Game Update Delay

[Den]

Take a look at all the GWD and other high-priced items: since the beginning of the month, they've been in a free-fall, primarily because people a) want to have spare cash on-hand to buy new TT items and b) because people are scared the new TT items will be better than their current gear. After the TT items come out and people see that they aren't better than their Bandos and Armadyl gear, there will be a huge buy-out in those items, making the prices soar and making them unbuyable for a couple of weeks.

 

Thats why you buy them before they start going up again. :P

[SirHartlar]

Having a BTS wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, Jagex should just make sure they have all the updates ready to go live before they release the BTS. It honestly isn't a difficult concept to grasp, if you tell people you are going to give them something and then don't give it to them they are going to be upset. It is perfectly within reason for paying customers to make their views heard (even if done immaturely sometimes).

[Aiel]

They should honestly just take a month off and from then on have all updates ready to launch when they release the BTS. No 3 day delays, updates could be released at a set time each week.

[Bladewing]

Having a BTS is necessarily a bad idea, the only thing it does is induce market speculation.

[FIREWORKS]

They need to get rid of BTS again.

 

 

Anyway, the game engine stuff sounds cool. Better graphics for everyone.

[Dragonlordjl]

Having a BTS is necessarily a bad idea, the only thing it does is induce market speculation.

And create so much hype that it's almost impossible for any update to be well-received.

[Triquos]

I don't mind the delay, as long as the 99 capes are fixed for male characters. A few updates ago, 99 capes on guys went through the jagex washing machine and shrunk lol.

 

Also I demand a new slayer cape emote kthx =D

 

Nah I'm alright with this, it better be released 1st week of august then lol, if it was delayed twice I would be very annoyed to say the least.

 

The RS forums had me convinced it was going to be last night. There was a jagex post in which the title was edited to "the waiting room" building even more suspense that it was going to be last night. In the end tons of spammers, trolls and ascii artists bombarded the thread and it had to be locked. Then we were all refered to the new sticky showing it was going to be delayed till august :( lots of upset people and their hopes were shattered.

[timmmmm83]

They should honestly just take a month off and from then on have all updates ready to launch when they release the BTS. No 3 day delays, updates could be released at a set time each week.

+1

 

Would make their life a lot easier.

(although I like a surprise but with BTS the surprise-effect is already gone :-P)

[Sir_Squab]

GET RID OF THE [bleep]ING BTS!

 

The twitters were, imo, far more effective than the BTS. First, they created a little suspense as you couldn't always tell what the update would be. Second, it gave Jagex some flexibility with releasing stuff when they wanted. Thirdly, it prevented the over-hyping that leads to most updates being considered failures, since by the time an update in the BTS comes up it has usually been extremely overhyped by the RSOF drones-- the more hype anything receives, the more difficult it is for the actual release to meet expectations and that applies to anything in life. Fourth, the BTS leads to massive item speculation, which very negatively affects the economy.

 

Take a look at all the GWD and other high-priced items: since the beginning of the month, they've been in a free-fall, primarily because people a) want to have spare cash on-hand to buy new TT items and b) because people are scared the new TT items will be better than their current gear. After the TT items come out and people see that they aren't better than their Bandos and Armadyl gear, there will be a huge buy-out in those items, making the prices soar and making them unbuyable for a couple of weeks.

 

Now, I don't plan my schedules around updates because frankly, I couldn't give a [cabbage] less about most of the updates Jagex releases. For me, as a high level player, more often than not the "In other news" sections have more relevance to me than the actual main update. Whether or not there is an update, I usually just carry on doing whatever I was doing before the update. However, with the BTS present, people wildly speculate on items they believe the update will affect, which DOES actually affect me. And I don't like that-- I don't like losing tens of millions in net worth because of the masses of 14 year old sheeple panic-selling their items on behalf of the BTS. The same crap will happen again and again each month the BTS exists too---the BTS says you'll need a high level in X buyable skill? Guess what: all items used to train that skill will be bought out until a week or two after the update goes live, after which it will be likely that you can't even sell them at minimum price.

 

What you should do then, is "buy" these items that went down due to speculation. And remember - you haven't lost money unless you SELL said armor/weapons. And personally, I like the idea of being able to work on getting skills up for an update before hand - yeah, it causes skill training stuff to be bought out, but really, it would just get bought out when the actual update comes itself. At least this way, you can work on training the skill yourself before ze update...

[Monkeyanniee]

I quit the game cause of [cabbage] like this.

Every week I come and visit TIF to see if there is a good reason for me to come back to the game and the answer is always no.

Its either some update that doesnt impress me, which is understandable, not all updates will, but when I do look forward to something this happens.

Every time theres an 'engine' update nothing changes in the actual [bleep]ing game in the next update it just buys them some more time.

I understand everyone wanting them to wait and remove all the bugs but when I used to play the game I didnt have to wait a week for that crap, they did it in the time frame they set.

Now they dont meet deadlines most of the time, and that really annoys me, i dont care what anyone says.

~M

[Sir_Kurity]

There was supposed to be a graphics update?

 

News to me.

[Omali]

If you were the boss of a major corporation and one of your employees accidentally made the company lose $90,000, would you say, "Oh don't worry about it, you're only human-- I understand!"

 

So if they get a year of updates done and don't release them, that's ok with you?

 

Mommy why are these crybabies using straw man arguments?

 

Because they realize there is no mature way to validate their rage at a week delay on a video game, honey.

 

By the way, $90,000 would equate to approximately 18,000 accounts quitting over this, or all of Jagex's world servers exploding simultaneously many times over. I know Geoff Iddison holds a grudge, but I don't think he has access to the kind of explosives you'd need to cause damage on that level.

[muggiwhplar]

If you were the boss of a major corporation and one of your employees accidentally made the company lose $90,000, would you say, "Oh don't worry about it, you're only human-- I understand!"

 

So if they get a year of updates done and don't release them, that's ok with you?

 

Mommy why are these crybabies using straw man arguments?

 

Because they realize there is no mature way to validate their rage at a week delay on a video game, honey.

 

By the way, $90,000 would equate to approximately 18,000 accounts quitting over this, or all of Jagex's world servers exploding simultaneously many times over. I know Geoff Iddison holds a grudge, but I don't think he has access to the kind of explosives you'd need to cause damage on that level.

 

Please clarify the original point then; I don't quite see how that can be viewed as a straw man argument.

 

I used that example because my previous boss was fired for that exact reason-- a simple mistake which cost the company dozens of thousands of dollars. Using "they're only human" is not a strong argument here. I don't understand how employees at Jagex can still have jobs if they consistently keep botching updates.

[BeNiceOk]

If you were the boss of a major corporation and one of your employees accidentally made the company lose $90,000, would you say, "Oh don't worry about it, you're only human-- I understand!"

 

So if they get a year of updates done and don't release them, that's ok with you?

 

Mommy why are these crybabies using straw man arguments?

 

Because they realize there is no mature way to validate their rage at a week delay on a video game, honey.

 

By the way, $90,000 would equate to approximately 18,000 accounts quitting over this, or all of Jagex's world servers exploding simultaneously many times over. I know Geoff Iddison holds a grudge, but I don't think he has access to the kind of explosives you'd need to cause damage on that level.

 

Please clarify the original point then; I don't quite see how that can be viewed as a straw man argument.

 

I used that example because my previous boss was fired for that exact reason-- a simple mistake which cost the company dozens of thousands of dollars. Using "they're only human" is not a strong argument here. I don't understand how employees at Jagex can still have jobs if they consistently keep botching updates.

 

The difference is they arn't botching them. Jagex never said they do WEEKLY updates, they only said "frequent updates". People have come to expect them to be weekly, but Jagex never advertised that to be the case. Heck even in the "members benefits" trailer they say MONTHLY updates.

 

What I would really prefer is removing the BTS and putting in status updates (every 2-3 months or so) saying X Y and Z are in production, and will likley be released in the coming weeks in no particular order. The problem with twitter hints is nobody knew what was going on. The problem with BTS is people think BTS is a timetable not a future updates page. I think if they throw all the upcoming updates out there and don't say the order, people will know what is coming, but have no reason to expect update Y should here by X date.

[silvermist82]

 

 

I quit the game cause of [cabbage] like this.
Every week I come and visit TIF to see if there is a good reason for me to come back to the game and the answer is always no.
Its either some update that doesnt impress me, which is understandable, not all updates will, but when I do look forward to something this happens.
Every time theres an 'engine' update nothing changes in the actual [bleep]ing game in the next update it just buys them some more time.
I understand everyone wanting them to wait and remove all the bugs but when I used to play the game I didnt have to wait a week for that crap, they did it in the time frame they set.
Now they dont meet deadlines most of the time, and that really annoys me, i dont care what anyone says.
~M

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[Dupin]

I'm a bit late to the party here, but the reaction on RSOF is just ridiculous. Seriously, what do these kids (and perhaps adults) get fed in the morning that they go about the day feeling so entitled? More importantly, who cares if Jagex needs a few more days to fix the update? It doesn't really matter if one update gets delayed a bit, especially when the reason for this delay is that there was a legitimate problem with the update. Go buy the majority of Jagex's stock, or get an administrative position, and then you can complain.

[spoiler=Big quote]

If you were the boss of a major corporation and one of your employees accidentally made the company lose $90,000, would you say, "Oh don't worry about it, you're only human-- I understand!"

 

So if they get a year of updates done and don't release them, that's ok with you?

 

Mommy why are these crybabies using straw man arguments?

 

Because they realize there is no mature way to validate their rage at a week delay on a video game, honey.

 

By the way, $90,000 would equate to approximately 18,000 accounts quitting over this, or all of Jagex's world servers exploding simultaneously many times over. I know Geoff Iddison holds a grudge, but I don't think he has access to the kind of explosives you'd need to cause damage on that level.

 

Please clarify the original point then; I don't quite see how that can be viewed as a straw man argument.

 

I used that example because my previous boss was fired for that exact reason-- a simple mistake which cost the company dozens of thousands of dollars. Using "they're only human" is not a strong argument here. I don't understand how employees at Jagex can still have jobs if they consistently keep botching updates.

 

 

A straw man argument is when the original problem is replaced with a theoretical problem of questionable relativity. The argument can be easily destroyed by pointing out that the substitution is entirely irrelevant, or at least disproportionate. Jagex needed a bit more time for an update, and you're talking about losing $90k and some other ridiculous thing about "withholding our precious updates".

 

I don't understand how employees at Jagex can still have jobs if they consistently keep botching updates.

 

Generalizations based on one small isolated event (which was already blown out of proportion to begin with) are always fun to read, but they really have no place in intelligent discussion. Jagex releases updates when it feels updates are ready, and over the years it has consistently managed to release content that the majority of players are satisfied with. The fact of the matter is that it does not "consistently keep botching updates", this is just your own opinion. If this is what you truly believe, I would reccommend that you stop reading RSOF.

 

 

Oh, and on a more pleasant note, I look forward to seeing what Jagex will do with this new graphics update. Some sort of angelic/demonic wings that extend beyond one square could potentially be quite interesting.

[muggiwhplar]

I'm a bit late to the party here, but the reaction on RSOF is just ridiculous. Seriously, what do these kids (and perhaps adults) get fed in the morning that they go about the day feeling so entitled? More importantly, who cares if Jagex needs a few more days to fix the update? It doesn't really matter if one update gets delayed a bit, especially when the reason for this delay is that there was a legitimate problem with the update. Go buy the majority of Jagex's stock, or get an administrative position, and then you can complain.

[spoiler=Big quote]

If you were the boss of a major corporation and one of your employees accidentally made the company lose $90,000, would you say, "Oh don't worry about it, you're only human-- I understand!"

 

So if they get a year of updates done and don't release them, that's ok with you?

 

Mommy why are these crybabies using straw man arguments?

 

Because they realize there is no mature way to validate their rage at a week delay on a video game, honey.

 

By the way, $90,000 would equate to approximately 18,000 accounts quitting over this, or all of Jagex's world servers exploding simultaneously many times over. I know Geoff Iddison holds a grudge, but I don't think he has access to the kind of explosives you'd need to cause damage on that level.

 

Please clarify the original point then; I don't quite see how that can be viewed as a straw man argument.

 

I used that example because my previous boss was fired for that exact reason-- a simple mistake which cost the company dozens of thousands of dollars. Using "they're only human" is not a strong argument here. I don't understand how employees at Jagex can still have jobs if they consistently keep botching updates.

 

 

A straw man argument is when the original problem is replaced with a theoretical problem of questionable relativity. The argument can be easily destroyed by pointing out that the substitution is entirely irrelevant, or at least disproportionate. Jagex needed a bit more time for an update, and you're talking about losing $90k and some other ridiculous thing about "withholding our precious updates".

 

Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it.

 

I don't understand how employees at Jagex can still have jobs if they consistently keep botching updates.

 

Generalizations based on one small isolated event (which was already blown out of proportion to begin with) are always fun to read, but they really have no place in intelligent discussion. Jagex releases updates when it feels updates are ready, and over the years it has consistently managed to release content that the majority of players are satisfied with. The fact of the matter is that it does not "consistently keep botching updates", this is just your own opinion. If this is what you truly believe, I would reccommend that you stop reading RSOF.

 

I hardly ever read the RSOF-- I don't understand how that comes into play here. Regardless, we'll just have to agree to disagree and I'll remain retired. There-- everyone's happy :)

[lordkafei]

I'm a bit late to the party here, but the reaction on RSOF is just ridiculous. Seriously, what do these kids (and perhaps adults) get fed in the morning that they go about the day feeling so entitled? More importantly, who cares if Jagex needs a few more days to fix the update? It doesn't really matter if one update gets delayed a bit, especially when the reason for this delay is that there was a legitimate problem with the update. Go buy the majority of Jagex's stock, or get an administrative position, and then you can complain.

 

Just so we all know, Jagex is a privately held company; you can't buy stock in it.

[xpx]

The difference is they arn't botching them. Jagex never said they do WEEKLY updates, they only said "frequent updates". People have come to expect them to be weekly, but Jagex never advertised that to be the case. Heck even in the "members benefits" trailer they say MONTHLY updates.

 

What I would really prefer is removing the BTS and putting in status updates (every 2-3 months or so) saying X Y and Z are in production, and will likley be released in the coming weeks in no particular order. The problem with twitter hints is nobody knew what was going on. The problem with BTS is people think BTS is a timetable not a future updates page. I think if they throw all the upcoming updates out there and don't say the order, people will know what is coming, but have no reason to expect update Y should here by X date.

This thread is not about the promise of monthly updates, as they have already released 2 updates this week, but the fact that they wrote a ~10 line giddy story on their page that turned out not to be true. Sure, this is not a big deal for most people, but at the same time, there are some people who were promised this update within the next 3 days and they are not going to get what they were promised, and some of them might not at all get to try out the update as they are losing members in the coming days(as school starts in some countries etc). So, no, this is not a major deal in terms of gameplay, but on the otherhand, this is a huge deal for jagex credibility, decency and user-friendliness. It'd be nice if anyone actually went to a national consumer protection agency and reported jagex for false advertising, which this undoubtedly is.

[miracleman58]

I think some people take what Jagex say to seriously - its a game afterall just play it and when you get something new enjoy it, dont anticipate it and go mental when it doesnt come. Be patient and grow up. Go outside and do something if it really bothers you that much.

 

Just looking at this thread. No wonder they took out BTS. Wow...

[Triquos]

The difference is they arn't botching them. Jagex never said they do WEEKLY updates, they only said "frequent updates". People have come to expect them to be weekly, but Jagex never advertised that to be the case. Heck even in the "members benefits" trailer they say MONTHLY updates.

 

Yeah but even if they were monthly updates, they just pushed the treasure trails to next month, which therefore doesn't even make it a monthly update, it makes it a 2 monthly update. Anyways...

[Maulmachine]

I think some people take what Jagex say to seriously - its a game afterall just play it and when you get something new enjoy it, dont anticipate it and go mental when it doesnt come. Be patient and grow up. Go outside and do something if it really bothers you that much.

 

Just looking at this thread. No wonder they took out BTS. Wow...

I don't understand, how is your position any more mature? You're being just as obnoxious by creating an argument and being downright mean. A little frustration isn't the end of the world, nor is this uncommon! Just wait for it to pass, go outside and do something if it really bothers you that much.

[Kata_Phfract__the_slayer]

i remeber on a tream somewhere on tif, there was a smal conversaytion about how its the lest week of the month and thus the people where willing to bet gp it would come on that day...

 

...i knew it would be delayed, just knew it! :razz:

 

anyway, this really dows not have too much to talk about, the ability for emotes to be bigger then 1 squere will be sweet, but besides that i cant find anything intresting.

[Jehosaphat]

the ability for emotes to be bigger then 1 squere will be sweet

Def cape emote: TURN INTO A MASSIVE TANK

Summoning cape emote: Have a small copy of every familiar appear around you until you are surrounded by them. Then they eat you.

Range cape emote: Goblin shows up 20 feet away and starts charging at you. You pull out a bow and PWN ITS FACE.

Hunter cape emote: Same thing as trapping a larupia.

 

Just a few theories I have. Time to circulate them on the RSOF.

 

OT: See my previous post.

[Vulxai]

Oh no, I have to wait for an update.