Don't worry Grim, I'm still here so you won't be alone.

 

I've got an idea that makes it so that the world leaders know what Retech did...

 

*Simulation ended*

Japanese emperor: "You see what our constant search for stronger weapons does to our world? This is not what we want is it? Well you have to excuse me I have a hanging to attend to... my own..."

I am going to agree with Retech...setting a game in modern times, when total global destruction is easy to achieve, when the only hold backs are commonsense, reason and intellect, Hegemony tends towards blowing itself up.

That said though, it did seem to be Retech's overreaction that prompted it...I think everyone would have been more careful if they had actually got close to Japan, but as it was they had got a tiny trace of territory, which they didn't fully control. To everyone except Retech that seemed like nothing to commit genocide over.

 

But anyway, I am happy to continue as Switzerland if nothing else.

My only fear is that Hegemony will stagnate when the new games are released.

I believe it will not, if we manage harmony at some point I'm sure you mods will create some sort of random event to stir things up.

 

[spoiler ='Income]Population

52 000 000

 

Avarage income

$125 000

 

Tax level

45 %

 

Tax income

$2 925 000 000 000

 

Spendable

$29 250 000 000

 

 

 

Now is no one interested in joining the research for a device capable of removing greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere? That seems like something everymone (maybe except Archi) would want, it's not like methane, CO² or vapour is an über-weapon.

Switzerland sends a photo of whatr Scandinavia will come up with

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So Switzerland joins the GW reversal project at SIRO TEMP?

 

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A tree? How does that remove methane and vapour, it does remove CO2 but the vapour is doing most of the work.

Water vapour is condensed into rain...So removal of that is kinda pointless...and it would have the effect of destroying ecosystems.

Methane is required by the atomsphere to produce Ozone...Breaking down relatively naturally without our interferance.

 

So realistically Scandinavia would, if the technology was ever developed, which seems highly unlikely, just create more problems than it started with.

I am going to agree with Retech...setting a game in modern times, when total global destruction is easy to achieve, when the only hold backs are commonsense, reason and intellect, Hegemony tends towards blowing itself up.

That said though, it did seem to be Retech's overreaction that prompted it...I think everyone would have been more careful if they had actually got close to Japan, but as it was they had got a tiny trace of territory, which they didn't fully control. To everyone except Retech that seemed like nothing to commit genocide over.

 

But anyway, I am happy to continue as Switzerland if nothing else.

My only fear is that Hegemony will stagnate when the new games are released.

 

I'm just extremely defensive...and genocide happy at times. :P

Water vapour is condensed into rain...So removal of that is kinda pointless...and it would have the effect of destroying ecosystems.

Methane is required by the atomsphere to produce Ozone...Breaking down relatively naturally without our interferance.

 

So realistically Scandinavia would, if the technology was ever developed, which seems highly unlikely, just create more problems than it started with.

I'm not saying I'm to extract all of it, but as you know, we have too much, it's like we should have some CO2, we just have too much of all of them right now.

Sigh...well short of explaining to me how you are going to extract Methane from the Stratosphere it will take 30 years of research...since I am not even vaguely aware of how you would do it, if at all it was possible.

All greenhouse gasses are lighter than oxygen, so first I suck in some air and split out the oxygen and argon as they are heaviest, then as it is sucked further in the lightest part; nitrogen, is removed, then the gasses are chilled to remove water and release it into a lake, river or sea, then the rest is pumped into the vault on Svalbard where the methane would sink and then be collected to be used in a generator to power the pumps and such.

Silly idea.

Silly idea.

Yet it is doable and it is better than the alternative, don't you agree?

Because all three pollutants are at roughly stable level. Remove too much methane, everyone gets cancer and dies of the cold, remove to much vapour, everyone dies of heatstroke and starves.

 

You're better off just leaving it alone.

That much effect would take decades, it's only taking away what it can suck while staying at one place.

All greenhouse gasses are lighter than oxygen, so first I suck in some air and split out the oxygen and argon as they are heaviest, then as it is sucked further in the lightest part; nitrogen, is removed, then the gasses are chilled to remove water and release it into a lake, river or sea, then the rest is pumped into the vault on Svalbard where the methane would sink and then be collected to be used in a generator to power the pumps and such.

 

Yes...

CO2

O2

I can see how the same atom with carbon attached would be lighter

CH4

H2O

are both lighter than oxygen.

 

 

Molectular Nitrogen is N2 which has a weight of 14

CO2 has a weight of 22

O2 has a weight of 16

Methane has a weight of 10

H2O has a weight of 8

Argon has a weight of 18

Neon also has 10

Krypton has 36

Xenon has 54

Hydrogen has 1

 

So your only real method would be to take in a quantity of air. Seal it in a room for some weeks, then, without disturbing the air, seperate the CO2 collected at the bottom and Methane/Water at the top, and then release the rest of it.

 

So assuming you somehow built a room of 1 Kilometer cubed, you would trap 1,000,000,000 Cubic meters(Liters of air), removing 31,400,000 Liters of CO2, 200,000 liters of Methane and some Water Vapour(no idea how much is in the atomsphere)

This is over the course of 2 weeks.

So your 1 Kilometer cubed building, would process some 31,600,000 Liters of bad air out of the ecosystem in 2 weeks, some 4,514,286 per day.

Effectively air density is 1.2 kg per liter, so thats 5,417,143 Kilograms. Or 5,417 Tonnes.

Out of 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 Kg of air.

Of which some 190,000,000,000,000 Tonnes is Carbon Dioxide

Thus to actually clean the air, you would need some 4,166,666,667 1 Kilometer rooms, or the same number of years, working round the clock, with some kind of un-air-moving-doors, to clean the atomsphere of Earth. Not counting on all the trees dying because of the lack of CO2, or the collapse of the Ozone Layer because of it.

Added to that building a 1 Kilometer, hollow, concrete block, at 1 yard thickness, would cost:

83,719,303.50 per wall

So 502,315,820.98 per room.

Not counting machinery or labour costs...or indeed the structural soundness of building something that weights

(At 2350 Kilos per cubic meter) 16,863,459,704.33 Kilos...Or 16.8 Million Tonnes

Using only concrete.

 

 

So, in all reasonable terms it is not do able...

It would process a pathetic amount of air

It would cost 500 Million Dollars per room(If it was just concrete, which seems unstable)

It is structurally unstable.

 

 

For it to actually work we are probably looking at somewhere in the region of 1 Trillion Dollars outlay(Using the dome specifications. Canceling the extra cost of glass against having to build 3 extra sides and structual supports to stop the roof caving in) per room

At which point the returns are totally ridiculous, and, in actuality, still doesn't contain any machinery capable of sealing 31.6 million litres of air off from the rest of the 1 Billion litres of air.

 

Nor does it pay for hollowing out these massive areas, reinforcing them so they don't rupture the surface at some point in the future and essentially undo all the work, or creating a vacume powerful enough to suck 31.6 million litres of air down a tube and keep it in a hollowed out area...

 

 

So, speaking from all realism the idea sounds overexpensive and inefficent. Not to mention would completely wreck the countryside, or wherever the monstrosity was built.

 

http://www.physlink.com/reference/AirComposition.cfm

The room exists allready on Svalbard, we've allready stored some CO2 there IRL, also I'm not supposed to empty the air completely of greenhouse gasses, only help plants reverse it.

 

And when the room is full the CO2 could be made into chunks of dry ice and shot into space (or used for refrigerating food suplies brought to Mars).

Oh Brilliant plan...lets starve the plants....

 

So Scandinavia has already built this room...do you want to send me a no.wikipedia.com link?

No wikipedia site, but here's a page on it from NRK; http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.6763567

Right...

I fail to see the real relevance here...you are burying CO2, we knew that...ok you are burying it under the permafrost...and?

The whole point was that your method of collection is over expensive and massively inefficent...My main focus was not really on where it was being buried...

 

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Fnyheter%2Fnorge%2F1.6763567&sl=no&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

It may not be power efficiant, although a saltpower plant using mel[bleep]er and seawater could power it, and I have lots of money to spend on it at the moment, it may not be a cheap step against stopping global warming, but at least it's a step.

It may not be power efficiant,

No its not time efficent...it would take around 96,143 years(Or 5 million 2 week periods) to process all the carbon air on the planet...Since the air in the planet is 'refreshed'(IE all the molecules have decayed or otherwise) every 100 years the effect of the system is negliable...at best:

0.001% useful...

Meaning that, in year, it would get though maybe 0.1% of the Carbon produced...thus you would need to build 200 of them to start having an effect on the world situation...By which point some 10,000 years have past.

 

although a saltpower plant using mel[bleep]er and seawater could power it

Power what exactly? Its a massive concrete room(Where the air is seperated into CO2, Methane, Water, and other chemicals to be released)...connected by a vacuum to a pipe that leads to a hole in the Permafrost where you are dumping the green house gases...

 

, and I have lots of money to spend on it at the moment,

No you have 27 Billion Dollars of Surplus, 7 Billion of which is spent on research. The project would cost 1,000 Billion...So it would take you between 50 and 37 years...

 

it may not be a cheap step against stopping global warming, but at least it's a step.

No, it isn't. There are major holes in your plan and so if you built it its efficency would be much less than it is here....you would be lucky to get 520 Tonnes(10 tonnes a week) out of it.

 

If you are going to continue to purposefully ignore what I say then the thing will cease to have any effect at all and you will just waste 50 years of your time.

Wait have you we gone back to Japan not effin everyone up?

Sere said apparently...I disagree but until the new game starts I am gonna carry on moding things.

Ah ok

 

Well I don't know exactly what my researches were, kind of forgot em after I thought this game effed up, I think it was genetics, geothermal+drilling, exosuits.

Thanks for mentioning exosuits Icu!

 

The scandinavian exosuits will have semiauto .50AE(Desert Eagle's largest bullet) launchers mounted inside the arms and will be coated with 7.5mm carbonfiber.

 

So you don't have to bother with wikipedia, .50 AEs are 12mm(!) hollow-tiped(!) handgun bullets.