US Drops to #49 in Life Expectancy

[Skeptical]

In Canada some cosmetic surgery is free: my brother has scar from a car accident, and he can have it removed at any point in the next 10 years.

 

Ambulance ride? Nothing.

Stitches? Nothing.

 

So guess what? Our van is wrecked, but in a few minutes, we're in an ambulance, and twenty minutes later my little bro is stitched up. Cost us $0.

[Saru Inc]

0$ up front, that is.

[Zierro]

Was this directed at him or me? :razz:

 

Though I fully agree with your latest post.

 

No, you understand how statistics work. That was mainly directed at Mage (with his tendencies to belittle conservatives at every opportunity), but it also applies to anyone who does that. The funniest thing is when you make a criticism about their inferences of the statistics and their reply is, "Oh, so now you're just ignoring the facts? There's no point in debating with you then."

 

Here's an example: "Billy goes to school on Monday with a red shirt. Nobody picks on him. Billy goes to school on Tuesday with a blue shirt. Somebody picks on him. This suggests that people are more likely to pick on people who wear blue shirts." No... the color of the shirt isn't the only variable to take into account. For all we know, it could be that people are meaner on Tuesdays, or one of the millions of other possibilities.

[sees_all1]

Here's an example: "Billy goes to school on Monday with a red shirt. Nobody picks on him. Billy goes to school on Tuesday with a blue shirt. Somebody picks on him. This suggests that people are more likely to pick on people who wear blue shirts." No... the color of the shirt isn't the only variable to take into account. For all we know, it could be that people are meaner on Tuesdays, or one of the millions of other possibilities.

 

I bet it was because he watched Al Gore's inconvenient truth Monday night, and started annoying everyone with it.

[TTanT]

Here's an example: "Billy goes to school on Monday with a red shirt. Nobody picks on him. Billy goes to school on Tuesday with a blue shirt. Somebody picks on him. This suggests that people are more likely to pick on people who wear blue shirts." No... the color of the shirt isn't the only variable to take into account. For all we know, it could be that people are meaner on Tuesdays, or one of the millions of other possibilities.

 

I bet it was because he watched Al Gore's inconvenient truth Monday night, and started annoying everyone with it.

Did you know that watching that is required in my school?

We watched in both Biology and Earth Science, which are both required courses. :thumbdown:

[Bloodstain]

0$ up front, that is.

 

I'd rather pay a little over my life time rather than get slammed with a huge bill. Plus, it helps the maximum amount of people while hurting the least amount. I can't think of many better things for my taxes to go to than helping someone get health care

[obfuscator]

0$ up front, that is.

 

I'd rather pay a little over my life time rather than get slammed with a huge bill. Plus, it helps the maximum amount of people while hurting the least amount. I can't think of many better things for my taxes to go to than helping someone get health care

Yeah, you pay over time rather than up front. It's really a personal preference as to WHEN you pay but one thing that's quite clear is that for most things, it's way cheaper over all with public healthcare.

[Alg]

Yeah, you pay over time rather than up front. It's really a personal preference as to WHEN you pay but one thing that's quite clear is that for most things, it's way cheaper over all with public healthcare.

This may be a good way to handle privatized healthcare too, though I'd be surprised if it isn't an option.

[obfuscator]

Yeah, you pay over time rather than up front. It's really a personal preference as to WHEN you pay but one thing that's quite clear is that for most things, it's way cheaper over all with public healthcare.

This may be a good way to handle privatized healthcare too, though I'd be surprised if it isn't an option.

Well with insurance you really are paying over time, just a lot more than you would in a public system.

[Bloodstain]

Yeah, you pay over time rather than up front. It's really a personal preference as to WHEN you pay but one thing that's quite clear is that for most things, it's way cheaper over all with public healthcare.

This may be a good way to handle privatized healthcare too, though I'd be surprised if it isn't an option.

Well with insurance you really are paying over time, just a lot more than you would in a public system.

 

Assuming your insurance doesn't deny your claim. Also, an idea would keep your privatized system for anyone who wants to pay extra for it, and make everything else universal. Have an option

[Alg]

Assuming your insurance doesn't deny your claim. Also, an idea would keep your privatized system for anyone who wants to pay extra for it, and make everything else universal. Have an option

I'd have been hoping for this but everyone in the States seems to think it's an either/or choice.

[obfuscator]

Problem then is that people who would usually prefer to go private will object to their taxes supporting the public option when they'll never use it.

[Bloodstain]

Problem then is that people who would usually prefer to go private will object to their taxes supporting the public option when they'll never use it.

 

Ah, good point. There's the catch. Also, I've heard the drug prices are ridiculously high in USA, anyone Americans feel like giving some input to that? I was looking at Paxil prices online a couple weeks ago on I think American sites. They had a month of generic brand Paxil at like $250+ a month, whereas at my Wal-Mart pharmacy I got a month supply for $40 with no insurance.

[Giordano]

I knew a lot of people, before Wal Mart and all these cheap pharmacies starting popping out, who went to Tijuana (Mexican city on the border) to buy pills, medicine, and cheap clothing.

 

Hell, some still do.

[Dupin]

Problem then is that people who would usually prefer to go private will object to their taxes supporting the public option when they'll never use it.

 

Ah, good point. There's the catch. Also, I've heard the drug prices are ridiculously high in USA, anyone Americans feel like giving some input to that? I was looking at Paxil prices online a couple weeks ago on I think American sites. They had a month of generic brand Paxil at like $250+ a month, whereas at my Wal-Mart pharmacy I got a month supply for $40 with no insurance.

If Mountains Beyond Mountains can be trusted, drug companies charge much more in the US of A because they know people can afford it. Basically, it's a scam.

[The Dark Lord]

As a Canadian it's nice knowing that any time I seriously injure myself, I don't need to worry about going bankrupt. And I'm proud to be taxed to keep our system running, it ain't perfect but it's better than the alternative. I hope one day you Americans can get it too, I've heard such terrible stories about medical care there.

 

Here's a site that has anecdotal stories from universal vs USA system, submitted by SA users

http://www.pluralofanecdote.com/#

 

 

SA? Something Awful? Because when I think factually correct, I think Something Awful.

 

Really? Strange. I personally use Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan.

 

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Okay. Back on topic. I really don't see how the United States isn't #1...

 

Anyway, I got to go. I'm about to eat dinner. Guess what I'm having.

 

[Lenticular_J]

I knew a lot of people, before Wal Mart and all these cheap pharmacies starting popping out, who went to Tijuana (Mexican city on the border) to buy pills, medicine, and cheap clothing.

 

Hell, some still do.

My brother had his teeth fixed (they were badly messed up, major surgery) in Juarez.

[Bloodstain]

I knew a lot of people, before Wal Mart and all these cheap pharmacies starting popping out, who went to Tijuana (Mexican city on the border) to buy pills, medicine, and cheap clothing.

 

Hell, some still do.

My brother had his teeth fixed (they were badly messed up, major surgery) in Juarez.

 

Yeah, there's something called medical tourism, where people go to other countries to pay less for major surgeries.

[Saru Inc]

As a Canadian it's nice knowing that any time I seriously injure myself, I don't need to worry about going bankrupt. And I'm proud to be taxed to keep our system running, it ain't perfect but it's better than the alternative. I hope one day you Americans can get it too, I've heard such terrible stories about medical care there.

 

Here's a site that has anecdotal stories from universal vs USA system, submitted by SA users

http://www.pluralofanecdote.com/#

 

 

SA? Something Awful? Because when I think factually correct, I think Something Awful.

 

Really? Strange. I personally use Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan.

 

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Okay. Back on topic. I really don't see how the United States isn't #1...

 

Anyway, I got to go. I'm about to eat dinner. Guess what I'm having.

 

 

 

lolbrainwashed.

 

Still though, RXs are very expensive, I get quite a bit of calls "MY HMO DOESNT COVER THIS GET THAT CRAP DOCTOR ON THE PHONE IM NOT PAYING 150$ JUST TO GET M ASTHMA MEDICINE! WHEN THE [bleep] IS THIS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COMING THROUGH"

 

 

That's right, because when it's universal, you won't pay... right?

 

 

People think Universal Health care is [bleep]ing free. I'm not paying for Suzie pigfeet because she can't say no to the twinkies on aisle 5. And I have had people call this lapband company and they admitted it's just easier to get the surgery. Ok, once you get the surgery your body is messed up til it turns to dust.

 

Ugh.

 

 

edit: @ Lent, you don't want to do that. Trust me....

 

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A woman once called after getting a boob job in Asia. Guess what? 3 months later.. HER BREAST EXPLODED WITH MAGGOTS. I freaking kid you not. Dear god, that call literally gave me a nightmare just imagining it. I googled it, and yea, it's actually happened before. Another one, who went to... SHURPRISE. Canadia. Her breast deflated. 3 times in a row, each time she went back to Canadia Land. One time at America and her breasts are nice and bouncy now. Gross...

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[sees_all1]

Where'd magekillr go....

[Dexek]

As a Canadian it's nice knowing that any time I seriously injure myself, I don't need to worry about going bankrupt. And I'm proud to be taxed to keep our system running, it ain't perfect but it's better than the alternative. I hope one day you Americans can get it too, I've heard such terrible stories about medical care there.

 

Here's a site that has anecdotal stories from universal vs USA system, submitted by SA users

http://www.pluralofanecdote.com/#

 

 

SA? Something Awful? Because when I think factually correct, I think Something Awful.

 

Really? Strange. I personally use Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan.

 

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Okay. Back on topic. I really don't see how the United States isn't #1...

 

Anyway, I got to go. I'm about to eat dinner. Guess what I'm having.

 

 

 

lolbrainwashed.

 

Still though, RXs are very expensive, I get quite a bit of calls "MY HMO DOESNT COVER THIS GET THAT CRAP DOCTOR ON THE PHONE IM NOT PAYING 150$ JUST TO GET M ASTHMA MEDICINE! WHEN THE [bleep] IS THIS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COMING THROUGH"

 

 

That's right, because when it's universal, you won't care... right?

 

 

People think Universal Health care is [bleep]ing free. I'm not paying for Suzie pigfeet because she can't say no to the twinkies on aisle 5. And I have had people call this lapband company and they admitted it's just easier to get the surgery. Ok, once you get the surgery your body is messed up til it turns to dust.

 

Ugh.

 

 

edit: @ Lent, you don't want to do that. Trust me....

 

[hide=potentially explicit story, nsfw..?]

A woman once called after getting a boob job in Asia. Guess what? 3 months later.. HER BREAST EXPLODED WITH MAGGOTS. I freaking kid you not. Dear god, that call literally gave me a nightmare just imagining it. I googled it, and yea, it's actually happened before. Another one, who went to... SHURPRISE. Canadia. Her breast deflated. 3 times in a row, each time she went back to Canadia Land. One time at America and her breasts are nice and bouncy now. Gross...

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Moral of the story: Fake breasts suck.

[sees_all1]

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/644294.html

 

"Many patients with incurable cancer are still being screened for common cancers, although these tests are unlikely to provide any benefit, researchers from Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City have found."

 

6 months to live from your brain cancer, and we're going to make sure you don't have prostate or breast cancer. Lots of waste in the system, but I expected nothing less from Uncle Sam.

[KittyKat]

Healthcare is business.

People eat horribly and don't exercise enough.

[All_Is_Great]

I don't know if this has been brought up, but I think the loose law on guns in the States might have something to do with this. I don't know the numbers, but doesn't America have like one the the highest gun crime rates in the world?

[Orpheus]

I don't know if this has been brought up, but I think the loose law on guns in the States might have something to do with this. I don't know the numbers, but doesn't America have like one the the highest gun crime rates in the world?

Even then, to be fair, there are a LOT of people in the USA compared to most other countries. And still, I don't think gun crimes are factored into life expectancy in this case. Let's uh, not push the topic in that direction. And that's not the only reason for a lower life expectancy. I could start involving entrophy, but then I'd be getting too complex.