Should i get a chaotic?

[Wisky_is_Goo]

I do mostly slayer, and im currently 122 CB... BUT

 

I HATE dungeoneering. Hate it. but im allured at the prospect of a chaotic weapon... So what im looking for is this:

 

Timetable ( in hours or days ) of how long it would take from level 55 with NO tokens.

 

How to start: ive never gone in a team, and only done from like floor 1-4.

 

and its obviously worth it right?

[gremmy]

Slacking: 2-3 weeks, srs business 1-2

Solo level 1-40 medium floors c6, 5:5 large floors from there

yes.

[Bladewing]

5:5 large the top 10 floors you can do

solo c3 the rest

 

i think it's worth it

[Wisky_is_Goo]

So basically, solo medium c6 all but the last ten i can do, those do in a 5 man team Large?

[Wisky_is_Goo]

Sorry for the double post, but id like some concensus on what to do here, ive heard alot about "rushing" certain floors and such, but is there a generally accepted way to the fastest XP?

 

Which floors should i speed through at c1 small? or something like that?

 

Which to do at solo medium, and what to do 5:5 large?

[Elf Spice]

Looking at Grimy's spreedsheets for Prestige 47, the max xp/hr is obtained doing larges starting at F31, meaning doing the lowest 16 floors as a large and anything higher as a c1 small.

 

I know you're not 47 prestige and I might not be able to extrapolate optimal XP/hr from your level accurately, but I would say do the lowest 10-15 floors you can do as a large and anything higher as a c1 small.

[Wisky_is_Goo]

Just took a look at the spreadsheet, and WOW lol. I have not a clue on how to interpret it. Any tips?

[Zaaps1]

Technically speaking, yes, it's worth it. That's because you'll get, or be close to, 85 dungeoneering when you have your 200k tokens.

[manitstinks]

Looking at Grimy's spreedsheets for Prestige 47, the max xp/hr is obtained doing larges starting at F31, meaning doing the lowest 16 floors as a large and anything higher as a c1 small.

 

I know you're not 47 prestige and I might not be able to extrapolate optimal XP/hr from your level accurately, but I would say do the lowest 10-15 floors you can do as a large and anything higher as a c1 small.

So you're saying, do f1-10 as a large? What do you mean by the lowest floors.

[Elf Spice]

The lowest in depth, not in number

53 DG means the lowest floor you can do is F27

 

27-10=17

27-15=12

 

Meaning start doing larges between F12-17

[yuyu13]

Looking at Grimy's spreedsheets for Prestige 47, the max xp/hr is obtained doing larges starting at F31, meaning doing the lowest 16 floors as a large and anything higher as a c1 small.

 

I know you're not 47 prestige and I might not be able to extrapolate optimal XP/hr from your level accurately, but I would say do the lowest 10-15 floors you can do as a large and anything higher as a c1 small.

So you're saying, do f1-10 as a large? What do you mean by the lowest floors.

 

The deepest floors, I assume. As the floor number increases, your actual location descends deeper into the ground. The lowest floors would be highest number floors.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Looking at Grimy's spreedsheets for Prestige 47, the max xp/hr is obtained doing larges starting at F31, meaning doing the lowest 16 floors as a large and anything higher as a c1 small.

 

I know you're not 47 prestige and I might not be able to extrapolate optimal XP/hr from your level accurately, but I would say do the lowest 10-15 floors you can do as a large and anything higher as a c1 small.

So you're saying, do f1-10 as a large? What do you mean by the lowest floors.

 

The deepest floors, I assume. As the floor number increases, your actual location descends deeper into the ground. The lowest floors would be highest number floors.

just FYI, that spreadsheet requires you input your own values.

If you're just reading the spreadsheet, and for all you know, someone else input completely BS values.

the result you just read could be complete BS <3

[Kinosjourney]

IMO you shouldn't get a Chaotic Rapier or CLS, they are both dumb.

 

Chaotic Rapier does a few points more damage than a whip but there is no big accuracy difference, especially in pvp where most plate armors have higher stab than slash defence.

Chaotic Longsword is slower than a whip in exchange for a bit more damage, not worth it IMO.

 

The weapon you should get is Chaotic Maul, it's the strongest weapon in the game and is really amazing in pvp(which should be the reason why you are getting chaotic weapons as theres no big reason to get them for monster hunting, there already are alot of good weapons that takes alot less effort)

[Kimberly]

IMO you shouldn't get a Chaotic Rapier or CLS, they are both dumb.

 

You are comparing these weapons from an entirely pvp-based point of view. You can't effectively do so and present it as fact when you don't even know what the OP is using the weapons for...The chaotic rapier, longsword, and maul have their respective perks that would tailor to the type of player they are. Not everyone is a pker, nor every player a boss hunter, etc. Your conclusions surely are right (for pkers) but you'd better help people to find out their purpose if you're going to suggest alternatives to what their goals are.

[Nifflin]

IMO you shouldn't get a Chaotic Rapier or CLS, they are both dumb.

 

Chaotic Rapier does a few points more damage than a whip but there is no big accuracy difference, especially in pvp where most plate armors have higher stab than slash defence.

Chaotic Longsword is slower than a whip in exchange for a bit more damage, not worth it IMO.

 

The weapon you should get is Chaotic Maul, it's the strongest weapon in the game and is really amazing in pvp(which should be the reason why you are getting chaotic weapons as theres no big reason to get them for monster hunting, there already are alot of good weapons that takes alot less effort)

 

OP specified that he wants to use it for slayer, not PVP. Therefor your analysis as to why Chaotic Maul is best, based only on PVP, is very flawed. Furthermore you don't really have the stats to do any higher level slayer or boss hunting which are the main uses of the rapier, and therefor are ill equipped to judge its effectiveness.

 

The Chaotic Rapier does noticeably more damage and is certainly worth it for slayer, long or maul are useless for slayer. If you ever decide to boss hunt rapier will serve you well there too.

 

Edit: Kimberly beat me to it, thats what I get for not refreshing after going AFK.

[Emerson]

IMO you shouldn't get a Chaotic Rapier or CLS, they are both dumb.

 

Chaotic Rapier does a few points more damage than a whip but there is no big accuracy difference, especially in pvp where most plate armors have higher stab than slash defence.

Chaotic Longsword is slower than a whip in exchange for a bit more damage, not worth it IMO.

 

The weapon you should get is Chaotic Maul, it's the strongest weapon in the game and is really amazing in pvp(which should be the reason why you are getting chaotic weapons as theres no big reason to get them for monster hunting, there already are alot of good weapons that takes alot less effort)

 

1) just no. You lack the levels to even wield them so your evidence is marginal at best

2) as stated above OP wants them for slayer so the whole PVP argument (which in my humble opinion pvp is the dumbest damn thing ever now so it shouldn't be brought up to begin with) is invalid.

3) You don't really get high-level monster hunting do you? When you have bosses like Bandos and DKs which are highly competitive you either have the best equipment or get crashed. There is no such thing as being able to settle for second best and get on a good team or keep a world.

4) As far as the weapon choice itself is concerned I would personally go for the longsword... seeing as overall dps increases speed is irrelevant. Furthermore a cls is not "a bit more damage on top of a whip" (as that would be the rapier). 82 vs 120 strength bonus is a huge difference and 42 higher attack is almost a godsend. Couple that with a defender and you have a weapon that is both more accurate and faster than a godsword (while it would have 7 less str bonus the speed makes up for that) or for higher level solos you could use a dfs and get 8 less attack and 7 less strength less than a godsword which is a minimal difference at most. (Again the higher speed makes up for it imo) The dfs + cls also provides you with some great defensive bonuses, invaluable on harder monsters and bosses.

 

...That'd be my two cents anyways :P

[Quyneax]

IMO you shouldn't get a Chaotic Rapier or CLS, they are both dumb.

 

Chaotic Rapier does a few points more damage than a whip but there is no big accuracy difference, especially in pvp where most plate armors have higher stab than slash defence.

Chaotic Longsword is slower than a whip in exchange for a bit more damage, not worth it IMO.

 

The weapon you should get is Chaotic Maul, it's the strongest weapon in the game and is really amazing in pvp(which should be the reason why you are getting chaotic weapons as theres no big reason to get them for monster hunting, there already are alot of good weapons that takes alot less effort)

I guess I'll add another post about how this is not right :wink:.

 

The rapier, of all weapons, has the highest dps on targets of essentially infinite defence with equal slash/stab/crush defence, assuming maxed boosts. The maul will only outperform the rapier if the target is much weaker to crush (waterfiends), or if the slow speed is a bonus (tds with titan, Zilyana, soulsplittin Graar). The same is true for rapier vs. cls.

 

Simply looking at the max hit calc, the op hits around 488 damage max, with fury, bandos, d boots, berserker ring, whip, defender, no fire cape, piety, extreme strength, on task, 90 strength. With rapier this becomes 538, a 50 increase, or a little over 10%. Since the rapier is more accurate than the whip as well (especially on dragons) that means a dps increase of over 10%. To illustrate: the difference between supers and extremes is about half as big.

[MstrMonopoly]

If you're using it for Slayer, then obviously the rapier is the best choice. If you're using it for bossing, it gets a little more complicated. But the rapier is probably the most solid choice overall.

[Wisky_is_Goo]

The point of the thread wasnt another rapier vs cls flamewar but HOW to dung to get the 200k tokens.

[Obtaurian]

The point of the thread wasnt another rapier vs cls flamewar but HOW to dung to get the 200k tokens.

 

No one has argued CR vs CLS in this thread.

[Wisky_is_Goo]

The point of the thread wasnt another rapier vs cls flamewar but HOW to dung to get the 200k tokens.

 

No one has argued CR vs CLS in this thread.

 

CR vs Maul then whatever. Irrelevent. The topic was how to get a RAPIER. Which was clearly stated in the title.

So if you wouldn't like to offer any advice on gaining tokens as fast as possible, please dont waste time in my thread.

[MstrMonopoly]

The point of the thread wasnt another rapier vs cls flamewar but HOW to dung to get the 200k tokens.

 

No one has argued CR vs CLS in this thread.

 

CR vs Maul then whatever. Irrelevent. The topic was how to get a RAPIER. Which was clearly stated in the title.

So if you wouldn't like to offer any advice on gaining tokens as fast as possible, please dont waste time in my thread.

 

Alright then, it's worth it. Makes Slayer at least 10-20% faster, and you get way closer to frost dragons in the process. At any rate, you're going to want to do lamps/pengs/TOG for xp in dungeoneering as that gives you access to higher floors, etc. Once you get into the high 60's, see if you can get some teams in W117. These will be bad but you pretty much have to slog through them at your combat level. Once you get into the 70's, you can see if you can get on to some of the W148 teams.

[Emerson]

The point of the thread wasnt another rapier vs cls flamewar but HOW to dung to get the 200k tokens.

 

No one has argued CR vs CLS in this thread.

 

Actually I have, I'll admit to that #-o my bad. Title is a bit misleading saying "Should I get a chaotic rapier that is" though

 

As for a timetable... from 55 it really depends on how many dungeons you do a day so playtime/day is a huge number that could help an estimate.

 

I'd say do a solo small/med for everything on C3 except the top 10 floors you do each prestige run. Do those with the largest group you feel comfortable with on either med/large and C6. Hope that helps