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Among the over 400 bills being held up by the renegade Republicans in the Senate is a simple matter: the approval of a negotiated settlement of a class action lawsuit filed in 1996 by a group of American Indians charging that the Department of the Interior had, for over a hundred years, [bleep]ed over Indians for their share of leases to natural resource usage on Indian land. The Cobell v. Salazar settlement (named for the first plaintiff, Elouise Cobell, and the current Interior Secretary) is for $3.4 billion dollars, far, far less than what is actually owed, a bargain, really. The case was settled in December 2009. All that was needed was congressional approval by the original deadline of April 16.

 

Twice, it was possible for the matter to be taken care of. Twice it failed due to Republican obstructionist tactics. It passed the House in May after the deadline was extended. It passed again in July as part of another spending bill. The deadline for Congress now looms on October 15, this coming Friday, while it has floundered in our dysfunctional Senate.

 

Initially, Senator John Bareasshole...er, Barrasso of Wyoming had a problem with the lawyers' fees, which amounted to about 3% of the settlement for 13+ years of work. But that was settled, and, indeed, it seemed that Republicans were going to stop being [bleep]bags about it (and about another settlement in the matter of the government [bleep]ing over black farmers, which has been linked to the Cobell case because, see, one minority is the same as another). In late September, when Harry Reid was going to ask for unanimous consent on Cobell, Oklahoma's Tom Coburn said he would object, as he did in May. His reasons? "He wants the settlement costs to be offset so they don't add to the deficit and to ensure that the remedies go to the people who were wronged."

 

Think about that for a moment. He doesn't want to add to the deficit even though the money that is owed to the Indians was, in essence, stolen from them and already spent. As far as it going to the right individuals, well, that was all negotiated and litigated for the last, you know, 13 [bleep]ing years. By the way, of the 300,000 people who will get something from the Cobell settlement, 50,000 are in Oklahoma.

 

So, as stupid marches for a stupid man go on today, remember that in ways large and small, the ongoing degradation of indigenous peoples that the stupid man unleashed continues, with his stupid mantle being carried by others who wallow with pride in their own stupidity.

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It's Columbus Day and We're Still Screwing Over the Natives

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Among the over 400 bills being held up by the renegade Republicans in the Senate is a simple matter: the approval of a negotiated settlement of a class action lawsuit filed in 1996 by a group of American Indians charging that the Department of the Interior had, for over a hundred years, [bleep]ed over Indians for their share of leases to natural resource usage on Indian land. The Cobell v. Salazar settlement (named for the first plaintiff, Elouise Cobell, and the current Interior Secretary) is for $3.4 billion dollars, far, far less than what is actually owed, a bargain, really. The case was settled in December 2009. All that was needed was congressional approval by the original deadline of April 16.

 

Twice, it was possible for the matter to be taken care of. Twice it failed due to Republican obstructionist tactics. It passed the House in May after the deadline was extended. It passed again in July as part of another spending bill. The deadline for Congress now looms on October 15, this coming Friday, while it has floundered in our dysfunctional Senate.

 

Initially, Senator John Bareasshole...er, Barrasso of Wyoming had a problem with the lawyers' fees, which amounted to about 3% of the settlement for 13+ years of work. But that was settled, and, indeed, it seemed that Republicans were going to stop being [bleep]bags about it (and about another settlement in the matter of the government [bleep]ing over black farmers, which has been linked to the Cobell case because, see, one minority is the same as another). In late September, when Harry Reid was going to ask for unanimous consent on Cobell, Oklahoma's Tom Coburn said he would object, as he did in May. His reasons? "He wants the settlement costs to be offset so they don't add to the deficit and to ensure that the remedies go to the people who were wronged."

 

Think about that for a moment. He doesn't want to add to the deficit even though the money that is owed to the Indians was, in essence, stolen from them and already spent. As far as it going to the right individuals, well, that was all negotiated and litigated for the last, you know, 13 [bleep]ing years. By the way, of the 300,000 people who will get something from the Cobell settlement, 50,000 are in Oklahoma.

 

So, as stupid marches for a stupid man go on today, remember that in ways large and small, the ongoing degradation of indigenous peoples that the stupid man unleashed continues, with his stupid mantle being carried by others who wallow with pride in their own stupidity.

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It's Columbus Day and We're Still Screwing Over the Natives

 

 

What I took from that:

 

We're trillions of dollars in debt, and it's now that we decide to pay back the Native Americans. Let's wait until our country isn't in danger of drowning in bounced checks, okay?

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Among the over 400 bills being held up by the renegade Republicans in the Senate is a simple matter: the approval of a negotiated settlement of a class action lawsuit filed in 1996 by a group of American Indians charging that the Department of the Interior had, for over a hundred years, [bleep]ed over Indians for their share of leases to natural resource usage on Indian land. The Cobell v. Salazar settlement (named for the first plaintiff, Elouise Cobell, and the current Interior Secretary) is for $3.4 billion dollars, far, far less than what is actually owed, a bargain, really. The case was settled in December 2009. All that was needed was congressional approval by the original deadline of April 16.

 

Twice, it was possible for the matter to be taken care of. Twice it failed due to Republican obstructionist tactics. It passed the House in May after the deadline was extended. It passed again in July as part of another spending bill. The deadline for Congress now looms on October 15, this coming Friday, while it has floundered in our dysfunctional Senate.

 

Initially, Senator John Bareasshole...er, Barrasso of Wyoming had a problem with the lawyers' fees, which amounted to about 3% of the settlement for 13+ years of work. But that was settled, and, indeed, it seemed that Republicans were going to stop being [bleep]bags about it (and about another settlement in the matter of the government [bleep]ing over black farmers, which has been linked to the Cobell case because, see, one minority is the same as another). In late September, when Harry Reid was going to ask for unanimous consent on Cobell, Oklahoma's Tom Coburn said he would object, as he did in May. His reasons? "He wants the settlement costs to be offset so they don't add to the deficit and to ensure that the remedies go to the people who were wronged."

 

Think about that for a moment. He doesn't want to add to the deficit even though the money that is owed to the Indians was, in essence, stolen from them and already spent. As far as it going to the right individuals, well, that was all negotiated and litigated for the last, you know, 13 [bleep]ing years. By the way, of the 300,000 people who will get something from the Cobell settlement, 50,000 are in Oklahoma.

 

So, as stupid marches for a stupid man go on today, remember that in ways large and small, the ongoing degradation of indigenous peoples that the stupid man unleashed continues, with his stupid mantle being carried by others who wallow with pride in their own stupidity.

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It's Columbus Day and We're Still Screwing Over the Natives

 

 

What I took from that:

 

We're trillions of dollars in debt, and it's now that we decide to pay back the Native Americans. Let's wait until our country isn't in danger of drowning in bounced checks, okay?

How about not paying anything at all.

How about not paying anything at all.

 

Do you even have a reasonable argument for that?

How about not paying anything at all.

 

Do you even have a reasonable argument for that?

Yes.

 

You weren't killed or abused by colonists.

How about not paying anything at all.

 

Do you even have a reasonable argument for that?

Yes.

 

You weren't killed or abused by colonists.

 

So since I wasn't personally involved, the government doesn't owe us anything. Even though they tried exterminating our culture, so most of today's Native American's don't even know it.

How about not paying anything at all.

 

Do you even have a reasonable argument for that?

Yes.

 

You weren't killed or abused by colonists.

 

So since I wasn't personally involved, the government doesn't owe us anything. Even though they tried exterminating our culture, so most of today's Native American's don't even know it.

Culture is more of a family and personal thing, and I don't think we're thinking of the same definition of culture at this point.

Culture is more of a family and personal thing, and I don't think we're thinking of the same definition of culture at this point.

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand. Back in the day, the Native culture was of high importance. It still is in some Native communities. You can tell exactly what I'm talking about by using the context. The Europeans stole the Native children from their parents and sent them to boarding schools. That destroyed a lot of the culture. And to be honest, you're backing up Columbus. Why? Again, what did he do to deserve a day?

Christopher Columbus is dumb. Don't care about anything about him screwing over the natives or anything like that (which he definitely did). It's the fact that he was also sure as heck not the first European to go to America. Heck, he didn't even find America, he found the Bahamas. And then he thought he was in freaking India.

 

No, Lief Eriksson Day is the legitimate day that should be celebrated (the 8th is an official US holiday) and Columbus can go die in a hole. Vikings are cooler anyway. (tbh I know a guy who's related to Lief Ericsson. And who doesn't love a guy whose last name [and first] you can spell twelve different ways?)

 

I don't even get it off so I don't know why I care so much. Oh wait, it's because Columbus doesn't deserve a day at all.

 

Amerigo Vespucci is a good name to know if people randomly ask you why America is called America though.

Is it just me or does every American holiday seem to generate controvery on these forums? Usually something along the lines of Americans being critisized for what their ancestors did.

Christopher Columbus is dumb. Don't care about anything about him screwing over the natives or anything like that (which he definitely did). It's the fact that he was also sure as heck not the first European to go to America. Heck, he didn't even find America, he found the Bahamas. And then he thought he was in freaking India.

 

No, Lief Eriksson Day is the legitimate day that should be celebrated (the 8th is an official US holiday) and Columbus can go die in a hole. Vikings are cooler anyway. (tbh I know a guy who's related to Lief Ericsson. And who doesn't love a guy whose last name [and first] you can spell twelve different ways?)

 

I don't even get it off so I don't know why I care so much. Oh wait, it's because Columbus doesn't deserve a day at all.

 

Amerigo Vespucci is a good name to know if people randomly ask you why America is called America though.

Leif, not Lief.

Is it just me or does every American holiday seem to generate controvery on these forums? Usually something along the lines of Americans being critisized for what their ancestors did.

 

No, most of us aren't even mad about what happened anymore, we'd just like some gesture as of kindness. Here we have all these holidays that celebrate something, but nothing celebrating those who were here first, those who are still here, and those who suffered. Everyone's missing the point. What did Columbus do to deserve a holiday? Not a single person has answered that.

I tried to. Probably was missed in favor of other posts.

 

Columbus is essentially the one that brought Europeans over, and all atrocities aside, that's what established the country as it is today. Yes, people were here first, and he wasn't the first European to find it, but he's the one that made the biggest impact.

I wouldn't expect you to understand. Back in the day, the Native culture was of high importance. It still is in some Native communities. You can tell exactly what I'm talking about by using the context. The Europeans stole the Native children from their parents and sent them to boarding schools. That destroyed a lot of the culture. And to be honest, you're backing up Columbus. Why? Again, what did he do to deserve a day?

I really don't give a damn about Columbus Day being a day or not. I just don't want for the government go for some cheap pity spending by giving out free money to natives.

 

Christopher Columbus is dumb. Don't care about anything about him screwing over the natives or anything like that (which he definitely did). It's the fact that he was also sure as heck not the first European to go to America. Heck, he didn't even find America, he found the Bahamas. And then he thought he was in freaking India.

 

No, Lief Eriksson Day is the legitimate day that should be celebrated (the 8th is an official US holiday) and Columbus can go die in a hole. Vikings are cooler anyway. (tbh I know a guy who's related to Lief Ericsson. And who doesn't love a guy whose last name [and first] you can spell twelve different ways?)

 

I don't even get it off so I don't know why I care so much. Oh wait, it's because Columbus doesn't deserve a day at all.

 

Amerigo Vespucci is a good name to know if people randomly ask you why America is called America though.

Fine, you're right, but Columbus obtained the most use of discovering America for Europe. Vikings, used it for farmland and went away once it became too cold, maintained it to themselves, in the Chinese theory they couldn't even keep track of the discovery in their books, and is there anyone else?

 

BTW Columbus discovered Hispaniola (Haiti + Dominican Republic). Get your historical info right before meaningless ranting.

 

Is it just me or does every American holiday seem to generate controvery on these forums? Usually something along the lines of Americans being critisized for what their ancestors did.

Exactly; it's not my fault my POSSIBLE ancestors killed natives. Christ maybe they were native-sympathizers, or you know, not in the army.

How about not paying anything at all.

 

Do you even have a reasonable argument for that?

Now that I think about it, I don't really want to pay you for what my ancestors did to your ancestors. (Actually, not my ancestors, as my ancestors were wine vineyard owners from Yugoslavia, but hey.)

 

Should we start paying all African Americans since whites enslaved them a while ago?

 

Sure Native Americans got screwed back in the day. Just like every other minority, and basically everyone that wasn't a king or something like that.

Is it just me or does every American holiday seem to generate controvery on these forums? Usually something along the lines of Americans being critisized for what their ancestors did.

Exactly; it's not my fault my POSSIBLE ancestors killed natives. Christ maybe they were native-sympathizers, or you know, not in the army.

Or you know, halfway across the world. I assume that if the government is paying Native Americans, it's coming out taxpayers' pockets. Why should I (or my family) pay for the actions and suffering of people that our ancestors probably never even heard of?

And hell, where's my money for the bombing of Taipei in World War II? Basically, [cabbage] happens to every society. Most will never receive compensation. I mean, should present day Mongolia be paying all those countries for the actions of Genghis Khan?

(basically what TTanT said haha. And maybe this is just getting irrelevant since it doesn't really have to do with Columbus Day...)

The only reason anyone would really care about Columbus Day is if they got the day off of work/class. Other than that we forget it within a week.

And to those complaining of paying us for what you didn't do. You're not doing anything. This is a DAY. It doesn't come out of your pockets, it's out of respect, which a lot of you, apparently don't have.

Columbus Day is niets meer dan een rubberen stempel vakantie waarin de persoon wordt gevierd begaan afschuwelijke daden van genocide.

Columbus Day is niets meer dan een rubberen stempel vakantie waarin de persoon wordt gevierd begaan afschuwelijke daden van genocide.

 

English or don't post, please.

And to those complaining of paying us for what you didn't do. You're not doing anything. This is a DAY. It doesn't come out of your pockets, it's out of respect, which a lot of you, apparently don't have.

I was referring to the proposed bill to pay Natives Americans a few billion dollars as recompense, actually.

And to those complaining of paying us for what you didn't do. You're not doing anything. This is a DAY. It doesn't come out of your pockets, it's out of respect, which a lot of you, apparently don't have.

I was referring to the proposed bill to pay Natives Americans a few billion dollars as recompense, actually.

 

I didn't say I agreed with those, this whole thread was about Columbus Day and switching to a nationally recognized indigenous day. Those Native American bills are all about the greedy, and I could care less about those Natives. They care nothing about their culture and heritage, whatever they can do to make a lot of money is all that matters.

 

And to those complaining of paying us for what you didn't do. You're not doing anything. This is a DAY. It doesn't come out of your pockets, it's out of respect, which a lot of you, apparently don't have.

Removed quote ~ Jimmy_Jim

 

So now you're going racist? Yeah, that'll help the opposing side.

 

EDIT: Thanks for the merge, jim.

How about not paying anything at all.

 

Do you even have a reasonable argument for that?

Now that I think about it, I don't really want to pay you for what my ancestors did to your ancestors. (Actually, not my ancestors, as my ancestors were wine vineyard owners from Yugoslavia, but hey.)

 

Should we start paying all African Americans since whites enslaved them a while ago?

 

Sure Native Americans got screwed back in the day. Just like every other minority, and basically everyone that wasn't a king or something like that.

 

I don't think you get it. The same United States government that took the land away from native american's didn't like 3/4 of the contracts they signed in the first place, and now its probably impossible for the government to meet the terms of the contracts they had originally signed. Its not just making up for being giant douchbags, its that the United States told them they were going to pay them back and never honored them so they are trying to figure out some way to do it now.

 

Not sure why the same government that made the agreement shouldn't be responsible for its promises just because the people inside them change.

I see my post got deleted. No matter, the fact is not all natives are innocent as you say and not all colonists are guilty as you say.

I see my post got deleted. No matter, the fact is not natives are innocent as you say and not all colonists are guilty as you say.

 

I never said all Natives were innocent. I did say there were savage natives, however, those few tribes don't justify the slaughtering of the innocent. You have yet to answer the ACTUAL topic, even amongst your racist comment that was deleted.