Napoleonic Hegemony

[Nero]

How closely will we follow things to history? For example, what if a country was having trouble with racial revolts? Could we take what we know from history such as a mistake our country made and then correct it?

Everything up until the point at which the game starts is entirely historically accurate. Everything after that will be shaped by whatever happens.

 

And Christ snuff makes you sneeze like the devil.

[archimage_a]

Not really.

Britian lands, kills the founding fathers, establishes a new system and retains the colonies.

Or just acceeds to certain demands and retains its colonies.

Someone decides to betray the founding fathers....

George Washington is bucked from a horse.

Thomas Jefferson is hit by a stray bullet.

The Declaration of Independance is accidently burnt.

The Continetial Congress look at a mis-labled recon of a key area, think that it is the opposite to what it is and totally screw themselves over.

 

A whole host of random events could've happened that ultimately lead to the retention of the colonies.

[jasignhagj]

Spain. And Im massacring those damn Mexicans if they try for independence.

 

EDIT - In sticking with my renaming tradition, Spain is now Spania

 

EDIT EDIT - So is this going to be run like a text based Victoria?

[The Dark Lord]

In a realistic game Britain loses to the US every time. Not because of military strength or anything, but because the combined price of a simple war and then shipping that simple war across a vast ocean is greater than the benefits of having colonies in America.

 

 

AMURICA WON DA WAR!

 

We showed dem damn Redcoats what was comin to them, I tell ya what!

 

We are America. We are superior. Britain just tiny island. We are a continent. We own Canada, and football, and pretty ladies. Mexico does our laundry. India takes our calls. South America makes our coffee, and Africa-America gives us an excuse to make ourselves look good when we donate money for AIDs. Russia gives us an excuse to have a nemesis, and China makes our toys! (Japan does our electronics!)

 

Europe, I don't know what you guys do. I think you guys give an excuse to make up lies about healthcare and how evil social programs Я!

 

We are best!

[paul191600]

Wars on the hegemony:

 

 

 

[Grim_]

You stole that off of H&H forums didn't you <.< On a note about Ye Olde Hegemony I was interested to see how well my plans would have worked (and cursed my apathy for not putting together the trap that I was planning).

[paul191600]

You stole that off of H&H forums didn't you <.< On a note about Ye Olde Hegemony I was interested to see how well my plans would have worked (and cursed my apathy for not putting together the trap that I was planning).

Forum lurker!

Yea I did, but it's true :P

[Retech]

I think we should write a short alternative history for the sake of the game. I don't think rewriting a lot of things and creating new cultures and races would be worth it but if we simply wrap up any problems.

In my opinion America, China, Russia and other super powers should be inhabited only by tribes of enemys that don't attack but only defend what is rightfully theirs.

 

We could say this.

When Christopher Columbus was on the route to discover America for Europe a maelstrom took him off course breaking his boat and killing him, Americans caught sight of the ships and guessed they were invaders so they now have a huge military.

 

Note how these were not exactly THE superpowers back in the day.

 

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In an attempt to forstall any wars between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire (which were too common!), I am allowing you to take most of the really small blue countries right below Russia (except one blop or so, since I need a port!), unless it turns out they're my vassals.

[a_bert]

Calling USA?

 

I don't think anyone took it.

[Iconic]

Dungeonal, I don't think you are allowed to choose the US because as dusty has said:

Start date will be 1776, just at the start of the American Revolution. You can pick any country you want, not just the major powers.

 

I am not sure if the US is established as a major power around this time period, it is mainly luck that the american riots prevailed however it could still be established as a major power if no-one continuously attacks it for weeks and the American Indians don't rebel killing thousands of the English Renegades.

 

Retech, they weren't the superpower of the day but because history happened as it did we need to avoid thinking of America as a superpower when its not.

[Icuownage]

"Not just the major powers"

 

Means... He can be America.

[Retech]

I don't understand what you're saying. Before, you were saying that tribes should inhabit America, China, and Russia. Then I asked why, because there's nothing special about these countries during this time period.

 

Also, Dusty meant you could choose ANY country, from small to big.

[Iconic]

Sorry, I read it wrong.

 

I was wrong about the superpowers.

[Nero]

Spain. And Im massacring those damn Mexicans if they try for independence.

 

EDIT - In sticking with my renaming tradition, Spain is now Spania

 

EDIT EDIT - So is this going to be run like a text based Victoria?

Dunno, I've never played Victoria to tell you the truth.

 

I think we should write a short alternative history for the sake of the game. I don't think rewriting a lot of things and creating new cultures and races would be worth it but if we simply wrap up any problems.

In my opinion America, China, Russia and other super powers should be inhabited only by tribes of enemys that don't attack but only defend what is rightfully theirs.

 

We could say this.

When Christopher Columbus was on the route to discover America for Europe a maelstrom took him off course breaking his boat and killing him, Americans caught sight of the ships and guessed they were invaders so they now have a huge military.

That's just bizarre. And the idea of super powers only came about once the world got crazy industrialized. Russia, China, and America during this time period weren't even very big powers - USA is just newly independent and very small, China is horrendously behind in technology, and Russia is stagnant due to its antiquated government and technological progress.

 

Landgrabbing is almost always blamed as a terrible thing....Especially when by landgrabbing, then a 5 year reset, your economy is much larger and you can land grab even more, until all the land has been grabbed and there is a final showdown and the game ends 1 month in.

 

Trade routes and Infrastructure were both incredibly silly systems if land grabbing is included, they generated virtually no money, and land grabbing generates a tonne of money.

Trade routes also look confusing and all the stuff that you 'could' do with, never happens because people deploy their navy or army, a war occurs and both sides destroy each other....

I was thinking of having a house rule that you can't take more than 5 provinces off a country in a single war. That way it'll stop the 'I'm France and defeated Austria-Hungary and so I annex it' silliness.

 

Of course, Dusty has to decide a system that's convienient for him in the end, since he might find that like me, he doesn't want to deal with everyone's budget every time.

This is true.

Of course it's better to give everyone a tonne of money everytime they pass go.

 

Except that we have to make troops cost per deployment, rather than for purchase. That was a big flaw, which is fixed by deployment. So, there is no issue to that. Chips just make it more complicated, because no leader in their right mind would bet tax money on gambling with such large amounts.

I figured there would be a purchasing cost, and then a deployment cost that is 10% of the purchasing cost every time its used. So, a ship of the line would cost 600,000 to build, and cost you 60,000 each time you use it in an engagement.

 

Communist revolution????? :)

Keep in mind that communism was a byproduct of the industrial revolution, which hasn't actually happened yet.

 

Well the plan was to name them infrastructure, raw materials, agriculture, investment and high stakes....But I thought people will do what they normally do and demand that their investments into infrastructure have some sort of secondary effect.

 

 

Also, that budget mechanic will screw the game over, since countries can only stay the same or get poorer....

 

 

 

What we could do is just make it so that you can gamble once a day, instead of set resets.

If you don't gamble then nothing bad happens.

I was actually thinking of having a system where is was Base, Technology, and Tarriffs. Everyone starts with the same base budget, but depending on what percentage of your provinces are overseas, you get that % x your base budget. So, tarriffs would be hugely beneficial at the start (so GB would have a huge budget), but over time technology would overstrip it.

 

Basically I just want to figure out a way that colonial powers can benefit from being colonial powers, yet not screw over continental powers.

 

I don't understand what you're saying. Before, you were saying that tribes should inhabit America, China, and Russia. Then I asked why, because there's nothing special about these countries during this time period.

 

Also, Dusty meant you could choose ANY country, from small to big.

 

Aye, if you wanted you could be Sardinia-Piedmont, but your chances of survival are pretty slim there.

 

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And I think I'm going to assign the generals for the start, after that people can make them. This way we can have General Blücher marching his Prussians to go fight Marshal Davout hehe.

 

Oh, and do we want a mechanic for the Holy Roman Empire? I think Austria-Hungary was the controller at this point. Maybe give whoever is Emperor a bonus to troop morale or something so its something desirable to become.

 

And, do you guys want to have random events that'll come along? I figure they could be like...revolt pops up, technological advancement, gift of money, ships, or soldiers, subtraction of money, ships, or soldiers, or whatever. Just a little more spice. Then again, I know what happens when we overly complicate these Hegemony games.

[Retech]

Would it be possible to make a communist revolution based on an agrarian society rather than an industrialised one? I figure that it would work with huge communal farms instead of factories.

 

I can look that up (the HRE thing).

 

 

Also, what happens with Russia, which doesn't need an overseas colony (Asia is a next door neighbor).

[Nero]

Well, I plan on having it so that changing government, religion, or your entire social structure will (rightly so) have some very bad consequences. It could be done, but it'll be painful to get through.

 

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Oh, and what do people think of having passive bonuses for different countries?

 

Great Britain

-10% ship costs

 

France

Troop Morale boost

 

Spain

+5% tarrifs

 

Austria-Hungary

Cheaper infantry

 

Ottoman Empire

Less chance of revolts (since it was so religious tolerant)

 

Prussia

Discipline Bonus

 

Russia

-50% Winter attrition

 

Italy

+5% technology progress

 

Sweden (or Scandinavia depending on balancing issues)

-50% winter attrition

 

Netherlands

+10% tarrif income

 

Poland

Cheaper cavalry

 

Portugal

-10% ship costs

 

Holy Roman Emperor

Troop morale boost

[Retech]

Sounds fine to me.

 

 

Could we have premade unique units which replace an existing unit (like Household calvary instead of Hussars for Britain)? Maybe they'd have a small niche that they would excel at better than the replaced unit.

[Earth]

huh. so i guess ima be the cavalry master then? seeing as i get a discount on that stuff.

[Retech]

I strongly encourage allowing the units that were usable in Age of Empires 3. Google the AoE3 wiki for a full list.

 

I was actualy thinking of those. Strelets ftw! :thumbup:

[Nero]

Sounds fine to me.

 

 

Could we have premade unique units which replace an existing unit (like Household calvary instead of Hussars for Britain)? Maybe they'd have a small niche that they would excel at better than the replaced unit.

Yea you can make your own troops.

 

However, if somebody comes to me and tells me they're going to make an army of ninja assassin spies that wield katanas and wear kevlar vests I'll just get them all killed by having them walk off a cliff.

 

These'll be the default units: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Unit_types

after that people can branch off and create their own if they'd like.

[a_bert]

USA bonus pls

[Nero]

USA gets faster assimilation of former European colonies. So, less revolts and whatnot.

[Nero]

In an attempt to forstall any wars between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire (which were too common!), I am allowing you to take most of the really small blue countries right below Russia (except one blop or so, since I need a port!), unless it turns out they're my vassals.

Wait...you're going to give up the Crimea to the Ottomans as Russia?!

 

Gahhhh

 

Um, wouldn't it be easier to use units like Crossbowmen, Strelets, Skirmishers, etc.?

You can use crossbowmen I suppose. I have no idea why you'd want to...but you could.

 

Essentially the unit types are just:

Line infantry

Cavalry (curriaser [heavy], hussar [medium], dragoon [light])

Cannons that go boom

[Retech]

Well it looks small enough. How valuable is it? :S

 

 

 

If it is valuable, then I demand that I own the Crimea, because of its historical value!

[Icuownage]

Are we start post or pre American revolution?