It's called innovation. May I ask which things you are reading which are making you dislike it? I personally can not see one thing which makes this worse for anybody.

No, no I'm not saying it will directly harm anyone, I am just a little leery of government intervention of the internet. Yes I know it may be unwarranted paranoia, but I feel like once they get their foot in the door it makes it much easier for them to implement more imposing legislation.

You can scare the internet into opposing anything if there is even a slight chance that it may result in the loss of anonymity. Whether or not it actually does is another story.

 

The whole subtitle for the thread seems unnecessarily trollish. It's a huge leap from what the article the OP actually said, and it worked.

Ridiculous. This will start off as a 'voluntary' thing but I bet that corporations will twist it around to their bidding - especially the media companies.

 

What is it with people's rabid distrust of corporations? They are organizations made of regular people and are not out to get you.

 

A lot of people seem to be not reading and then thinking that this is a log-on system to the internet where the government controls all access. This isn't. It's going to be a secure version of OpenID, more or less.

 

This. There is no suggestion that the government intends to take away anonymity on the internet; rather simply provide for solid login credentials. This is a very smart idea.

It's called innovation. May I ask which things you are reading which are making you dislike it? I personally can not see one thing which makes this worse for anybody.

I like having passwords that I can generate how I see fit. I like keeping various online things linked in small groups, or completely by themselves. I like knowing that there is no one thing that could be compromised to take control of my whole online identity. I like being able to browse the internet with as much anonymity as possible when I feel like it.

It's called innovation. May I ask which things you are reading which are making you dislike it? I personally can not see one thing which makes this worse for anybody.

I like having passwords that I can generate how I see fit. I like keeping various online things linked in small groups, or completely by themselves. I like knowing that there is no one thing that could be compromised to take control of my whole online identity. I like being able to browse the internet with as much anonymity as possible when I feel like it.

Then you got nothing to worry about. Unless the governments gonna force this on us. Which no one knows what the [bleep] is gonna happen.

Ridiculous. This will start off as a 'voluntary' thing but I bet that corporations will twist it around to their bidding - especially the media companies.

 

What is it with people's rabid distrust of corporations? They are organizations made of regular people and are not out to get you.

 

I distrust corporations because they have proven time and again that they are out for profit and will do almost anything to make it. They may not be out to get you, but they are out to get your money.

Ridiculous. This will start off as a 'voluntary' thing but I bet that corporations will twist it around to their bidding - especially the media companies.

 

What is it with people's rabid distrust of corporations? They are organizations made of regular people and are not out to get you.

 

I distrust corporations because they have proven time and again that they are out for profit and will do almost anything to make it. They may not be out to get you, but they are out to get your money.

And when you apply for a job, what are you looking for?

I think the corporations need to fear you!

Thinking about the corporations in another way, they need your money. It is in their best interest to make a system which is as good as it can possibly be so that you, as the consumer, can spend money safely and securely with very little effort. Them wanting money is a good thing in that direction.

Thinking about the corporations in another way, they need your money. It is in their best interest to make a system which is as good as it can possibly be so that you, as the consumer, can spend money safely and securely with very little effort. Them wanting money is a good thing in that direction.

That doesn't exactly work though, does it? How many corporations, particularly the huge media companies that have a vested interest in the internet, actually care about what their customers want? They tell us what we want and people buy into it.

 

I'm not saying all are bad, I'm just saying that I wouldn't touch any form of method that corporations, or the Government, could use to identify me online to me IRL with a ten foot bargepole.

 

If you're so stupid that you can't remember your password then you need to get off the internet, to be very frank. I can understand why having many passwords can get confusing (I know that when trying to log into old accounts on stuff, I struggle to remember which password I was using back then) but that's what password recovery is for. Also, most average people only have ONE password. They don't need this system.

 

The Government and corporations are STILL scared of the internet and they're going to keep trying time and again to force restrictions on it because that's the only thing they know how to do.

Thinking about the corporations in another way, they need your money. It is in their best interest to make a system which is as good as it can possibly be so that you, as the consumer, can spend money safely and securely with very little effort. Them wanting money is a good thing in that direction.

That doesn't exactly work though, does it? How many corporations, particularly the huge media companies that have a vested interest in the internet, actually care about what their customers want? They tell us what we want and people buy into it.

 

I'm not saying all are bad, I'm just saying that I wouldn't touch any form of method that corporations, or the Government, could use to identify me online to me IRL with a ten foot bargepole.

 

If you're so stupid that you can't remember your password then you need to get off the internet, to be very frank. I can understand why having many passwords can get confusing (I know that when trying to log into old accounts on stuff, I struggle to remember which password I was using back then) but that's what password recovery is for. Also, most average people only have ONE password. They don't need this system.

 

The Government and corporations are STILL scared of the internet and they're going to keep trying time and again to force restrictions on it because that's the only thing they know how to do.

Damn, i couldn't have put it better myself.

How difficult is it to write down passwords/website on a paper? I don't want the government fingering about in my business.

Thinking about the corporations in another way, they need your money. It is in their best interest to make a system which is as good as it can possibly be so that you, as the consumer, can spend money safely and securely with very little effort. Them wanting money is a good thing in that direction.

That doesn't exactly work though, does it? How many corporations, particularly the huge media companies that have a vested interest in the internet, actually care about what their customers want? They tell us what we want and people buy into it.

 

I'm not saying all are bad, I'm just saying that I wouldn't touch any form of method that corporations, or the Government, could use to identify me online to me IRL with a ten foot bargepole.

 

If you're so stupid that you can't remember your password then you need to get off the internet, to be very frank. I can understand why having many passwords can get confusing (I know that when trying to log into old accounts on stuff, I struggle to remember which password I was using back then) but that's what password recovery is for. Also, most average people only have ONE password. They don't need this system.

 

The Government and corporations are STILL scared of the internet and they're going to keep trying time and again to force restrictions on it because that's the only thing they know how to do.

Whoah, look at Racheya getting all anti-establishment on us! ;) I definitely agree with what you said, I have a natural mistrust for corporations as well...especially when it comes to the internet.

^Again it has to be said, the government is not involved in the running of the proposed system. I feel we need some larger font to get that through.

 

Why even have internet when we can use telephones, libraries, books, museums and physical speech to get information. Why use word programs when we have paper? Why use music players when we can tap our feet? Why innovate at all? Lets just go back to the dark ages because innovating is pointless?

 

You and I may be able to remember passwords, but older generations cannot. Business' main targets are those of older generations who may not be as computer literate, who may have harder times remembering passwords for their banks and various shopping websites. They want mass appeal, which means they need a system which can be used to effortlessly make the internet easier to use for anybody that wants it so. Again, I see no problem with allowing a system which people who choose to can use to link all their profiles into one, more secure, easily accessible system.

 

 

I think people are confusing corporations. The companies which would oversee this are companies which run the internet already for the majority including Google and Paypal. Do they suddenly want to ruin the internet? No, not one bit. They also are not scared of the internet, they want to make the internet better and more accessible for the masses. The companies who would oversee this are companies which need the internet to be working to make their money.

 

It isn't companies that are scared of the internet, many have embraced it with open arms. It is the people that are scared of the internet. This would be a small step in bridging the gap between young people using the internet and older generations using it.

 

 

I'm utterly confused by how scared people seem to get when the words government and corporation are used.

Thinking about the corporations in another way, they need your money. It is in their best interest to make a system which is as good as it can possibly be so that you, as the consumer, can spend money safely and securely with very little effort. Them wanting money is a good thing in that direction.

That doesn't exactly work though, does it? How many corporations, particularly the huge media companies that have a vested interest in the internet, actually care about what their customers want? They tell us what we want and people buy into it.

 

I'm not saying all are bad, I'm just saying that I wouldn't touch any form of method that corporations, or the Government, could use to identify me online to me IRL with a ten foot bargepole.

 

If you're so stupid that you can't remember your password then you need to get off the internet, to be very frank. I can understand why having many passwords can get confusing (I know that when trying to log into old accounts on stuff, I struggle to remember which password I was using back then) but that's what password recovery is for. Also, most average people only have ONE password. They don't need this system.

 

The Government and corporations are STILL scared of the internet and they're going to keep trying time and again to force restrictions on it because that's the only thing they know how to do.

 

Yet you're using a government sanctioned ISP and can be easily identified by your IP address. I can get your IP address in a matter of minutes (presuming I didn't have it already), can find your ISP using online tools, and then, had I a contact at the ISP(which the government would), could easily get your home address and billing info.

^Again it has to be said, the government is not involved in the running of the proposed system. I feel we need some larger font to get that through.

 

The Government practically IS a corporation and either way, I talked about corporations not just the Government. The Government doesn't NEED to get involved in this at all, I don't mean in the running I mean in the whole idea of it.

 

Why even have internet when we can use telephones, libraries, books, museums and physical speech to get information. Why use word programs when we have paper? Why use music players when we can tap our feet? Why innovate at all? Lets just go back to the dark ages because innovating is pointless?

 

This is NOTHING to do with innovation. People have been getting along fine without a system like this for a long time now and there are already similar things in place (I think OpenID was mentioned)... why do we suddenly need this? How is this in any way similar to anything you mentioned? Don't use such a strawman.

 

You and I may be able to remember passwords, but older generations cannot. Business' main targets are those of older generations who may not be as computer literate, who may have harder times remembering passwords for their banks and various shopping websites. They want mass appeal, which means they need a system which can be used to effortlessly make the internet easier to use for anybody that wants it so. Again, I see no problem with allowing a system which people who choose to can use to link all their profiles into one, more secure, easily accessible system.

 

Computer illiterate people are scared of lots of things on the internet. So, how does saying 'don't worry, we'll put all your bank details, national insurance number, passwords and accounts to everything you have on the internet, in one place' help? It's not hard to see what a frightening concept that is. There's no proof at all that this is going to help the people you're talking about more than a piece of paper with a password or a notepad file.

 

I think people are confusing corporations. The companies which would oversee this are companies which run the internet already for the majority including Google and Paypal. Do they suddenly want to ruin the internet? No, not one bit. They also are not scared of the internet, they want to make the internet better and more accessible for the masses. The companies who would oversee this are companies which need the internet to be working to make their money.

 

It isn't companies that are scared of the internet, many have embraced it with open arms. It is the people that are scared of the internet. This would be a small step in bridging the gap between young people using the internet and older generations using it.

 

I'm utterly confused by how scared people seem to get when the words government and corporation are used.

I can understand why people like Google and Paypal are being involved in this but this ISN'T their idea. They've been recruited by whoever IS developing it to make it work on the more technical side. The concepts and ideologies behind it, though, are being made by people in companies that are scared of the internet.

 

If you're scared of something, what do you do?

 

Run away from it.

- Hard to do with how rapidly growing the internet is.

 

Fight it.

- Many companies, such as 'bricks and mortar' stores, have tried to resist the internet age but they're quickly going out of business. You can't 'fight' the internet.

 

Control it.

- If you can't make it stop what it's doing, try to take control of a bit of the internet yourself (often via bogus laws like the Digital Economy Bill and the upcoming ACTA in America). Because then, once you've got some control on the internet you can do something about the things you don't like - the things that aren't turning you a profit.

 

And people are SCARED of corporations and the Government because they're not blissful places of cooperation and progress towards mankind. They're all self-minded and use everything they can to get an advantage, that bit more money.

Again, I see no problem with allowing a system which people who choose to can use to link all their profiles into one, more secure, easily accessible system.

 

I see one huge problem with this. This can be hacked and will be hacked. Especially if a weak password is used.

Again, I see no problem with allowing a system which people who choose to can use to link all their profiles into one, more secure, easily accessible system.

 

I see one huge problem with this. This can be hacked and will be hacked. Especially if a weak password is used.

 

If you read a page back, it has been suggested passwords will not be used.

 

EDIT: Rach, I'm forced into using that argument because all people seem to come up with for an argument against the system seems to be that you can write things down already. Problems with this include losing/forgetting said piece of paper, taking up space and paper being easily stolen. A system which gets rid of passwords and stops the need to remember them seems like logical evolution to me.

 

Everything else seems to be non-fact based paranoia against corporations and governments.

 

 

The proposal doesn't even sound as if it is anywhere near ready. It sounds as if it is in it's planning and brainstorming phase anyway. there are little to no details about how it would end up or who would eventually be involved.

Thinking about the corporations in another way, they need your money. It is in their best interest to make a system which is as good as it can possibly be so that you, as the consumer, can spend money safely and securely with very little effort. Them wanting money is a good thing in that direction.

That doesn't exactly work though, does it? How many corporations, particularly the huge media companies that have a vested interest in the internet, actually care about what their customers want? They tell us what we want and people buy into it.

 

I'm not saying all are bad, I'm just saying that I wouldn't touch any form of method that corporations, or the Government, could use to identify me online to me IRL with a ten foot bargepole.

 

If you're so stupid that you can't remember your password then you need to get off the internet, to be very frank. I can understand why having many passwords can get confusing (I know that when trying to log into old accounts on stuff, I struggle to remember which password I was using back then) but that's what password recovery is for. Also, most average people only have ONE password. They don't need this system.

 

The Government and corporations are STILL scared of the internet and they're going to keep trying time and again to force restrictions on it because that's the only thing they know how to do.

 

Yet you're using a government sanctioned ISP and can be easily identified by your IP address. I can get your IP address in a matter of minutes (presuming I didn't have it already), can find your ISP using online tools, and then, had I a contact at the ISP(which the government would), could easily get your home address and billing info.

 

I'm pretty sure ISPs can't just disclose that information without a court order. Data protection act. Even if you had a 'contact'. If corporations had such easy access to that data then they wouldn't have to take ISPs to court trying to get the details of a suspected filesharer, for example.

 

Again, I see no problem with allowing a system which people who choose to can use to link all their profiles into one, more secure, easily accessible system.

 

I see one huge problem with this. This can be hacked and will be hacked. Especially if a weak password is used.

 

If you read a page back, it has been suggested passwords will not be used.

 

It doesn't matter what is used, almost any identification system is open to being hacked. So you choose which is better. One place for hackers to target to get everything? Or making hackers have to try and crack every single account for different things?

Of course it won't just be disclosed - just as these internet ID's wouldn't be disclosed without court order.

It doesn't matter what is used, almost any identification system is open to being hacked. So you choose which is better. One place for hackers to target to get everything? Or making hackers have to try and crack every single account for different things?

 

But as you yourself said, some people only have one or two passwords. So it's either force somebody to hack one very hard thing, or a couple of incredibly easy things? If somebody wanted your information, shopping habits, even some of your bank details, they could very easily do it at the moment. Many people link everything with a single e-mail address. That is protected by a single, often simple password. Once that goes, they would have access to anything you have linked to it via password recoveries and knowing which sites you use to crack those passwords.

 

A more centralised and linked system would then also be easier to reset, stop or change than many smaller things.

Ridiculous. This will start off as a 'voluntary' thing but I bet that corporations will twist it around to their bidding - especially the media companies.

 

Agreed. I hate [cabbage] like this.

^Again it has to be said, the government is not involved in the running of the proposed system. I feel we need some larger font to get that through.

Maybe I need a bigger font....

 

I said anti-establishment not anti-government there is a huge difference between the two.

 

No pun intended.

^Again it has to be said, the government is not involved in the running of the proposed system. I feel we need some larger font to get that through.

Maybe I need a bigger font....

 

I said anti-establishment not anti-government there is a huge difference between the two.

 

No pun intended.

 

 

Ah, it was aimed at Oldjoe's post but you must have posted while I was writing it. Sorry for the confusion.

Ah, it was aimed at Oldjoe's post but you must have posted while I was writing it. Sorry for the confusion.

All in good fun, I wanted an excuse to use size 7 font hahaha.

Like many said before I already use my personal info on twitter/facebook/online banking and even on some forums. I, however, can see how this could go wrong and end up in cutting our freedom of speech.

 

Side note: I see this kinda has a link with net neutrality. I'd like you to watch this video on youtube for an explanation on what is net neutrality

 

 

and if you live in the USA please sign the petition.

http://[Censored - Don't use a URL shortner]/gUsVwk

 

I am not involved or related with the show in said youtube link.