't see why we can't continue seeing as the whole retech thing never happened.

Well it didn't as I (unoficially) finished it, it was a simulation.

And then we all 'Offically' ignored that post.

 

The game is semi-dead...coma like...

And then we all 'Offically' ignored that post.

 

The game is semi-dead...coma like...

 

 

Note that I didn't kill the game, just exposed all of its major flaws in one action. :rolleyes:

 

Biological weapons, total war with genocide, two moderators with different views, munchkinism, errrr...can't think of anything else, but there's definitely more.

Exactly the word I was looking for! Thanks. :)

*sigh*

 

This is what happens when I'm not the evil arch enemy of everyone in the thread. You guys picked Japan to be yours then Retech flipped out and virus-bombed the planet.

 

Idk why I bothered to play (relatively) peacefully. -.-