Not a safespot, you can still be attacked by dragons on the other side. I commend you for making a fool of yourself once again, yet still not feeling embarrassed.

 

Proof that Golvellius knows more than me

 

LOL...

Whats the dps of cannon genius? (hint if your not in combat then the cannon goes multi and will lay up to 6 strikes per rotation on a single dragon thats moving overtop the thing)

Best way to kill frost dragons and actually get 200 kills an hour not just fiction from XpXtroll is let the cannon do the work.

Hide behind the rocks in the sw and let the cannon roll.

Only come out when there is only one dragon left, or a dragon goes around the rocks from the south and attacks, or the cannon runs out of ammo.

Doesn't matter if you have rapier, spear, or cls.

Your dps sucks compared to the cannon when its working in multi mode (aka your not in combat or it really is a multiway zone).

Learn to compliment the cannon, not the cannon compliments you.

 

 

But it doesn't work. There are no safespots at frost dragons.

 

 

Was talking about that. You seem to think I am talking about something else. You are wrong. End of story.

 

Self-contradiction win. It's like saying you can't get hit, until you get attacked (probably a crap analogy, but it's 2am)

that.

also the original point of bringing that up was to show that you DO support emergent gameplay. Now your just digging yourself a deeper grave.

Ah, so your safespot works until you're attacked (because it's not a real safespot), at which point your cannon goes into single-combat mode for a significant amount of time. Yeah, you're pro! :rolleyes:

 

Why don't you go back to arguing semantics on the word emergent?

You don't have a leg to stand on here.

There is a big picture in front of your face in but your too blind to see it.

Like the old saying goes, you can always lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Point being?

 

I believe this picture is of relevance to this post;

 

 

On Topic; My interpretation of 'Emergent gameplay' is 'thinking outside the box'. I think it really shouldn't be promoted this way, because it's almost encouraging players to step on the grey areas of breaking the rules. Hmm.

Ah, so your safespot works until you're attacked (because it's not a real safespot), at which point your cannon goes into single-combat mode for a significant amount of time. Yeah, you're pro! :rolleyes:

 

Why don't you go back to arguing semantics on the word emergent?

You don't have a leg to stand on here.

There is a big picture in front of your face in but your too blind to see it.

Like the old saying goes, you can always lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

 

Oh god, just admit you're wrong and make up.

Ah, so your safespot works until you're attacked (because it's not a real safespot), at which point your cannon goes into single-combat mode for a significant amount of time. Yeah, you're pro! :rolleyes:

 

Why don't you go back to arguing semantics on the word emergent?

You don't have a leg to stand on here.

There is a big picture in front of your face in but your too blind to see it.

Like the old saying goes, you can always lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

 

Oh god, just admit you're wrong and make up.

He never has, or will. ITS NOT A SAFESPOT. You can still be attacked. You are safe until that one dragon loses agro, and another attacks you.

Oh god, just admit you're wrong and make up.

God knows I am right and so would you if you tried it. :wink:

But, don't try it, instead argue with me about something you know little of.

Everybody else is. :thumbup:

Oh god, just admit you're wrong and make up.

God knows I am right and so would you if you tried it. :wink:

But, don't try it, instead argue with me about something you know little of.

Everybody else is. :thumbup:

stop being such an efficiency troll, let them do it their own way. it's a game, not everything has to be about getting 9001 gigabils an hour.

 

o shi-

Wait Gov, so you are saying it is IMPOSSIBLE to be attacked in that spot? That is the definition of safespot ya'know.

 

Didn't put words in your mouth, I asked you a question, to clarify if you are a little confuses, or a lot. Cuz if you thought that were a REAL safespot, you'd be really wrong.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

Actually having read through the first post, are they saying that they are designing bits that are supposedly used to promote "Emergent gameplay"? Because if so, that's not emergent.

Wait Gov, I am going to put words in your mouth and pretend like I see don't that picture you posted or pretend that I didn't read that quote that you posted 50,000 times.

You don't say?

Fun fact: As best as I can tell, Not Trolling appears (to me) to be the only person on this page not trolling.... EDIT: meant page 4 >.>

 

I think I should create a giant oil/gas trap type thing, label it What is Emergent Gameplay and wait for the first flamer....

 

*FOOSH*

 

Slightly more ontopic....

 

so you can use an argument but I cannot? My point is that we cannot know for certain whether or not any content was introduced with what has become emergent in mind, so saying gnomeball is not emergent due to that is illogical and cannot be argued past that point. I used the example to show how it can be reversed.

you made two arguments

1) we should not judge what is an emergent form of gameplay or not unless we know for 100% certainty.

My response is that such an argument would not be valid in a scientific community.

"PROVE ME WRONG" is essentially your argument. That's really something I'd expect from golvellius, not a forum mod.

The fact of the matter is I cannot prove you wrong. That's not going to stop me from thinking that you're wrong though.

 

The point is you've set up an argument that I do not see meaningful resolution to, hence I will not continue in this discussion.

I am allowed to ignore arguments that I see to be pointless am I not?

 

2) the article is moreso about community management.

I agreed with this argument. There is nothing more to say here.

 

It should not be offensive though. It reminds me of the Johnathon Ross fiasco here in Britain where A radio show received a handful of complaints, but once the media spread word of the show, it received thousands of complaints from people who did not even listen and had never listened to the broadcast. This Blog was not meant for those who are getting offended. It would have been pointless and illogical for Jagex to include non-community emergent gameplay in an article about community emergent gameplay. It's not that they don't care, it's that they were not aiming for these people. It's the same as somebody taking offence at a website naming the 10 greatest single player games of all time and leaving Runescape out of it. The list would not be aimed at runescape so would be illogical to put it in.

 

If somebody takes offence at the blog, it is their own fault and not Jagex's.

It's ultimately a stupid business decision is what I'm arguing.

Most non-community emergent gamers read dev blogs.

Because dev blogs (such as the damage control dev blog, or the jad vs chicken dev blog) provide insight into the game, and a useful resource that helps these players with their non-community emergent gameplay.

 

A missionary can post a christian billboard anywhere they want. And sure they could be targeting someone else than me.

But if I'm not christian and I never want to be christian, posting it in my back yard is simply a bad decision.

 

Jagex posted their community emergent gameplay thread in an area that non-community emergent gamers have a strong reason to frequent.

Hence their decision was poorly made.

 

That'd be like posting anti-abortion posters in mecca. It's silly.

 

They didn't post it in your backyard. Unless Jagex sent you an email or message about this, it wasn't personally towards you. Speaking metaphorically, it's more like a freaking billboard. And another thing - of COURSE they advertise it to people who don't do... whatever was listed in the blog. What'd be the point of that?

 

Unless you seem to think that only non-community emergent gamers frequent there? Even then, it's THEIR space, if they want to advertise on it, why not?

Fun fact: As best as I can tell, Not Trolling appears (to me) to be the only person on this page not trolling....

Just go back one page and it will fix that misconception.

 

Speaking metaphorically, it's more like a freaking billboard. And another thing - of COURSE they advertise it to people who don't do... whatever was listed in the blog. What'd be the point of that?

Sounds like this is part of their new corporate strategy to combat grinding that they alluded to awhile ago.

Get people involved in their community events plus those that emerged from players over the years.

Doesn't appeal so much to me, but I'm glad its there because it makes the game a nicer place.

Fun fact: As best as I can tell, Not Trolling appears (to me) to be the only person on this page not trolling....

Just go back one page and it will fix that misconception.

 

Speaking metaphorically, it's more like a freaking billboard. And another thing - of COURSE they advertise it to people who don't do... whatever was listed in the blog. What'd be the point of that?

Sounds like this is part of their new corporate strategy to combat grinding that they alluded to awhile ago.

Get people involved in their community events plus those that emerged from players over the years.

Doesn't appeal so much to me, but I'm glad its there because it makes the game a nicer place.

 

Er, actually, I DID mean the previous page, i.e. page 4 o.O

 

And thank you for not actively hating them for the blog, despite your lack of interest in it or that it doesn't meat your definition of emergent gameplay which seems, for some people, to go hand-in-hand with more efficient ways to do things that Jagex didn't realize.

This seems to have gone off topic from the original point that this article is incorrectly labeled.

 

I wouldn't have a single problem with it if it were called "community events" or even "community-centered emergent gameplay." The problem is that it's called "emergent gameplay," and then goes on to talk about a lot of things that are either only vaguely emergent gameplay or straight up NOT emergent gameplay, while ignoring the real meat of the concept that comprises the typical definition of the term, which is using game mechanics in ways not foreseen by developers to gain an advantage. Anyone who argues that this is not what emergent gameplay typically refers to has never heard the term used outside of this discussion, period. It's an old term that's always referred to gaming the system to accomplish things that developers didn't intend.

 

That Jagex seems to not know what emergent gameplay means is my only beef with this dev blog. If they wanted to talk about community events and roleplaying they should have titled the blog correctly.

Another example of emergent gameplay: Two people follow each other to engage in "dancing". So it dosen't necessarily need to give you an advantage in the world of skilling, moneymaking, or pvp. But notice how it's still exploiting a feature to do something it was obviously not designed to do. It was designed so that one player could follow another, not to "dance".

 

However playing an entire ballgame with a gnomeball is not emergent. The ball was designed to be thrown. Ballgames involve throwing balls. So a ballgame is just a more complex version of the more common 2 person interaction.

They didn't post it in your backyard. Unless Jagex sent you an email or message about this, it wasn't personally towards you. Speaking metaphorically, it's more like a freaking billboard. And another thing - of COURSE they advertise it to people who don't do... whatever was listed in the blog. What'd be the point of that?

 

Unless you seem to think that only non-community emergent gamers frequent there? Even then, it's THEIR space, if they want to advertise on it, why not?

Yes, so it's a space that's used by more than one group of person, and my metaphor might have been a bit far, but consider that I was speaking to other people at the time, and I personally judged the exaggeration to get the point across to the people I was speaking to.

As I was not speaking to you directly.

 

Secondly, I do not think that only non-community emergent gamers frequent there. But I claimed that enough do, such that it aggravated a small mistake like writing a misleading title.

 

Anyways my assertion was that Jagex made a bad business decision to post the thread there, and name it emergent gaming.

Because I believe there to be many gamers who are upset at Jagex' seeming disregard of their form of emergent gaming.

And had Jagex simply renamed the thread "community activities and role playing" a lot of pent up unhappiness on behalf of non-community emergent gamers would not have been released.

This topic has turned into a massive argue fest. and its awesome.

 

OT: Well tbh im not really sure what is on-topic in this thread anymore.

 

To unspam: im betting that we'll be seeing another dev blog fairly soon about this

Things this dev blog could have used that would have been so much better than talking about gnomeball/role playing (MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAMES)

 

-Prayer Flashing

-76king

-Dancing

-Any type of clan activity

-1 iteming

-Boss Crashing

-House Option overloading

-Every glitch that was ever fixed

-Discontinued items

-Dungeon Rushing

-Power leveling

-That whole massive argument about cannoning

-Nature running

-Tie Minigaming

-Anything anyone can think of to improve efficiency

-Anything anyone can think of to add a bit of lol to their day

-Any form of slang used in the game including abbreviations and 1337speak

-3rd party programs, ranging from ventrillo/team speak to bots.

 

Did I miss anything? Anyways, my point is this whole game is pretty much emergent gameplay. Instead of us arguing and wondering about which came first, the chicken or the egg, can't we just enjoy the game for once? Jagex has made many mistakes in the past and now but honestly those of us that are still playing obviously still enjoy the game in some way shape or form. It might not be the same for all of us but we don't have to rip each other's eyes out about it.

because they have always seen such activity as either against the rules or against "the spirit of the game."

 

So true.

 

The amount of times jagex has used that term, my god...

Emergent gameplay is when players find out interesting stuff about the game and use it for purposes not obviously intended by the developer. Such as 50/50ing in ANY minigame, playing SC skiller-only games for more tools per hour, using a cannon in non-multi via safespotting... The list goes on. But what Jagex has listed here is NOT emergent gameplay; it's just roleplay. I mean, what's so special about wrestling matches in a POH? Besides the added lols to your day, they include nothing that wasn't obviously intended by the developer. Playing a game of catch with a gnomeball? Well, that's just what it was intended for. Perhaps Jagex thinks of emergent gameplay is using stuff the developers intentionally put in for more amusement. Essentially, a definition that could be metaphorically aligned with "That's what SHE said" jokes.

 

 

TL;DR: Jagex needs to learn what emergent gameplay actually means. Then they can write an article on it. Until then, it seems to be the same old Derpgex.

 

 

Again, as it seems too many are doing here, Emergent doesn't have to be something that makes the goal of the game come faster (levels, money etc) which is all you listed. the way you are interoperating what has been said is that a gnomeball is just thrown between two people, cannot be emergent as it was developed like that. But that is NOT what people do and what Jagex is talking about in the article. A group of peoplg actually making a ball game with the gnomeball IS emergent gameplay. You are using no imagination and dumbing down everything to its most basic form when emergent gameplay won't happen. I can do exactly the same thing with what you say, you are just using a cannon, you are just playing the mini-games. Jagex implemented them, therefore they are not emergent.

 

 

I'd also like to say that many people don't seem to even be reading the article. They just seem to rage at anything Jagex assuming they say one thing, when they are saying another. This article is basically a report about what Jmods have seen PLAYERS do. These PLAYERS have then come to events and told Jagex about them. It isn't Jagex inventing things for you to do. A majority of these things are community driven, such as the wrestling tournaments.

Emergent gameplay is essentially taking the mechanics of the game, figuring out their nuances, and using them to your advantage for more profit/lols than the developers originally intended. For example, people have taken advantage of the fact that the game clocks everything in "ticks" instead of taking every bit of data exactly when it comes, and have thus managed to create long streams of people doing the same skillcape emote at the exact same time. That's emergent gameplay. People have found out how to use a cannon and get it to hit a frost dragon 3+ times in a row. That's emergent gameplay. Throwing around a gnomeball with bunch of buddies and saying you're playing a game of football/frisbee/whathaveyou isn't emergent; it's roleplaying.

 

Can some types of amusing emergent gameplay be driven by the community? Sure, look at the bit regarding the skillcapes. Could emergent gameplay spread farther and wider? Sure! Look at the Faruq's Game tools; they are ripe for emergent gameplay in many fashions. Is what Jagex has described here emergent gameplay? LOLNO.

 

Also, I read the article, and it annoyed me that a seemingly good half of it was just a plug for the less-visited sections of the RSOF. I mean, I could fill half an article with shameless links to games in the Falador Tavern (there's your example, by the way), but would that really matter if the article I was writing was on, say.... making your own games?

 

TL;DR If Jagex wants this article to be met with more support, they should've named it Roleplaying - NOT emergent gameplay, and should've thrown in fewer plugs for the RSOF.

Things this dev blog could have used that would have been so much better than talking about gnomeball/role playing (MMORPG stands for Massively Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING GAMES)

 

-Prayer Flashing

-76king

-Dancing

-Any type of clan activity

-1 iteming

-Boss Crashing

-House Option overloading

-Every glitch that was ever fixed

-Discontinued items

-Dungeon Rushing

-Power leveling

-That whole massive argument about cannoning

-Nature running

-Tie Minigaming

-Anything anyone can think of to improve efficiency

-Anything anyone can think of to add a bit of lol to their day

-Any form of slang used in the game including abbreviations and 1337speak

-3rd party programs, ranging from ventrillo/team speak to bots.

 

Did I miss anything? Anyways, my point is this whole game is pretty much emergent gameplay. Instead of us arguing and wondering about which came first, the chicken or the egg, can't we just enjoy the game for once? Jagex has made many mistakes in the past and now but honestly those of us that are still playing obviously still enjoy the game in some way shape or form. It might not be the same for all of us but we don't have to rip each other's eyes out about it.

 

So emergent gameplay is all about efficiency then. Either that or it's not in the spirit of the game, example: tie minigaming, 76king, 1 iteming, etc.

So emergent gameplay is all about efficiency then. Either that or it's not in the spirit of the game, example: tie minigaming, 76king, 1 iteming, etc.

 

No. Stop.

 

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I think I read somewhere that this blog was going to cover one form for emergent gameplay, not all forms. What I understand emergent gameplay as is using content in a way it wasn't meant to be used. Wouldn't roleplaying (poh hotel, etc..) be a form for emergent gameplay?

 

That being said, I do think the blog should have been labeled differently.

 

It would be nice if they touched on the other forms of emergent gameplay instead of the vanilla they posted up.

 

Thats why I said I thought it should have been labeled differently. :P

I honestly don't care either way. Its just a title.

So emergent gameplay is all about efficiency then.

 

Seeing as its natural for players to want to reduce grind (its the reason bots are so popular :thumbsup:), its unsuprising that a significant proportion of emergent gameplay is based around minimising this grind.

 

Either that or it's not in the spirit of the game, example: tie minigaming, 76king, 1 iteming, etc.

 

Pfft "not in spirit of the game" is so dam subjective.

 

If were doing anything outside jagex prescribed rules its suddenly "against the spirit of the game".

 

You make an account to use in PVP worlds? "Not in the spirit of the game bro"

Emergent gameplay is basically anything you do in the game that is done differently than how it was designed.

 

In the case of people running hotels in their house or whatever, that totally would be emergent gameplay. Emergent narrative is a type of emergent gameplay where the players are making some type of story for their characters. Any type of in game role playing adventure would be emergent narrative. Sure, they designed a "role playing game" but they do not give us any type of tools or mechanics that support "playing pretend". I mean I guess the closest thing to that would be the fact that they made a "role playing" world...but again I dont think anything has been programmed to advocate roleplaying. If they put a cash register, buffet line, etc inside the POH, then running a restaurant business in your house would not be emergent. But, this is not the case. There are no house features that were specifically designed to accomodate the concept of owning a business, and it is therefore emergent.

 

Google "emergent narrative" and read anything that pops up.

From what i understand the article talks about roleplaying..

 

Summary:

Boring, boring and boring.