DFS Worth It?

[Brett0wnz]

Currently, I have a dragon defender. Is it worth it to spend 20m and buy a dfs? Why or why not?

 

Thanks!

 

EDIT: What about a BGS too?

 

EDIT EDIT: BCP and Tassets?

[All_Is_Great]

Depends what you do.

 

For general training/slayer, etc. No, it's not worth it, a defender is better I think.

 

But for places where you need defence, such as pvp (like castle wars, soul wars, etc), then it is worth it to get a DFS as a tank shield.

[Nifflin]

Nope, no reason to spend 20m on it at all unless you literally have millions to throw away. The only place where it is best is frost wyrms. One slayer task, that's it. For bosses maybe it can substitute for a dung shield or a spirit shield if you're soloing.

 

I can't think of anything else. It's pretty overpriced and lower dps then defender on most things.

[highlanders]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing? Then yes. If not, there's a thousand better things you could be spending that money on.

[Noxx]

Neither of those two items (BGS or DFS) are really worth it. Unless you do a lot of DK's or GWD (Arma or Bandos/Zammy tanking) it really isn't worth getting a DFS. BGS...well it's been a useless item for a pretty long time. Only two or three places it has some use (Corp, PK and maybe as a spec weapon at Zammy or Bandos [only if you're soloing])

[Brett0wnz]

Okay, so what about BCP and Tassets?

[bedman]

Nope. DFS has a very niche use (where you need a lot of defence, and can sacrifice attack bonuses for it).

[Hegelstad]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing? Then yes. If not, there's a thousand better things you could be spending that money on.

 

If he slays a lot he should NOT use it, dragon defender is best in all slayer scenarios except wyverns ;-)

[Cantristenon]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing? Then yes. If not, there's a thousand better things you could be spending that money on.

 

If he slays a lot he should NOT use it, dragon defender is best in all slayer scenarios except wyverns ;-)

 

Exactly, if he slays a lot it's the only scenario he can be fighting wyverns where he needs it ;) well not need but to use it somewhere where it's useful.

 

Edit. Noticed that made no sense so i try again: Yes he uses dragon defender everywhere else when slaying but also wants to do those occasional wyvern tasks as efficiently as possible and gets it for that purpose only. If he wouldn't slay a lot there wouldn't be this need to buy it.

[ajdimfv82459askdfjvkm]

In your situation, Bcp>tassets>everything else until you have enough money for extremes and turmoil, in which case get either and sell bcp and tassets if you need to to afford them (+6 str isn't worth 30% melee bonus)

[Tim]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing? Then yes. If not, there's a thousand better things you could be spending that money on.

 

If he slays a lot he should NOT use it, dragon defender is best in all slayer scenarios except wyverns ;-)

Except metal dragons (and black) obviously. (unless he has super antifires)

[Ezkaton]

Quite honestly as people have said:

 

Dragon Defender > DFS in virtually all situations regarding PvM apart from solo tanking of high leveled bosses if you need help like that. However as FFA boss hunters would tell you - Ddef > DFS there too as you wana try and cause as much damage ASAP. Also DFS is only useful at wyverns really.

 

BGS is useless, if you have that money to waste put it into herblore or prayer.

 

Finally: Extremes > Chaotic > Yak > Fury > Berserker Ring > Turmoil > Overloads > Claws (If you plan to boss) > BCP > Tassets.

(Yak is after extremes as you'll probably spend the best part of 70M+ on 89/90 herblore and therefore will be strapped for cash in which case you'd go for the cheaper (compared to prayer) yak and go somewhere to make money back).

 

BCP and Tassets like the other 2 items you have asked about in this thread are mostly obsolete pieces of junk. Whilst there are those that will debate this personally I have found it a better combination to go with V skirt + whatever top I feel whether it be prosylite or torags. Whilst strength bonus is nice, yes, it is not imperitive and getting extremes, chaotic, yak, and turmoil before getting items will stand you in better stead for any kind of PvM whether it be slaying or bosses, then you should buy the equipment.

 

As a wise friend once said to me - Items last as long as I want them, skills last forever.

[SirIzenhime]

 

 

Finally: Extremes > Chaotic > Yak > Fury > Berserker Ring > Turmoil > Overloads > Claws (If you plan to boss) > BCP > Tassets.

 

 

Your order is a bit messed up...

 

Extremes > Turmoil > Chaotic > Yak > Fury > Berserker Ring > Claws > Overloads(If you plan to boss) > BCP ~ Tassets (depends if you get a torso or not).

 

I'd place Overloads after claws because you wouldn't use OVL on your day to day monster.

If you plan to hardcore boss, then ovl would be more worth it (but only really for soloing), even then, and spec weapon is important as well.

[Ezkaton]

 

 

Finally: Extremes > Chaotic > Yak > Fury > Berserker Ring > Turmoil > Overloads > Claws (If you plan to boss) > BCP > Tassets.

 

 

Your order is a bit messed up...

 

Extremes > Turmoil > Chaotic > Yak > Fury > Berserker Ring > Claws > Overloads(If you plan to boss) > BCP ~ Tassets (depends if you get a torso or not).

 

I'd place Overloads after claws because you wouldn't use OVL on your day to day monster.

If you plan to hardcore boss, then ovl would be more worth it (but only really for soloing), even then, and spec weapon is important as well.

 

I did it around that way because the OP can clearly not be able to afford extremes and turmoil then the rest of it. However, you are right, I was just trying to gear it for the OP though. :)

[highlanders]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing? Then yes. If not, there's a thousand better things you could be spending that money on.

 

If he slays a lot he should NOT use it, dragon defender is best in all slayer scenarios except wyverns ;-)

No, my point is that if you slay a lot you will end up wanting that DFS to make the wyverns and dragons less annoying. Have you ever seen a 99 slayer kill wyverns using a mind/body shield still? That's rhetorical, btw. :roll:

[Bladewing]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing? Then yes. If not, there's a thousand better things you could be spending that money on.

 

If he slays a lot he should NOT use it, dragon defender is best in all slayer scenarios except wyverns ;-)

No, my point is that if you slay a lot you will end up wanting that DFS to make the wyverns and dragons less annoying. Have you ever seen a 99 slayer kill wyverns using a mind/body shield still? That's rhetorical, btw. :roll:

i use elemental shield on wyverns. they're such a rare task that i don't even bother with paying 25m for a shield for them

 

and who uses dfs on dragons these days?

[highlanders]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing? Then yes. If not, there's a thousand better things you could be spending that money on.

 

If he slays a lot he should NOT use it, dragon defender is best in all slayer scenarios except wyverns ;-)

No, my point is that if you slay a lot you will end up wanting that DFS to make the wyverns and dragons less annoying. Have you ever seen a 99 slayer kill wyverns using a mind/body shield still? That's rhetorical, btw. :roll:

i use elemental shield on wyverns. they're such a rare task that i don't even bother with paying 25m for a shield for them

 

and who uses dfs on dragons these days?

 

People who fit these criteria:

 

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing?

 

25m is dirt cheap for a lot of people. If the OP is one of such people (although I doubt it) there's no reason not to buy it. If you have 99 slay and still can't afford DFS then you're doing something wrong. I'm not anywhere near your stats and I still can afford it, so yeah.

[Bladewing]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing?

i fit all of those categories, and it's still not worth it

[SirIzenhime]

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing? Then yes. If not, there's a thousand better things you could be spending that money on.

 

If he slays a lot he should NOT use it, dragon defender is best in all slayer scenarios except wyverns ;-)

No, my point is that if you slay a lot you will end up wanting that DFS to make the wyverns and dragons less annoying. Have you ever seen a 99 slayer kill wyverns using a mind/body shield still? That's rhetorical, btw. :roll:

i use elemental shield on wyverns. they're such a rare task that i don't even bother with paying 25m for a shield for them

 

and who uses dfs on dragons these days?

 

People who fit these criteria:

 

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing?

 

25m is dirt cheap for a lot of people. If the OP is one of such people (although I doubt it) there's no reason not to buy it. If you have 99 slay and still can't afford DFS then you're doing something wrong. I'm not anywhere near your stats and I still can afford it, so yeah.

 

You think blade can't afford it? Lol

He just doesn't buy it because it wouldn't be useful to him.

Ok wyverns...a shield he'll use once a week for 70 kills, yay.

[LinkOlaran]

I may only be 89 (almost 90) slayer, but a DFS would provide zero extra use to me for wyverns to begin with. A vast majority of the damage I take is from their ice breath attack, which a DFS would hardly help with. A mind/elemental/body shield will do just fine. The only thing DFS does help with is melee defence, and in that case, I tank them pathetically easily at 97 defence anyway.

 

Only positive of DFS for wyverns is the slightly larger strength bonus, but I wouldn't dump 17 ish mill into a +2 str bonus from tassies, no way in hell I'm dumping 25 mill for the strength bonus from DFS for the one task I'd actually use it on.

 

Maybe, if for whatever reason I decide to camp wyverns for whatever reason (visage drop, crimson charms, or something) it might be helpful. But for general slayer, nah.

 

More on topic, I personally use BCP and verac's skirt for general slaying, but that's just me. I'm unsure if that's the most efficient route or not, but I prefer the defence/pray bonus of the skirt so I can soulsplit/turmoil on tasks easier (no firecape, so I use sw cape and have 20 ish pray bonus on all tasks anyway). If someone wishes to correct me, feel free :P

[Robert_R]

I don't slay much but after 85 herblore I can't justify spending 25m on something that would only be useful on one specific thing. Wyverns are easy as hell to kill without it so what purpose does it serve other than an unnecessary amount of defence at the cost of potential useful levels. And for dragons you're going to use z spear or korasi+d defender or a whip+d defender.

[gspbeetle]

I don't slay much but after 85 herblore I can't justify spending 25m on something that would only be useful on one specific thing. Wyverns are easy as hell to kill without it so what purpose does it serve other than an unnecessary amount of defence at the cost of potential useful levels. And for dragons you're going to use z spear or korasi+d defender or a whip+d defender.

 

How can you get 85 horblore with only 25m?

Point is people dont want to spend/ have the power to get 85 herb.

 

People who fit these criteria:

Do you have turmoil, overload, all best equipment, slay a lot, and have a big pile of geepees sitting on your bank doing nothing?

25m is dirt cheap for a lot of people. If the OP is one of such people (although I doubt it) there's no reason not to buy it.

There aint inflation in rs atm, no reason to own it either.

The advantage of an item over training a skill is its refundable altough sometimes it might be pain in the as to get a trade.

[highlanders]

It's spelled isn't, not ain't.

 

There is inflation right now. The inflation will diminish if the wild vote goes through, but still more coin will be created than destroyed, and inflation will continue, just not as strong. Everything will go down in price long-term, everything. Does that mean you should sell your entire bank? No.

[Robert_R]

I don't slay much but after 85 herblore I can't justify spending 25m on something that would only be useful on one specific thing. Wyverns are easy as hell to kill without it so what purpose does it serve other than an unnecessary amount of defence at the cost of potential useful levels. And for dragons you're going to use z spear or korasi+d defender or a whip+d defender.

 

How can you get 85 horblore with only 25m?

Point is people dont want to spend/ have the power to get 85 herb.

 

Did I say you could? Oh wait no I didn't. I was just saying that after you get 85 herblore the dragonfire shield is an unnecessary waste of money. And if you're serious about killing anything you should consider leveling up skills instead of buying unnecessary armour when you have the ability to train that skill.

 

Basically what I'm saying(for the third time because you clearly didn't understand it the first time and I have my doubts that you will the second time) is if you have the money to get 85 herblore get it and don't worry about the dragonfire shield because it is not worth the money. At least until you have 96 herb, 95 prayer, 99 summoning, bandos, claws, fury, and 25m that you don't need so you can buy an item to sit in the bank.

[Bladewing]

It's spelled isn't, not ain't.

 

There is inflation right now. The inflation will diminish if the wild vote goes through, but still more coin will be created than destroyed, and inflation will continue, just not as strong. Everything will go down in price long-term, everything. Does that mean you should sell your entire bank? No.

There is inflation right now.

 

do you know what inflation is? because runescape's economy is experience its exact polar opposite, deflation.