Game Update Delay

[Danqazmlp]

The reason a majority of the complain s are complained about are because they are almost always discussion-less (new word woo). Complaining leads o complaining which leads to complaining. Complimenting leads to speculations which lead to discussions. And to be honest, from my point of view, when a whole page is just people complaining about a game delay, it makes the forum look bad. I certainly wouldn't join a forum where everybody looks miserable and argumentative.

 

Anyway, quoting myself is fun, from the thread when they brought back BTS:

I'm still holding reservations about the BTS. It seems glossy and nice now, but I remember how it was before if they missed an update by a week or held something back. The amount of flames they got if something got delayed was unbelievable, couple that with people speculating about updates from a few words and getting totally the wrong end of the stick and ranting too when the update wasn't what they had made it to be was annoying as hell. I can still see the same few people are going to rant about every update as it comes just as much as they did before.

 

But I will hold on and hope still.

 

Only had to wait until the second BTS to lose hope.

[Maulmachine]

The reason a majority of the complain s are complained about are because they are almost always discussion-less (new word woo). Complaining leads o complaining which leads to complaining. Complimenting leads to speculations which lead to discussions. And to be honest, from my point of view, when a whole page is just people complaining about a game delay, it makes the forum look bad. I certainly wouldn't join a forum where everybody looks miserable and argumentative.

 

Anyway, quoting myself is fun, from the thread when they brought back BTS:

I'm still holding reservations about the BTS. It seems glossy and nice now, but I remember how it was before if they missed an update by a week or held something back. The amount of flames they got if something got delayed was unbelievable, couple that with people speculating about updates from a few words and getting totally the wrong end of the stick and ranting too when the update wasn't what they had made it to be was annoying as hell. I can still see the same few people are going to rant about every update as it comes just as much as they did before.

 

But I will hold on and hope still.

 

Only had to wait until the second BTS to lose hope.

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

[stonewall337]

The reason a majority of the complain s are complained about are because they are almost always discussion-less (new word woo). Complaining leads o complaining which leads to complaining. Complimenting leads to speculations which lead to discussions. And to be honest, from my point of view, when a whole page is just people complaining about a game delay, it makes the forum look bad. I certainly wouldn't join a forum where everybody looks miserable and argumentative.

 

Anyway, quoting myself is fun, from the thread when they brought back BTS:

I'm still holding reservations about the BTS. It seems glossy and nice now, but I remember how it was before if they missed an update by a week or held something back. The amount of flames they got if something got delayed was unbelievable, couple that with people speculating about updates from a few words and getting totally the wrong end of the stick and ranting too when the update wasn't what they had made it to be was annoying as hell. I can still see the same few people are going to rant about every update as it comes just as much as they did before.

 

But I will hold on and hope still.

 

Only had to wait until the second BTS to lose hope.

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

 

Honestly, I'd be for them taking a few months off of major updates, making some epic new content, and then releasing it.

 

BTW: We wouldn't have a 7 page thread here if we had new content.

[Dragonlordjl]

The reason a majority of the complain s are complained about are because they are almost always discussion-less (new word woo). Complaining leads o complaining which leads to complaining. Complimenting leads to speculations which lead to discussions. And to be honest, from my point of view, when a whole page is just people complaining about a game delay, it makes the forum look bad. I certainly wouldn't join a forum where everybody looks miserable and argumentative.

 

Anyway, quoting myself is fun, from the thread when they brought back BTS:

I'm still holding reservations about the BTS. It seems glossy and nice now, but I remember how it was before if they missed an update by a week or held something back. The amount of flames they got if something got delayed was unbelievable, couple that with people speculating about updates from a few words and getting totally the wrong end of the stick and ranting too when the update wasn't what they had made it to be was annoying as hell. I can still see the same few people are going to rant about every update as it comes just as much as they did before.

 

But I will hold on and hope still.

 

Only had to wait until the second BTS to lose hope.

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

 

Honestly, I'd be for them taking a few months off of major updates, making some epic new content, and then releasing it.

 

BTW: We wouldn't have a 7 page thread here if we had new content.

If they decided to take an entire month off in order to "get ahead" with programming so that they could always release bug-tested updates on-time, we'd instead have a seven page thread about "ofmg !!!!1 wtf is this [cabbage], a hole month wifout da updatez?!?!?!?! no updates no pay!111!shifteleventyone!"

[Maulmachine]

The reason a majority of the complain s are complained about are because they are almost always discussion-less (new word woo). Complaining leads o complaining which leads to complaining. Complimenting leads to speculations which lead to discussions. And to be honest, from my point of view, when a whole page is just people complaining about a game delay, it makes the forum look bad. I certainly wouldn't join a forum where everybody looks miserable and argumentative.

 

Anyway, quoting myself is fun, from the thread when they brought back BTS:

I'm still holding reservations about the BTS. It seems glossy and nice now, but I remember how it was before if they missed an update by a week or held something back. The amount of flames they got if something got delayed was unbelievable, couple that with people speculating about updates from a few words and getting totally the wrong end of the stick and ranting too when the update wasn't what they had made it to be was annoying as hell. I can still see the same few people are going to rant about every update as it comes just as much as they did before.

 

But I will hold on and hope still.

 

Only had to wait until the second BTS to lose hope.

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

 

Honestly, I'd be for them taking a few months off of major updates, making some epic new content, and then releasing it.

 

BTW: We wouldn't have a 7 page thread here if we had new content.

Agreed, like expansion pack like updates. Those would be a ton better imo.

[Bladewing]

And to be honest, from my point of view, when a whole page is just people complaining about a game delay, it makes the forum look bad. I certainly wouldn't join a forum where everybody looks miserable and argumentative.

I really hope you didn't mean that. Complaints about the game reflect badly on the GAME, not on the forum. L

[Obtaurian]

The reason a majority of the complain s are complained about are because they are almost always discussion-less (new word woo). Complaining leads o complaining which leads to complaining. Complimenting leads to speculations which lead to discussions. And to be honest, from my point of view, when a whole page is just people complaining about a game delay, it makes the forum look bad. I certainly wouldn't join a forum where everybody looks miserable and argumentative.

 

Anyway, quoting myself is fun, from the thread when they brought back BTS:

I'm still holding reservations about the BTS. It seems glossy and nice now, but I remember how it was before if they missed an update by a week or held something back. The amount of flames they got if something got delayed was unbelievable, couple that with people speculating about updates from a few words and getting totally the wrong end of the stick and ranting too when the update wasn't what they had made it to be was annoying as hell. I can still see the same few people are going to rant about every update as it comes just as much as they did before.

 

But I will hold on and hope still.

 

Only had to wait until the second BTS to lose hope.

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

 

Honestly, I'd be for them taking a few months off of major updates, making some epic new content, and then releasing it.

 

BTW: We wouldn't have a 7 page thread here if we had new content.

Agreed, like expansion pack like updates. Those would be a ton better imo.

 

I would be happy with this. It'd be cool to get one big chunk of ready-to-go, bug-tested updates.

[Den]

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

The update was ready...

 

The graphics engine was not.

[Dexek]

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

I honestly wouldn't mind a month with 0 updates where Jagex was working on their updates, but would now be a month ahead of schedule from there on out. They would have their updates for the next month completed and polished before even letting the public know what to expect. They could then implement their updates accordingly while working on the next months without the stress of having to release it for that particular month.

 

The only problem with this is they seem like the company that might have the mentality that "Ohh we're ahead a month, we can afford to hold back this update" which would get them back to square one. I completely understand there being unplanned setbacks, but as said earlier, with the BTS they should include some small text at the bottom just saying "This is what we hope to accomplish for this month. These updates may or may not occur, dependant on available time and potential setbacks. Have a great month!" Nothing wrong with covering their asses from hormonal teenagers. Hell, I think they do a great job with regular updates. I also love reading the BTS. The only bothersome thing is feeling they have set a deadline, and even going to sleep earlier so I can meet the update before work, only to find it will not occur that day. Although, that is partially my fault for not reading between the lines at times, and expecting what can not always be delivered.

 

 

 

:thumbup:

[Tim]

At least there thinking of us unfortunate players who cant afford good PCs, so I'll give them a :thumbup: for now.

[Sir_Squab]

If you were the boss of a major corporation and one of your employees accidentally made the company lose $90,000, would you say, "Oh don't worry about it, you're only human-- I understand!"

 

So if they get a year of updates done and don't release them, that's ok with you?

 

Mommy why are these crybabies using straw man arguments?

 

Because they realize there is no mature way to validate their rage at a week delay on a video game, honey.

 

By the way, $90,000 would equate to approximately 18,000 accounts quitting over this, or all of Jagex's world servers exploding simultaneously many times over. I know Geoff Iddison holds a grudge, but I don't think he has access to the kind of explosives you'd need to cause damage on that level.

 

Please clarify the original point then; I don't quite see how that can be viewed as a straw man argument.

 

I used that example because my previous boss was fired for that exact reason-- a simple mistake which cost the company dozens of thousands of dollars. Using "they're only human" is not a strong argument here. I don't understand how employees at Jagex can still have jobs if they consistently keep botching updates.

 

Because with computers, it's quite often something you couldn't really predict, NOT human error. If anything, the only human error was announcing it on the BTS, without knowing 100% that they could release it this month, while still giving people the impression (falsely or otherwise, that's probably up to debate) that it WAS 100% guaranteed.

 

 

The difference is they arn't botching them. Jagex never said they do WEEKLY updates, they only said "frequent updates". People have come to expect them to be weekly, but Jagex never advertised that to be the case. Heck even in the "members benefits" trailer they say MONTHLY updates.

 

What I would really prefer is removing the BTS and putting in status updates (every 2-3 months or so) saying X Y and Z are in production, and will likley be released in the coming weeks in no particular order. The problem with twitter hints is nobody knew what was going on. The problem with BTS is people think BTS is a timetable not a future updates page. I think if they throw all the upcoming updates out there and don't say the order, people will know what is coming, but have no reason to expect update Y should here by X date.

This thread is not about the promise of monthly updates, as they have already released 2 updates this week, but the fact that they wrote a ~10 line giddy story on their page that turned out not to be true. Sure, this is not a big deal for most people, but at the same time, there are some people who were promised this update within the next 3 days and they are not going to get what they were promised, and some of them might not at all get to try out the update as they are losing members in the coming days(as school starts in some countries etc). So, no, this is not a major deal in terms of gameplay, but on the otherhand, this is a huge deal for jagex credibility, decency and user-friendliness. It'd be nice if anyone actually went to a national consumer protection agency and reported jagex for false advertising, which this undoubtedly is.

 

Honestly....ok, I'll sue Jagex for making me waste my membership on an update that didn't happen. I fly to Britain, hire a lawyer, go to court....Jagex gives me 20 pounds or euros or dollars to cover my wasted membership. Case dismissed, I've now lost probably over a grand between the fliight, and hiring the lawyer....

 

Anyways, another thing. This new update is just a small amount of what membership has to offer. A good lawyer would point out that missing out on this one piece of content is not truly false advertising, as when you bought membership you paid for dozens or hundreds of other features that membership gives, which you DID in fact receive. (But if I actually took them to court, Jagex would just give me a couple months free membership - it'd be the cheapest option for them, rather then hiring a lawyer and having someone spend several hours in court.)

 

Besides, the better business bureau is for outright scams. This was not an outright scam, it was more or less a computer error causing then to have to set something back by a week. (For all you straw-men or example dudes or what-not, do people get fired in the business world because a computer error set their project back a week? Probably not.) It's not like they offer membership but no bonuses, or completely scrapped all projects listed in the BTS and sat back and drank beer for a month.

 

In before next week's inevitable:

 

"This is all garbage jamflex, these items suck! They aren't better than what we already have! They're too expensive/rare! They don't even look good! Waaaaaah! "

 

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES!

 

This is most definitely the most logical thing I have read on this rant. WIN :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Demario]

Selling Prayer Gear and Dragon Mask!!!!! :mrgreen:

 

i accept money and rare items...

[Den]

Selling Prayer Gear and Dragon Mask!!!!! :mrgreen:

 

i accept money and rare items...

 

Dont forget rising items. ;)

[Maulmachine]

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

The update was ready...

 

The graphics engine was not.

I don't understand you. The update required a graphics engine update which didn't exist. Quality-Assurance should have gotten that, but since they are so rushed they didn't.

 

I knew someone had suggested it earlier! Glad it was you, Pure. :mrgreen:

[Danqazmlp]

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

The update was ready...

 

The graphics engine was not.

I don't understand you. The update required a graphics engine update which didn't exist. Quality-Assurance should have gotten that, but since they are so rushed they didn't.

 

I knew someone had suggested it earlier! Glad it was you, Pure. :mrgreen:

 

Did you read the explanation? The QA team do not use computers which don't work with the update. The only fault would be that the managers had brought those certain computers for the QA team to use. But there is almost no way the could predict that they would need older and slower computers for one update a few years down the line. In no way has the workload of the QA team effected this delay.

 

 

And bladewing, pages and pages and pages of complaining with no discussion does reflect badly on the forum and you are fooling yourself if you think it does not.

[Maulmachine]

In my opinion they should only announce updates that are done, bug-tested, and ready. I dislike that the updates they announce at the beginning of the month aren't bug-checked until a few days until the update. Guess I'd go with whoever suggested they take a month out and just get their act together.

 

The update was ready...

 

The graphics engine was not.

I don't understand you. The update required a graphics engine update which didn't exist. Quality-Assurance should have gotten that, but since they are so rushed they didn't.

 

I knew someone had suggested it earlier! Glad it was you, Pure. :mrgreen:

 

Did you read the explanation? The QA team do not use computers which don't work with the update. The only fault would be that the managers had brought those certain computers for the QA team to use. But there is almost no way the could predict that they would need older and slower computers for one update a few years down the line. In no way has the workload of the QA team effected this delay.

 

 

And bladewing, pages and pages and pages of complaining with no discussion does reflect badly on the forum and you are fooling yourself if you think it does not.

Yes Dan, I read the explanation. Believe it or not, I believe that you should test all updates on a lower end computer before, oh I dunno, the Wednesday of the update week. Since you are not a member of the QA team, I'd question the veracity of that statement. It isn't necessarily the large amount of updates that need to be checked, more than a large amount of things that need to be checked in a small amount of updates.

 

Dan, may I ask how this reflects badly on the forum? Just a little confused, as no doubt a forum with any form of opinion on it is objectionable, and thus reflects poorly upon the forum, to somebody.

[Racheya]

How do you know that they hadn't tested it before the Wednesday? Maybe they were testing it at the weekend, or the Monday and found the problem but were trying to get it fixed for this week. When they realised that they couldn't get it fixed, they told us it'd be postponed.

 

Since none of us actually KNOW what happened, this guesswork is just guesswork and is rather pointless as well.

[Maulmachine]

How do you know that they hadn't tested it before the Wednesday? Maybe they were testing it at the weekend, or the Monday and found the problem but were trying to get it fixed for this week. When they realised that they couldn't get it fixed, they told us it'd be postponed.

 

Since none of us actually KNOW what happened, this guesswork is just guesswork and is rather pointless as well.

We can speculate and form reasonable conclusions. As such, it is not pointless. Such last minute testing is exactly what I was talking about, and why I advocate a month off.

[Blutters]

K, so, do they actually work over the weekend...? Don't tell me it's obvious either way because it's not. <_<

 

And if we wanted to be productive we could speculate about exactly why they needed a graphics engine upgrade for this.

I'm thinking they're upgrading the basic (bronze through rune) armors or perhaps adding the more detailed faces/make-up.

[xxshady]

K, so, do they actually work over the weekend...? Don't tell me it's obvious either way because it's not. <_<

 

And if we wanted to be productive we could speculate about exactly why they needed a graphics engine upgrade for this.

I'm thinking they're upgrading the basic (bronze through rune) armors or perhaps adding the more detailed faces/make-up.

 

Player Support works nights and weekends (shift system). Everyone else works 9 to 6, overtime isn't allowed at Jagex (stated by MMG).

 

And they already said why they are going to use zbuffering. It's an industry standard technique which will remove the zbias bugs we have been having ( the weird flickering on certain objects). Additionally it will allow for more complex models and animations for the future.

[Blutters]

K, so, do they actually work over the weekend...? Don't tell me it's obvious either way because it's not. <_<

 

And if we wanted to be productive we could speculate about exactly why they needed a graphics engine upgrade for this.

I'm thinking they're upgrading the basic (bronze through rune) armors or perhaps adding the more detailed faces/make-up.

 

Player Support works nights and weekends (shift system). Everyone else works 9 to 6, overtime isn't allowed at Jagex (stated by MMG).

 

And they already said why they are going to use zbuffering. It's an industry standard technique which will remove the zbias bugs we have been having ( the weird flickering on certain objects). Additionally it will allow for more complex models and animations for the future.

So this means they won't actually resume working on it until Monday?

 

And they said they couldn't release this update without that, meaning it is in some way connected to and used by the update itself.

[Den]

Mod Ash was saying Mod Nexus was working on it I think, but he wasnt done with it on friday.

The BTS was done however, so that should be out Monday.

[Bladewing]

Mod Ash was saying Mod Nexus was working on it I think, but he wasnt done with it on friday.

The BTS was done however, so that should be out Monday.

I would laugh really hard if they delayed the release of the BTS. The irony would probably kill me.

[Ezz]

Funny how a thread about a week's delay in an update gets 8 pages (150'ish replies).

[Maulmachine]

Funny how a thread about a week's delay in an update gets 8 pages (150'ish replies).

About equal to what a update usually gets by this time. People have as strong as feelings about the lack of an update as they do for released content. It's happened before.