Fansite Support (Re-launch)

[Romy]

A few quick questions to Jagex or an Admin: Is it a problem if the off topic board has an entire subforum dedicated to discussing other games? If not, why is it a problem that we had advertisements for other games? Where are we going to draw the line here?

 

According to the mass of debates over here, no, these forums are not a problem from Jagex's view point.

 

 

The reason being (IMO), that limiting what users can discuss is a direct violation of Tip.It's independence, while dictating the ads is not really harmful to our users' freedom of speech, creativity, etc.

 

So it's fine to talk about a game other than Runescape in a positive light, and yet not advertise it?

 

'Xactly.

[qeltar]

So it's fine to talk about a game other than Runescape in a positive light, and yet not advertise it?

I have a feeling that if Jagex thought they could get away with banning fansites from even discussing other games, they'd do that too.

[Rainy_Day]

So it's fine to talk about a game other than Runescape in a positive light, and yet not advertise it?

I have a feeling that if Jagex thought they could get away with banning fansites from even discussing other games, they'd do that too.

I'd be incredibly shocked if they did that, though regardless, they have said they did not have a problem with the discussion of games anyway.

 

I think banning adverts for games is petty, but I don't believe they could ever, ever be that petty. Not worth thinking over anyway, as they have said it won't happen. :thumbup:

[Romy]

So it's fine to talk about a game other than Runescape in a positive light, and yet not advertise it?

I have a feeling that if Jagex thought they could get away with banning fansites from even discussing other games, they'd do that too.

 

I doubt Tip.It would take their deal if they asked for it though.

[Will H]

So it's fine to talk about a game other than Runescape in a positive light, and yet not advertise it?

I have a feeling that if Jagex thought they could get away with banning fansites from even discussing other games, they'd do that too.

I'd be incredibly shocked if they did that, though regardless, they have said they did not have a problem with the discussion of games anyway.

 

I think banning adverts for games is petty, but I don't believe they could ever, ever be that petty. Not worth thinking over anyway, as they have said it won't happen. :thumbup:

I'm just saying this as a warning really. If Jagex want us and others to be a Runescape-only fansite, and have no affiliation with any competitors, it's going to be a point of contention in the future, and they'll always be able to use their artwork and whatnot as a carrot.

 

 

*sigh* Jagex really needs to develop some social skills. Using rewards to manipulate fansites for their own ends is not the same thing as friendship.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Much like Church and State I think we should maintain a seperation of Jag and Tip. And frankly Tip just went and George Bushed it all up.

[Rainy_Day]

Much like Church and State I think we should maintain a seperation of Jag and Tip. And frankly Tip just went and George Bushed it all up.

Well they don't control us nor us them. They asked us to remove the adverts, and we have obviously agreed. We were not forced into it however, Tip.it still makes up its own mind. :thumbup:

[mario_sunny]

So it's fine to talk about a game other than Runescape in a positive light, and yet not advertise it?

I have a feeling that if Jagex thought they could get away with banning fansites from even discussing other games, they'd do that too.

 

It's just a feeling and there's no evidence to back it up. I have a feeling, according to Jagex's friendly attitude, and the fact that they are not in it for just profit, that they wouldn't do that. Even if they did try to pull that stunt the fansites could easily back out and engage in a boycott of the fansite list.

 

Discussing other games isn't a problem because most of the people there already own the game they are discussing; therefore its too late for jagex to stop them from purchasing the game. Of course there are those people who visit the Video Game Discussion subforum seeking out a new game to play, and this could hurt Jagex's revenue- but that only accounts for a small amount of the total population. To restrict users from talking about a topic within the Tip.it Rules is a breech of freedom of speech. If Jagex ever implemented such a rule, Tip.it would back out, as the admins had promised they would do.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Qeltar's point I believe is that Tip asked for clarification that the sub-site was okay and even being in the position that it even had to be brought up is a problem in and of itself.

 

I also agree with that point.

[Made0f12une]

Despite the malarkey behind Jagex making Tip.it only a gold site I must say they've definitely come a long way from the beginning when fan sites were considered taboo and they wanted nothing to do with them. However, now they're actually accepting they fact that fan sites exist and are taking steps to make a humble relationship between corporate gurus and fan site advocates.

 

I'll hold my applaud till Tip.it moves up the tiers, although I will give credit where credit is due. It's good to see they're thinking outside the box a little.

[qeltar]

*sigh* Jagex really needs to develop some social skills.

Why do they need to develop social skills when bullying is so effective? It's not like more than a handful of sites will stand up to this BS.

 

So Jagex throws the sites a few crumbs, and in exchange gets control over their advertising and the sites spending the rest of their existence under the company's thumb. Good deal for them.

 

It's just a feeling and there's no evidence to back it up.

That's why I said it was just a feeling.

 

But make no mistake: there is no philosophical difference between telling a site it can't run ads for a competitior, and telling a site it can't "promote" a competitor, which a positive discussion could be seen as.

 

I have a feeling, according to Jagex's friendly attitude, and the fact that they are not in it for just profit, that they wouldn't do that.

The demand for control over fansites' advertising is ENTIRELY about profit. They make a lot of money already, but apparently they feel the need to squeeze every nickel they can, even out of people who help their business.

 

Discussing other games isn't a problem because most of the people there already own the game they are discussing; therefore its too late for jagex to stop them from purchasing the game. Of course there are those people who visit the Video Game Discussion subforum seeking out a new game to play, and this could hurt Jagex's revenue- but that only accounts for a small amount of the total population.

The same holds true for the ads. It's about control: Jagex wants it, and the sites are happy to give it up in exchange for a few plums.

 

To restrict users from talking about a topic within the Tip.it Rules is a breech of freedom of speech.

This is a private site, and you only have the freedom to say whatever the site's owners want. There are already things you can't talk about, and that list could easily be expanded.

[jsboutin2]

Seriously, if we can get more content only by removing ads, I don't really see where we're losing.

 

And by we, I mean the users. The admins might be losing some money but that's their choice.

[das]

Qeltar's point I believe is that Tip asked for clarification that the sub-site was okay and even being in the position that it even had to be brought up is a problem in and of itself.

 

 

Qeltar's point I believe is that Tip asked for clarification that the sub-site was okay and even being in the position that it even had to be brought up is a problem in and of itself.

Again for clarification, we did not ask because they implied that, but because people like myself are more paranoid than you and qeltar and saw people freaking out as they did over control and logically knew this question would be posed.

[Will H]

Seriously, if we can get more content only by removing ads, I don't really see where we're losing.

 

And by we, I mean the users. The admins might be losing some money but that's their choice.

 

We're losing a principle, which is far more valuable than a bit of money. Jagex should realise fansites by their intentions rather than by abiding by targets and regulations which reach beyond Jagex's corporate and moral territory. We like Runescape, we follow Jagex rules and principles, we have a great community. That's all that's needed for a stonking good Runescape fansite and should be recognised as such.

[Maxingmck]

It seems as if Jagex are being a bunch of ungrateful little bastards

 

They bullied every site into blocking the other adverts just to get on a list of which fansite is best

 

In the end who cares about RSOF and its idiots, I say tif be removed or moved up, End.

 

EDIT: Looks like you guys should removed the ArenaScape and the video game section of OT aswell

Edited April 10, 2010 by mckinzy5

[RSBDavid]

Its obvious why we are gold. Its not just the advertisements, its the attitude. This topic is a prime example. Instead of complaining why we are gold and not platinum, we should work towards making ourselves platinum. By complaining about other fan sites, and not improving our own, it makes us seem arrogant.

 

This deal has more benefits then you think of. Being platinum, more people will see our forums on a higher level and visit more often. The ad system is impression-based, which means that we get paid per-view. If more people come, rather it be trolls or legitimate players, we will in fact gain more money which can be used towards better hosting and servers that can handle more people. You can say Jagex is supporting us to.

 

There will be more J-Mods, more art concepts, and more support in general from Jagex after we become platinum.

 

bballer

[Maxingmck]

90% of us don't want RSoF'ers

90% of us realize it is a marketing scheme

90% of us won't stand for the [cabbage] they threw at Tif

 

[hide]I hope[/hide]

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Yes, we're gold because Tip still has members with the nerve to question the grat and powerful Jagex.

 

This is the crux of the matter. Jagex has decided that in order to give Platinum status, and all the benefits this entails, then you must follow their set of guidelines.

 

People on one side think it is fine to allow them influence in exchange for the perks. People on the other think that Tip as such should not allowed anyone outside of tip to have any influence on Tip in *any*manner.

 

Now all I have to say that we darn sure better have a column about this because there is so much discussion to be had. I swear to God if it's just another column about clans and clan updates I'm going to flip. :evil:

[fallout]

You people are so young... Arguing about things that are of little importance.

[SupaDavis]

90% of us don't want RSoF'ers

90% of us realize it is a marketing scheme

90% of us won't stand for the [cabbage] they threw at Tif

 

[hide]I hope[/hide]

 

90% of statistics are made up.

 

Or is it 145.6%?

[Me_Hate_Libs]

You people are so young... Arguing about things that are of little importance.

 

I'm 24 years old and spend enough time on here as well as having enough perspective to recognize that this was wrong.

[Toad]

You people are so young... Arguing about things that are of little importance.

 

I'm 24 years old and spend enough time on here as well as having enough perspective to recognize that this was wrong.

 

Yeah and also it may be of little importance to you but to others it could be important for example I dont care for politics but it doesnt mean its not important now does it

[qeltar]

Its obvious why we are gold. Its not just the advertisements, its the attitude. This topic is a prime example. Instead of complaining why we are gold and not platinum, we should work towards making ourselves platinum. By complaining about other fan sites, and not improving our own, it makes us seem arrogant.

What a crock of manure.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Tip.it -- it is one of the top handful of RS sites around and has been for years. Jagex didn't put them at silver or copper or uranium or whatever stupid level they were at because of the site, but only because Tip.it wouldn't let Jagex dictate to them how to run their site. And they only put the site at gold now and soon to be platinum because the Tip.it admins agreed to give Jagex what they want. Not because Tip.it changed in any way.

 

Your position basically boils down to saying that a prime fansite doesn't deserve to be recognized as such unless they kiss Jagex's [wagon] deeply and repeatedly.

 

There IS nothing that needs to be improved, except perhaps a few people around here growing spines. Sheepishly bowing before the demands of corporations is not a good way to spend one's life.

[RSBDavid]

Its obvious why we are gold. Its not just the advertisements, its the attitude. This topic is a prime example. Instead of complaining why we are gold and not platinum, we should work towards making ourselves platinum. By complaining about other fan sites, and not improving our own, it makes us seem arrogant.

What a crock of manure.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Tip.it -- it is one of the top handful of RS sites around and has been for years. Jagex didn't put them at silver or copper or uranium or whatever stupid level they were at because of the site, but only because Tip.it wouldn't let Jagex dictate to them how to run their site. And they only put the site at gold now and soon to be platinum because the Tip.it admins agreed to give Jagex what they want. Not because Tip.it changed in any way.

 

Your position basically boils down to saying that a prime fansite doesn't deserve to be recognized as such unless they kiss Jagex's [wagon] deeply and repeatedly.

 

There IS nothing that needs to be improved, except perhaps a few people around here growing spines. Sheepishly bowing before the demands of corporations is not a good way to spend one's life.

 

I am saying the way some people are reacting to this whole advertisement issue is just stupid and uncalled for. Instead of trying to give positive suggestions, its pure negativity towards Tip.it and Jagex.

[qeltar]

There's been very little negativity towards Tip.it. There's been plenty towards Jagex.

 

So what?

 

When the company does something well and acts in a fair and reasonable manner, it deserves praise and it will get it from me and others.

 

When the company does something self-centered, meddling and selfish, it deserves criticism and it will get it from me and others.

 

"We should just quickly and quietly do whatever they want" is the attitude taken by sheep.