Same-Sex Marriage

[Erk02]

No I don't support it.

 

I try to steer clear from gays.

No offense (to your looks), but I seriously doubt that every gay guy who sees you will think you're attractive. You're also missing out on chances to make new friends. Also, you're an idiot.

[RexMilotic]

My first point is that I, in a religious point of view, believe that homosexuality not is right; that it's not the way that we are meant to be.

And I could also hope, that in an ideal world, then everyone would be Christian as well, and then we wouldn't even have to have this argument.

 

In the ideal Christian world, it wouldn't be a problem because all the homosexuals would be killed.

 

 

About the mother part, I dislike that. Unless the father was someone who only had sex so the woman could have a child, then he should still be the father. The "extra-mother" should just be the stepmother.

That's quite an ignorant comment and I hope you burn your tongue so badly you can never say something so stupid and horrible. Homosexuals are as equal persons to heterosexual persons. Neither is "worth" more. They are both given God's grace to an equal extent. They are both humans. In an ideal Christian world, there would still be gays. Scriptural supported by how God loves everyone and the commandment thou shalt not kill is part of the ten commandments (found in exodus and deuteronomy) and Jesus says this applies to everyone by extension since everyone is your neighbor.

 

I forget what book of this catholic youth bible I had to use for scripture studies honors last year, they have sidestories of contemporary time that parallel the stories in the scripture. In one of them, it's about AIDS and its implied the guy is gay and he is diagnosed from AIDS and he's ashamed to tell his Church but when they find out they're supportive and tell him they'll be there for him til the end. THAT is the ideal Christian deed.

 

I'm gay, why would I purposely advocate murdering them /fail? In the ideal Christian world the Bible would be followed. "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Going by what the Bible says, the homosexuals would be killed. Now, I suggest you pay a little more attention to everything the Bible says before you confuse your ignorance for me acting ignorant.

 

AIDS is something that happens to everyone, because of experimentation with polio or hepititus B(conflicting sources) and monkeys. Everyone can get aids, no matter what orientation.

[Alg]

He did say ideal. The ideal doesn't have to be realistic. And as far as I can tell good doesn't discriminate.

Personally I think that's the ideal for behavior regardless of faith (NOT the killing, the acceptance)

 

That's part of the problem with the issue in question, people are putting their beliefs ahead of tolerance.

[Saru Inc]

No I don't support it.

 

I try to steer clear from gays.

No offense (to your looks), but I seriously doubt that every gay guy who sees you will think you're attractive. You're also missing out on chances to make new friends. Also, you're an idiot.

 

Erk, pls respect Donkey's wishes, he is very intune with his gaydar. So he is aware we are out to get you.

 

Well donkey, I hate to tell you, but I grope on every straight man I see. I mean hell they're like a magnet. And sometimes I dress up in my dresses (btw i neeed to send u a pic of mine via my myspace to see if i look fat) and put on make up and pretend to marry them in California. And sometimes I pretend I am a girl because I am gay and we all want to be girls when we grow up. anyways srry that was off topic my madonna music is on too loud. what ur fav movies? i think ur rly cute <3 <3 <3 <3 my favorite movies r pretty in pink, breakfast at tiffanys, anything with madonna, brokeback mountain n milk. and if u dont kiss me then u r a homophobe and not have good taste. anyways i was wondering how much kleenex should I stuff into my bra donkey, I know you don't like guys, but thats because i havent kissed u yet and thats all i think about. but then again if it doesn't work out, its ok cuz i believe in life after love. do you?

 

much love hon. no homo ofc thats just plain gross n ignorant.

[Romy]

My first point is that I, in a religious point of view, believe that homosexuality not is right; that it's not the way that we are meant to be.

And I could also hope, that in an ideal world, then everyone would be Christian as well, and then we wouldn't even have to have this argument.

 

That's just plain offensive!

[Romy]

My first point is that I, in a religious point of view, believe that homosexuality not is right; that it's not the way that we are meant to be.

And I could also hope, that in an ideal world, then everyone would be Christian as well, and then we wouldn't even have to have this argument.

 

In the ideal Christian world, it wouldn't be a problem because all the homosexuals would be killed.

 

 

About the mother part, I dislike that. Unless the father was someone who only had sex so the woman could have a child, then he should still be the father. The "extra-mother" should just be the stepmother.

That's quite an ignorant comment and I hope you burn your tongue so badly you can never say something so stupid and horrible. Homosexuals are as equal persons to heterosexual persons. Neither is "worth" more. They are both given God's grace to an equal extent. They are both humans. In an ideal Christian world, there would still be gays. Scriptural supported by how God loves everyone and the commandment thou shalt not kill is part of the ten commandments (found in exodus and deuteronomy) and Jesus says this applies to everyone by extension since everyone is your neighbor.

 

I forget what book of this catholic youth bible I had to use for scripture studies honors last year, they have sidestories of contemporary time that parallel the stories in the scripture. In one of them, it's about AIDS and its implied the guy is gay and he is diagnosed from AIDS and he's ashamed to tell his Church but when they find out they're supportive and tell him they'll be there for him til the end. THAT is the ideal Christian deed.

 

What would you call the Crusades then?

[Saru Inc]

Umm the Crusades were not religous at all. They were territorial. Is everyone taking crazy pills >.< the army told the church it was religious to get its permission, they could care less they wanted land.

[walka92]

Umm the Crusades were not religous at all. They were territorial. Is everyone taking crazy pills >.< the army told the church it was religious to get its permission, they couldn't care less they wanted land.

 

sorry, that gets to me every time

[Saru Inc]

Umm the Crusades were not religous at all. They were territorial. Is everyone taking crazy pills >.< the army told the church it was religious to get its permission, they couldn't care less they wanted land.

 

sorry, that gets to me every time

 

Srry >.< i'm tired lmao worked 13 hours today... couLD care less about gammar. ;)

[Romy]

When one of the most basic rules of religion A is not to kill, and then it says both that it's okay to kill anyone who wouldn't convert to religion A, and that anyone performing homosexual relations should be dead, I see it as very contradicting.

 

 

 

I agree with Rex, in a perfectly Catholic world, gays would be killed.

[Tim]

Umm the Crusades were not religous at all. They were territorial. Is everyone taking crazy pills >.< the army told the church it was religious to get its permission, they couldn't care less they wanted land.

 

sorry, that gets to me every time

It gets to me also, Firefox harasses me like a nibbling monkey on your back chewing your ear because I forgot the '.

 

@RexMilotic, That's one thing that annoys me also, the whole "Gays spread AIDS/HIV etc mostly!". Every time my mother tells me this I said "Scientific studies aren't based on the 1920's anymore mum, straight people carry the virus just as much as homosexuals might".

[atestarossa]

My first point is that I, in a religious point of view, believe that homosexuality not is right; that it's not the way that we are meant to be.

And I could also hope, that in an ideal world, then everyone would be Christian as well, and then we wouldn't even have to have this argument.

 

In the ideal Christian world, it wouldn't be a problem because all the homosexuals would be killed.

 

 

About the mother part, I dislike that. Unless the father was someone who only had sex so the woman could have a child, then he should still be the father. The "extra-mother" should just be the stepmother.

That's quite an ignorant comment and I hope you burn your tongue so badly you can never say something so stupid and horrible. Homosexuals are as equal persons to heterosexual persons. Neither is "worth" more. They are both given God's grace to an equal extent. They are both humans. In an ideal Christian world, there would still be gays. Scriptural supported by how God loves everyone and the commandment thou shalt not kill is part of the ten commandments (found in exodus and deuteronomy) and Jesus says this applies to everyone by extension since everyone is your neighbor.

 

I forget what book of this catholic youth bible I had to use for scripture studies honors last year, they have sidestories of contemporary time that parallel the stories in the scripture. In one of them, it's about AIDS and its implied the guy is gay and he is diagnosed from AIDS and he's ashamed to tell his Church but when they find out they're supportive and tell him they'll be there for him til the end. THAT is the ideal Christian deed.

 

I'm gay, why would I purposely advocate murdering them /fail? In the ideal Christian world the Bible would be followed. "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Going by what the Bible says, the homosexuals would be killed. Now, I suggest you pay a little more attention to everything the Bible says before you confuse your ignorance for me acting ignorant.

 

AIDS is something that happens to everyone, because of experimentation with polio or hepititus B(conflicting sources) and monkeys. Everyone can get aids, no matter what orientation.

 

 

If you read the bible 100% biblistic, (taking every single word in it literal, no matter what the context is) then you can pull out quite a lot of stuff that seems to be offensive now. But most Christians (apart from adventists, I believe) agree that the old desert laws is nullified through the happenings of the new testament.

 

The laws that you can read in the books of Moses (the first 5, I've forgotten some of the names of them in English) are meant for a society that lived in the desert 4,000 years ago.

So really, pulling out bible verses without looking at the context, shows nothing.

 

About the AIDS part. Every time I hear someone say that AIDS is a punishment to gays or similar, I really get angry. People that say that really, really have no compassion for other people.

 

And I'm not catholic btw. I'm Lutheran, so I really won't accept anything said from the catholic (or other) popes, without really looking at it in a biblical context.

 

 

Romy, you tell that my wish that everyone was Christian is offensive. That might be right actually. But the thing is, when you know of something that affects every part of your life, no matter what it is; then you'll also want that other knew about this. This goes for Christians, Muslims, Humanists, Communists, Socialists, Liberalists, and the list goes on. This is because I think my ideology / religion really is the answer for the troubles in the world.

[Romy]

Romy, you tell that my wish that everyone was Christian is offensive. That might be right actually. But the thing is, when you know of something that affects every part of your life, no matter what it is; then you'll also want that other knew about this. This goes for Christians, Muslims, Humanists, Communists, Socialists, Liberalists, and the list goes on. This is because I think my ideology / religion really is the answer for the troubles in the world.

 

That's not true at all.

 

 

I used to be Jewish, and felt myself very close to God, and not once have I wanted everyone to believe the same as me. I'm 100% certain there are other religous people out there who don't think the rest of the world should think the same as them.

 

 

Also, don't compare theology to Humanism, Communism, Socialism, Liberalism and others of this kind. The difference here, is that none of them relies on the unproven existence of any creature / human / animal / entity / whatever.

[Faux]

hey guys you know which countries actually kill gay people?

[Saru Inc]

hey guys you know which countries actually kill gay people?

Middle East

[Romy]

hey guys you know which countries actually kill gay people?

 

It's not about the countries...

 

 

Someone here mentioned the perfect Christian world or something like that, and was replied to with "The perfect Christian world would kill gays" (not the original response, I'm on a hurry), and is why we started talking about it.

[Faux]

what exactly is a perfect Christian world?

[Erk02]

hey guys you know which countries actually kill gay people?

Do you mean mean legally? If you don't, then the US is one of them.

[Blyaunte]

What right does the government have to force an international organization like the Church to offer a service if it doesn't want to? Can the gov go up to some random guy and force him to be a hotdog vendor? How can the government mandate the services of private organizations? The Church doesn't want to offer same-sex marriage in it's churches. Who is it that can tell them they have to? You an argue right and wrong all you want but legally speaking it doesn't make any sense.

 

I just thought of this argument but I'm sure it's been made before and I'm sure someone here who gets off to politics already has a prewritten counterargument. Oh well.

 

So -- if a Church denied, say, an inter-racial couple the rite of marriage, you'd be okay with letting them be *that* discriminatory too?

[fakeitormakeit2]

My first point is that I, in a religious point of view, believe that homosexuality not is right; that it's not the way that we are meant to be.

And I could also hope, that in an ideal world, then everyone would be Christian as well, and then we wouldn't even have to have this argument.

 

In the ideal Christian world, it wouldn't be a problem because all the homosexuals would be killed.

 

 

About the mother part, I dislike that. Unless the father was someone who only had sex so the woman could have a child, then he should still be the father. The "extra-mother" should just be the stepmother.

That's quite an ignorant comment and I hope you burn your tongue so badly you can never say something so stupid and horrible. Homosexuals are as equal persons to heterosexual persons. Neither is "worth" more. They are both given God's grace to an equal extent. They are both humans. In an ideal Christian world, there would still be gays. Scriptural supported by how God loves everyone and the commandment thou shalt not kill is part of the ten commandments (found in exodus and deuteronomy) and Jesus says this applies to everyone by extension since everyone is your neighbor.

 

I forget what book of this catholic youth bible I had to use for scripture studies honors last year, they have sidestories of contemporary time that parallel the stories in the scripture. In one of them, it's about AIDS and its implied the guy is gay and he is diagnosed from AIDS and he's ashamed to tell his Church but when they find out they're supportive and tell him they'll be there for him til the end. THAT is the ideal Christian deed.

 

What would you call the Crusades then?

An act of greed for territory and wealth justified by the excuse of religion.

 

Romy, you're ignorant and you think you know religious law. And to that I say hahaha! First of all it does not in the Bible to say to the Christians to kill people who will not convert, I don't know where you got that. Secondly, the founder of the Maronite Catholics [the rite I belong to] was canonized a saint because one thing he did was go around [5th century] in Syria and help people out, spiritually and medically, be they Christian or pagan. You speak out of your [wagon].

 

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) I purposely marked this to grasp your attention to where it is located. Please you ignorant fool, go look up what Christian law says in regards to the Old Testament and the new law brought by Jesus. Do not call ignorance in which you act ignorant for you fail to realize the difference between Torah and the actual current Christian law.

 

Now may I quote, directly? "ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν, ἀγαπᾶτε τοὺς ἐχθροὺς ὑμῶν, εὐλογεῖτε τοὺς καταρωμένους ὑμᾶς, καλῶς ποιεῖτε τοῖς μισοῦσιν ὑμᾶς καὶ προσεύχεσθε ὑπὲρ τῶν ἐπηρεαζόντων ὑμᾶς καὶ διωκόντων ὑμᾶς,"

If you are unable to understand Greek, that is the "love thine enemy" verse, Matthew 5:44. For those of you who might be confused to love an enemy? In Greek it more specifically apagaos (unconditional love to anyone) which is not the same love as philia (brotherly love) or eros (the desire to be with a partner). Therefore, gays would not be killed even if disliked because you cannot kill someone who you are suppose to love. In fact you shouldn't even hate them.

 

And did you not hear me recall that AIDS part from the footnote in my Bible? Or are you too busy skimming so that you can just say that Christians want to kill gays?

[hihihi727]

When one of the most basic rules of religion A is not to kill, and then it says both that it's okay to kill anyone who wouldn't convert to religion A, and that anyone performing homosexual relations should be dead, I see it as very contradicting.

 

 

 

I agree with Rex, in a perfectly Catholic world, gays would be killed.

 

Since when did the bible say that you should kill someone that doesn't convert to your religion? o.O And btw murdering someone and executing someone isn't the same thing; but like someone else said before me, these laws weren't meant for our society, but people living in a desert years and years ago.

[Saru Inc]

When one of the most basic rules of religion A is not to kill, and then it says both that it's okay to kill anyone who wouldn't convert to religion A, and that anyone performing homosexual relations should be dead, I see it as very contradicting.

 

 

 

I agree with Rex, in a perfectly Catholic world, gays would be killed.

 

Since when did the bible say that you should kill someone that doesn't convert to your religion? o.O And btw murdering someone and executing someone isn't the same thing; but like someone else said before me, these laws weren't meant for our society, but people living in a desert years and years ago.

 

Ding Ding. I posted this a while ago, but all the laws saying gays are bad, etc. in Leviticus (the most infamous book in the Bible) was a rule book for JEWISH PRIESTS of ISRAEL in that TIME PERIOD. So it didn't apply to anyone else, especially not Christians, Muslims, Atheists etc.

[Romy]

My first point is that I, in a religious point of view, believe that homosexuality not is right; that it's not the way that we are meant to be.

And I could also hope, that in an ideal world, then everyone would be Christian as well, and then we wouldn't even have to have this argument.

 

In the ideal Christian world, it wouldn't be a problem because all the homosexuals would be killed.

 

 

About the mother part, I dislike that. Unless the father was someone who only had sex so the woman could have a child, then he should still be the father. The "extra-mother" should just be the stepmother.

That's quite an ignorant comment and I hope you burn your tongue so badly you can never say something so stupid and horrible. Homosexuals are as equal persons to heterosexual persons. Neither is "worth" more. They are both given God's grace to an equal extent. They are both humans. In an ideal Christian world, there would still be gays. Scriptural supported by how God loves everyone and the commandment thou shalt not kill is part of the ten commandments (found in exodus and deuteronomy) and Jesus says this applies to everyone by extension since everyone is your neighbor.

 

I forget what book of this catholic youth bible I had to use for scripture studies honors last year, they have sidestories of contemporary time that parallel the stories in the scripture. In one of them, it's about AIDS and its implied the guy is gay and he is diagnosed from AIDS and he's ashamed to tell his Church but when they find out they're supportive and tell him they'll be there for him til the end. THAT is the ideal Christian deed.

 

What would you call the Crusades then?

An act of greed for territory and wealth justified by the excuse of religion.

 

Romy, you're ignorant and you think you know religious law. And to that I say hahaha! First of all it does not in the Bible to say to the Christians to kill people who will not convert, I don't know where you got that. Secondly, the founder of the Maronite Catholics [the rite I belong to] was canonized a saint because one thing he did was go around [5th century] in Syria and help people out, spiritually and medically, be they Christian or pagan. You speak out of your [wagon].

 

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) I purposely marked this to grasp your attention to where it is located. Please you ignorant fool, go look up what Christian law says in regards to the Old Testament and the new law brought by Jesus. Do not call ignorance in which you act ignorant for you fail to realize the difference between Torah and the actual current Christian law.

 

Now may I quote, directly? "ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν, ἀγαπᾶτε τοὺς ἐχθροὺς ὑμῶν, εὐλογεῖτε τοὺς καταρωμένους ὑμᾶς, καλῶς ποιεῖτε τοῖς μισοῦσιν ὑμᾶς καὶ προσεύχεσθε ὑπὲρ τῶν ἐπηρεαζόντων ὑμᾶς καὶ διωκόντων ὑμᾶς,"

If you are unable to understand Greek, that is the "love thine enemy" verse, Matthew 5:44. For those of you who might be confused to love an enemy? In Greek it more specifically apagaos (unconditional love to anyone) which is not the same love as philia (brotherly love) or eros (the desire to be with a partner). Therefore, gays would not be killed even if disliked because you cannot kill someone who you are suppose to love. In fact you shouldn't even hate them.

 

And did you not hear me recall that AIDS part from the footnote in my Bible? Or are you too busy skimming so that you can just say that Christians want to kill gays?

 

I probably should have clarified myself better, my bad. You shouldn't have added all the dazzle around it though.

 

 

What I mean by "it" is the followers. As in, the rules of religion A are not to kill, yet the followers of religion A felt okay with killing those who wouldn't convert.

 

I'm well aware that neither the New nor the Old Testament command you to kill those who wouldn't convert to your religion.

 

 

 

As for your comment about the New Testament not taking the rules of the Old one... Well, whether it's true or not doesn't matter, as today the Christian world is against gays, thinks gay-acts are a sin, wouldn't marry gays, etc.

So without the diplomatic crap, Christianity is anti-gay.

[fakeitormakeit2]

My first point is that I, in a religious point of view, believe that homosexuality not is right; that it's not the way that we are meant to be.

And I could also hope, that in an ideal world, then everyone would be Christian as well, and then we wouldn't even have to have this argument.

 

In the ideal Christian world, it wouldn't be a problem because all the homosexuals would be killed.

 

 

About the mother part, I dislike that. Unless the father was someone who only had sex so the woman could have a child, then he should still be the father. The "extra-mother" should just be the stepmother.

That's quite an ignorant comment and I hope you burn your tongue so badly you can never say something so stupid and horrible. Homosexuals are as equal persons to heterosexual persons. Neither is "worth" more. They are both given God's grace to an equal extent. They are both humans. In an ideal Christian world, there would still be gays. Scriptural supported by how God loves everyone and the commandment thou shalt not kill is part of the ten commandments (found in exodus and deuteronomy) and Jesus says this applies to everyone by extension since everyone is your neighbor.

 

I forget what book of this catholic youth bible I had to use for scripture studies honors last year, they have sidestories of contemporary time that parallel the stories in the scripture. In one of them, it's about AIDS and its implied the guy is gay and he is diagnosed from AIDS and he's ashamed to tell his Church but when they find out they're supportive and tell him they'll be there for him til the end. THAT is the ideal Christian deed.

 

What would you call the Crusades then?

An act of greed for territory and wealth justified by the excuse of religion.

 

Romy, you're ignorant and you think you know religious law. And to that I say hahaha! First of all it does not in the Bible to say to the Christians to kill people who will not convert, I don't know where you got that. Secondly, the founder of the Maronite Catholics [the rite I belong to] was canonized a saint because one thing he did was go around [5th century] in Syria and help people out, spiritually and medically, be they Christian or pagan. You speak out of your [wagon].

 

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) I purposely marked this to grasp your attention to where it is located. Please you ignorant fool, go look up what Christian law says in regards to the Old Testament and the new law brought by Jesus. Do not call ignorance in which you act ignorant for you fail to realize the difference between Torah and the actual current Christian law.

 

Now may I quote, directly? "ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν, ἀγαπᾶτε τοὺς ἐχθροὺς ὑμῶν, εὐλογεῖτε τοὺς καταρωμένους ὑμᾶς, καλῶς ποιεῖτε τοῖς μισοῦσιν ὑμᾶς καὶ προσεύχεσθε ὑπὲρ τῶν ἐπηρεαζόντων ὑμᾶς καὶ διωκόντων ὑμᾶς,"

If you are unable to understand Greek, that is the "love thine enemy" verse, Matthew 5:44. For those of you who might be confused to love an enemy? In Greek it more specifically apagaos (unconditional love to anyone) which is not the same love as philia (brotherly love) or eros (the desire to be with a partner). Therefore, gays would not be killed even if disliked because you cannot kill someone who you are suppose to love. In fact you shouldn't even hate them.

 

And did you not hear me recall that AIDS part from the footnote in my Bible? Or are you too busy skimming so that you can just say that Christians want to kill gays?

 

I probably should have clarified myself better, my bad. You shouldn't have added all the dazzle around it though.

 

 

What I mean by "it" is the followers. As in, the rules of religion A are not to kill, yet the followers of religion A felt okay with killing those who wouldn't convert.

 

I'm well aware that neither the New nor the Old Testament command you to kill those who wouldn't convert to your religion.

 

 

 

As for your comment about the New Testament not taking the rules of the Old one... Well, whether it's true or not doesn't matter, as today the Christian world is against gays, thinks gay-acts are a sin, wouldn't marry gays, etc.

So without the diplomatic crap, Christianity is anti-gay.

For your first part about the rules said not to kill but the Crusades occurred, yes that was against dogma and it was horrible. It was apologized for numerous times though, the most recent apology by the late Pope John Paul II. My rite was affected by these per se Christian-justified imperial wars because Lebanon and Syria are in the middle of crossroads.

 

And second point, yes Christianity does not support the gay lifestyle, and you may term that anti-gay. However, by no means are we anti-gay people, as all people are equal and made in the same image. Although by no means is it "diplomatic crap" because it is legitimate doctrine that everyone is equal.

[Alg]

What I mean by "it" is the followers. As in, the rules of religion A are not to kill, yet the followers of religion A felt okay with killing those who wouldn't convert.

I'm well aware that neither the New nor the Old Testament command you to kill those who wouldn't convert to your religion.

But then wouldn't that be the followers deliberately ignoring the rules they should be following? That's on them, not the faith that told them not to.