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[Zilla]

From what I see, there isn't much flaming/raging for High level content. It is generally just the vocal few of both sides. Lower levels complaining about higher level content, with higher levels complaining about lower level content. Like somebody said very early in the thread when it sinks in, everyone is fine and they move on. I don't mind high level content far above my ability to use, and I don't mind low level content which doesn't give rewards. It gives me something to stride for; and something simple and stupid, and fun.

[Youmu]

As a side note, I really don't see why high-levels rage over low/mid content...

 

You have the requirements. You are high-level, therefore giving you MORE of a benefit to that content. Really I see no reason high-levels shouldn't do the low/mid quests and stuff.

 

I understand it's because of a lack of appeal to high-level though. But not doing the content just cuz it's not high-level? Sad...

[SirIzenhime]

I understand it's because of a lack of appeal to high-level though. But not doing the content just cuz it's not high-level? Sad...

 

Why should I do a quest that gives me a reward which is worse then something I already have? Why is that sad? :unsure:

[Kimberly]

I understand it's because of a lack of appeal to high-level though. But not doing the content just cuz it's not high-level? Sad...

 

Why should I do a quest that gives me a reward which is worse then something I already have? Why is that sad? :unsure:

 

It depends on how you value content versus experience. That's a bit more relevant with quests and such, not so much with skills, but same concept.

 

Just shows that they're not going to please everyone, which is why they've been focusing on this for so long now.

[Youmu]

Why should I do a quest that gives me a reward which is worse then something I already have? Why is that sad? :unsure:

It's likely to be very easy, so it shouldn't take long to complete. Plus the fact you need to do those quests for questcape anyways.

[Obtaurian]

Why should I do a quest that gives me a reward which is worse then something I already have? Why is that sad? :unsure:

It's likely to be very easy, so it shouldn't take long to complete. Plus the fact you need to do those quests for questcape anyways.

 

But why? A quest being easy makes me want to do it even less.

[Youmu]

But why? A quest being easy makes me want to do it even less.

Look at it this way.

 

You get free quest points.

You get free xp.

You get free rewards (useless, but meh).

You get various stuff unlocked.

You get songs unlocked.

 

And the good thing is it's likely to be short so you get the reward real fast!

 

Might be just me and the satisfaction you get for completing stuff. But 100%'ing stuff is ftw :thumbup:

[Kimberly]

Might be just me and the satisfaction you get for completing stuff. But 100%'ing stuff is ftw :thumbup:

 

Yup it's just you. Enjoyment is subjective.

[green9090]

But why? A quest being easy makes me want to do it even less.

Look at it this way.

 

You get free quest points.

You get free xp.

You get free rewards (useless, but meh).

You get various stuff unlocked.

You get songs unlocked.

 

And the good thing is it's likely to be short so you get the reward real fast!

 

Might be just me and the satisfaction you get for completing stuff. But 100%'ing stuff is ftw :thumbup:

I'm like you in that I complete everything as it comes out because of this little OCD voice in my head that says I have to (the same one that's pushing me to 99 in all skills), but I can certainly sympathize with people who don't do low level quests as they're released. They're usually not worth the time, exp/hour wise, and they're also almost always stupid and boring too. It sometimes feels like Jagex just decides "okay, time to make a trash update just so it looks like we're doing something," (this is somewhat less true recently, but it was REALLY bad in the past. I'm glad to see the trend moving away from this) which is extremely frustrating because that development time could have gotten us 1/10 of the way to something epic rather than being blown on content that is ultimately meaningless. However, Jagex feels this need to update constantly even if they've got nothing, which feels unhealthy for the game. Particularly, most low level quests come from this period of frantic updating, and I don't even remember 30% of them, and neither do most other players. It's dead content that serves primarily as an obstacle to 100% completion, providing no lasting reward or content.

[xpx]

But why? A quest being easy makes me want to do it even less.

Look at it this way.

 

You get free quest points.

You get free xp.

You get free rewards (useless, but meh).

You get various stuff unlocked.

You get songs unlocked.

 

And the good thing is it's likely to be short so you get the reward real fast!

 

Might be just me and the satisfaction you get for completing stuff. But 100%'ing stuff is ftw :thumbup:

That is, assuming that you care about any of those things. I don't like quests, particularly the ones that are just there to be annoying(read: most of them). Quest points don't help me in doing the things i like, neither does ''free'' xp(read: very costly xp), rewards(that aren't rewarding), ''stuff'' or even songs(i've never even played runescape with sound).

 

The major point is, by releasing a load of these mid-low level updates as they have they are actually being very counter-productive- on the one hand, they release similar content for people that haven't taken the time to explore most of the game anyway, mostly going for small fixes. However, at the same time, they aren't really thinking about the future. Don't get me wrong, a ''right-now'' plan is, in theory, a very good plan to build a fanbase of emotional teenagers, but don't expect it to keep the mature, experienced gamers satisfied. Right now, there seems to be an assumption that because there is a game update, everyone should be allowed to enjoy it, however, thinking about the future, it will just drive off alot of the long time faithfuls.

[Quyneax]

I wonder if there is actually a list of people who have quit due to lack of content and a list of those who stayed. Can you even prove that a significant part of the p2p community would quit given no very high level content?

[Sir_Squab]

I personally doubt they would, I'd think by the time they get far enough in the game they'd be attached enough to the game or something, to keep playing for things like chaotics, spirit shields, rares, or just staying because they've been playing it for umpteen years....eh...

 

But as you said, I have absolutely no way of knowing if I hit the nail on the head or if that's just complete BS.

[stonewall337]

Now that we have switched from why some people dislike high level content, to what is, and to what extent we need high level content, I have several more points to make.

 

1.) Numerous people, including myself don't train certain skills for the simple reason that there is no real REASON to, as in no future content we want access too. I don't actively train RC since there is nothing down the line I want access too. Sure, double nats would be nice I s'pose. But its not worth TRYING to get. Now, if 90+ RCing helped me even a quarter to a half as much as 96 herb does, I'd have some motivation to train it. TL;DR High level content increases playing of certain skills, such as the increased number of people who got 95+ herb/prayer after those updates.

 

2.) Exclusive content rewards people for training a skill before there was a reason. If people know high level content will EVENTUALLY come out, they will train a skill before the update.

 

Dave, I have all that stuff, san rares. I play for goals. Meeting a setting goals is what I find fun. But I need some reason to set a goal. Arbitrary levels (87 rc for example) Isn't my idea of a fun goal.

[SirIzenhime]

It's likely to be very easy, so it shouldn't take long to complete. Plus the fact you need to do those quests for questcape anyways.

 

Look at it this way.

 

You get free quest points.

You get free xp.

You get free rewards (useless, but meh).

You get various stuff unlocked.

You get songs unlocked.

 

And the good thing is it's likely to be short so you get the reward real fast!

 

Might be just me and the satisfaction you get for completing stuff. But 100%'ing stuff is ftw :thumbup:

 

Except I don't care about any of that. In the time it took me to do a crappy quest, I could be making money or getting more xp then the quest would give me. I'm also not interested in a quest cape. You still haven't told me why it's sad though that I don't partake in low level updates.

[All_Is_Great]

I don't care about high level content, but I care about making dangerous PvP a better system, maybe like the OLD pre-dec 07 system. But hey, Jagex doesn't care. Truth is, Jagex doesn't care about you, you're not the majority.

[brunokiller]

It's likely to be very easy, so it shouldn't take long to complete. Plus the fact you need to do those quests for questcape anyways.

 

Look at it this way.

 

You get free quest points.

You get free xp.

You get free rewards (useless, but meh).

You get various stuff unlocked.

You get songs unlocked.

 

And the good thing is it's likely to be short so you get the reward real fast!

 

Might be just me and the satisfaction you get for completing stuff. But 100%'ing stuff is ftw :thumbup:

 

Except I don't care about any of that. In the time it took me to do a crappy quest, I could be making money or getting more xp then the quest would give me. I'm also not interested in a quest cape. You still haven't told me why it's sad though that I don't partake in low level updates.

 

Thing is that is IS content you haven't done. Why does it need to be catered to high levels only to be useful for high levels? For example, the warriors guild is a low level update, yet every high level uses a rune defender.

[stonewall337]

Bruno, doesn't mean we shouldn't have something BETTER for those who are high level though, it just means that that is currently the best.

[Sir_Kurity]

High levels have epic stats, thats pretty dam "better" in my book.

[SirIzenhime]

 

Thing is that is IS content you haven't done. Why does it need to be catered to high levels only to be useful for high levels? For example, the warriors guild is a low level update, yet every high level uses a rune defender.

 

When did I say updates had to be catered towards me? All I said is that if it's a low level update that doesn't benefit me, I'm not going to use it. Sonik said it's sad that high levels don't use low level updates, and I want to know why that's sad when I already have better options.

[Sir_Kurity]

Cause its there endgame skill and quite frankly they want to finish releasing it?

 

I mean, when any skill came out no one could do the level 60+ stuff, that doesn't mean every skill released has to be incomplete and only come with levels 1-60.

new skills can have high level requirements, but old skills cannot? :-k

Every skill has high level stuff, i don't know what your talking about.

[SirIzenhime]

Cause its there endgame skill and quite frankly they want to finish releasing it?

 

I mean, when any skill came out no one could do the level 60+ stuff, that doesn't mean every skill released has to be incomplete and only come with levels 1-60.

new skills can have high level requirements, but old skills cannot? :-k

Every skill has high level stuff, i don't know what your talking about.

 

Yea, like firemaking!!!....wait....

[Sir_Kurity]

Alright, most skills.

 

Firemaking still helps with handcannon though, one of the best ranged weapons in the game. As well as having Adze, which is a great way to train both firemaking and WC at the same time if your one of those EXP freaks.

[stonewall337]

Except it doesn't work on ivy...

[Sir_Kurity]

I think teaks are better XP than IVY anyway.

[stonewall337]

Only slightly. And require far more attention.