Runescape needs Apemeken .

[Dracae]

Runescape needs Apmeken .

 

The 'Do no evil' quest used an interesting idea, a philosophy.

One I have seen before in a Jack Vance book.

 

Basically: the attitude of the gods reflects of of the ppl and area they lord over.

When Apemeken disappears, taking her friendly influence with her the evil gods dominated and the desert became an evil and desolate place.

Now, the hope is , that with the return of Apemeken friendship, sociability, niceness will also slowly return to the desert.

 

 

I say, runescape, as a community also needs its Apmeken.

With the return of wildy and free trade, and the associated rwt cheating.. I see a big change in attitudes of the average rs player.

( Note- this is NOT a plea to stop the reintroduction of w/ft)

 

A lot of adversarial talk and behaviour, from all sides.. I even see myself getting aggravated till the point that I shout at trolls..

When listening to public chat and even more on the forums you see the verbal bullies and griefers have multiplied already and if the announcements are to believed they will be back in force in the game next month also.

 

A few examples:

 

-putting ppl you do not agree with on forums on a 'death-list'

-Names like rapepker, skilkiller.. analpker, iownjesus, gfskiller ( I on purpose didn't look these up, but just wrote them out of memory, because these are examples, not meant to be real player names )

-Al the 'good fight, we won, hahaha, ' treads.

-STFU, mofo, gtfo, FU, idiot, [kitties], cowards, (something)yo momma

-threads about how to lure ( without getting banned)

-defending bots.. opposing fair game play

 

I am sure next month we can ad a lot more, like attempts to destroy organised penguin cc's , stalking airorbers and abyss runners just for kicks.. and other bullie behaviour.

 

A special mention to great player initiatives, like Burstinglobs cc, who bless total strangers in waterbirth tunnels, on the 'pay it forward' principle.. who probably will soon have a hard time.

 

The game Will in my opinion benefit from the return of true pk-ing and free trade, but looting, bullieing, verbal baiting, griefing and trolling will in my opinion only diminish the game and its community.

 

 

I suggest we need our own resurgence of friendliness, niceness , our own Apemeken.

We need to work on that ourselves and Jagex can do things.

 

Suggestions for players:

 

-Keep blessing every grave you see.

-Protect others from bullies.

-Keep cool ( I am taking note myself here )

-Generally be nice and helpful.. but do not reward beggars.

 

Suggestions to Jagex:

 

-Make graves only lootable after being blessed, if needed reduce blessed time. In doing so encouraging good behaviour.

-Make rules against luring and other malicious behaviour very clear and enforce them strictly.

-Make statements on the forum explaining and encouraging good behaviour.

-Balance wildy so there is no canon-fodder, without making it too safe. In other words, make going to wildy attractive for skillers, cluers, penguinspiers, this will also help pk-ers by keeping the 'food-chain'

healthy.

-Do the utmost to combat cheaters, rwt, gather bots, mainbotters..

 

I myself will try better not to lash out at ppl trolling and insulting me..

 

 

PAY IT FORWARD!

 

edited 'dessert', indeed English is not my first language, I rely on spell-check.. lol

[Dracae]

I realize saying killing unarmed skillers just for kicks is bullie behaviour could be seen as me calling names..

 

I have thought a bit on this, but, its an accurate description and necessary for the point

Please note I do not aim this or anything else at individual players, i am commenting on general attitudes.

 

My suggestions, however are to every individual player!

[sprites]

I enjoy a good dessert. :D

 

Maybe players would be nicer to each other if they went for icecream?

[Atom Smash40]

I saw dessert. I will give you the benefit of the doubt since English is not your first language.

 

I don't think people will mature up; this game is filled with angsty <17 year olds and childish >12 year olds. The only "honorable" players are those that have been around for a long time or are adults who play the game for fun. And even then, there are immature people among them. In fact, some of the top 21 are immature e-thugs.

[foursideking]

I'm surprised how much runescape has changed in the past few years. I remember back when I was just starting p2p in 2006. I was poor, and lost, so I went to the closest bank I could find, asking for help. Within a period of 2minutes, I had total strangers giving me free armor/weopens/food, telling me good advice on what to do, and leaving me with the message 'if you need any help, send me a pm and I'll try and assist'. Kinda sad how bad things've gone...where if I try to assist total strangers now, I end up being called offensive names, and shunned by people half my age. Jagex truly needs to introduce a good behavior system. It'd be more or less a list for those who are confused, listing the names of people who are as nice and helpful as the people I met 4 years ago. And at the top, it'd have in big bolded letters the words 'do not abuse'. Sure, it wouldn't be perfect, but it'd be something that'd enable the nicer people of runescape to seperate/have fun away from the newer/meaner generation. Good post....9/10...

[sohkmj1]

I take it as 3+ years of "safe" Runescape softened you up? Your player suggestions were pretty much the "unwritten" rule of the pre-07 RS.

Regardless:

Suggestions to Jagex:

 

-Make graves only lootable after being blessed, if needed reduce blessed time. In doing so encouraging good behaviour.

 

Or I could be a jerk and not bless and not let the guy get his items back. This is flawed either way; there will always be players who want to ruin your experience.

 

-Make rules against luring and other malicious behaviour very clear and enforce them strictly.

I'm pretty sure this is already in place, for the most part.

-Make statements on the forum explaining and encouraging good behaviour.

....? It's all for one and one for all, there's no point in bringing all this back if Jagex is going to try and control it again.

-Balance wildy so there is no canon-fodder, without making it too safe. In other words, make going to wildy attractive for skillers, cluers, penguinspiers, this will also help pk-ers by keeping the 'food-chain'

healthy.

Cannon fodder? All these claims are based on the fact that "crap the wilderness is going to be packed with pkers forever PANIC@@@@@@@@@@@@@". Ever visited the wilderness on a normal world (not 18 or 2) before the updates?

-Do the utmost to combat cheaters, rwt, gather bots, mainbotters..

They supposedly have some deus ex machina for this purpose, although what it is remains to be seen (but it will likely be ineffective).

[1wngedangel]

The only "honorable" players are those that have been around for a long time or are adults who play the game for fun.

I've met plenty of new players who have politely asked for me to explain something (albeit in less than perfect grammar), don't let your long play time make you pessimistic :D

 

I completely disagree with the OP. Bless people's graves? Remove risk from wildy? Did you not play before 2007? When there WERE no graves, and everyone knew full well what kind of risk going into the wildy for something other than pking was.

When you go somewhere dangerous, there is always the risk of dying. Players who die for any reason knew these risks and took them anyway. Why shouldn't I take their items when they die? This mechanic existed since the inception of runescape and I'm very glad its coming back. Now people will think twice before running off somewhere dangerous wearing half their bank.

 

The kinds of risks you want to eliminate are a lot of what made runescape fun pre-2007. Just because you're used to being able to die whenever you want and know your items are safe doesn't mean we should remove all risk from the game.

[CharlieBrown]

Whole of OP's post seems like he just needs to harden up.

Anyone who played pree '07 will realise the danger of said areas & graves

 

And, mentioning graves, you ALREADY HAVE 6 MINUTES TO GET BACK. This is 6 MORE minutes than you used to have

How much more time do you want.

If you die; so be it.

It was part of the game and will be, once again, part of the game.

 

QQ.

[Dracae]

Whole of OP's post seems like he just needs to harden up.

Anyone who played pree '07 will realise the danger of said areas & graves

 

And, mentioning graves, you ALREADY HAVE 6 MINUTES TO GET BACK. This is 6 MORE minutes than you used to have

How much more time do you want.

If you die; so be it.

It was part of the game and will be, once again, part of the game.

 

QQ.

 

O it sounds like that? Well maybe I need to explain something about myself, even though this thread is not about me.

 

I played rs long before 07, been an ( inactive ) member of Tip.it forums since 05.

Before 07 I had no trouble staying alive in the wildy, I liked it over the new situation. Only reason why I accepted w/ft being taken was the obvious impact bots were having on the game and my hatret of cheaters.

I will again enjoy the wildy, I will hopefully not get killed by some trick outside it.. because I have learned..

 

This thread is not directly selfish , the stuff named will affect the new and inexperience players more. This thread how ever is indirectly selfish, besides that I don't like this grim feel that RS is getting again, we all need newbs.. the game needs them to be healthy, the economy does.. and in the end if there are non we will become the noobs.. lol.

I see the upside of free trade and wildy.. but what is the upside of a more grim, antagonistic, violent mood to the community?

The game is played by people, treat them as such.. or at least it should be played.. not botted..

[foursideking]

Refer back to my earlier post for an easier idea of this thread's arguement...

[Alistair]

Eh, it's Apmeken. The mischievous monkey goddess.

 

I'm not sure attitudes are in danger of changing, more that their true attitudes will become highlighted by whatever changes happen.

 

With regards, to gravestones, I think more items need to be 'accidentally lost' to be honest. Though all in all, I do agree with the fundamental message of the OP. Runescape does need a bit of help from Apmeken, just to avoid the potential Schandenfreude which may arise from future changes.

 

Though in order for the wilderness to be used for any useful pking, I agree that there have to be new resources in the wilderness.

[Dracae]

 

 

I completely disagree with the OP. Bless people's graves? Remove risk from wildy? Did you not play before 2007? When there WERE no graves, and everyone knew full well what kind of risk going into the wildy for something other than pking was.

When you go somewhere dangerous, there is always the risk of dying. Players who die for any reason knew these risks and took them anyway. Why shouldn't I take their items when they die? This mechanic existed since the inception of runescape and I'm very glad its coming back. Now people will think twice before running off somewhere dangerous wearing half their bank.

 

== And no reply what so ever to my main problem with this: the return of luring and tricks to kill ppl outside wildy.. ==

 

The kinds of risks you want to eliminate are a lot of what made runescape fun pre-2007. Just because you're used to being able to die whenever you want and know your items are safe doesn't mean we should remove all risk from the game.

 

== You aim this personally at me, I explained in the post before this, that this is not about me being afraid to die.. I almost never did before 07, even though I went in wildy a lot.. I now don't monster hunt at all, since I have a concentration problem.. I accept this as my problem and do not complain about monsterhunters getting good drops .

I also in my origional post explained that I did not want to remove the wildy, nor make it without risk.. so i wonder why you think that.

 

A lot has changed since 07, a lot of new weapons and other offensive options are there now that were not back then. This means in my mind some parts became more dangerous then 07.

I actualy understand and always wonder why most pkers do not.. that to keep the wildy healthy we need skillers in there, who get preyed upon by the less talented pk-ers, who then again are targeted by other pk-ers.

If an activity becomes 'murder' skillers are just not going to do it.. Skillers also think of risk v reward.

Which obviously is why Jagex upgraded the runerocks.

I can go in to detail on all this , but the conclusion will always be: Wildy should be a desirable place to go for all types of players.. for the sake off all types INCLUDING pk-ers.

 

Then about graves: we have had them for over 3 years, Jagex has taken this in to account when designing monsters and areas.. its all about the balance of things.

An option could be to let graves of ppl going to hard to reach places spawn outside.

Like outside the gwd, outside waterbirth dungeon, etc.

 

Beyond al these details.. I am mostly asking for a bit off common decency on the game because it is played by real people..

[Dracae]

 

 

Though in order for the wilderness to be used for any useful pking, I agree that there have to be new resources in the wilderness.

 

Exactly, the knife cuts both ways.. a wildy that's useful for skillers will also provide targets for pk-ers...

 

 

foursideking : I can't find what post you are referring too.

[foursideking]

It was my first reply to this one...look up.

[Dracae]

It was my first reply to this one...look up.

 

Lol, sorry, I blame it on age.. mine..

 

 

Please explain some more how a list of nice ppl would work, what incentive there would be and how it could not be abused.. etc..

 

I already have a bit of a list of nice ppl, its called my friendslist.. sadly though some younger ones reach puberty .. lol..

Anyway, to me this is about the little things.. its those that steer the general direction of the community.

 

So, if jagex were not to make 'being an ass' easier unless there was a very good reason, wile making a point of appreciating ppl being nice.. I think it will help.

 

I actually agree one upside to next weeks update is adding a little spice that rs was loosing .. specially in the wildy, I just think this does not necessarily mean we all have to become bullies..

[Golvellius]

They are adding signature heros here some time.

You can see them on the front page.

They will be role models for the kids to copy.

I doubt it will work though.

Just one trip to an illustrious clan forum and your kid will come back a wannabe gangster.

Complete with an education in DDOS, hacking, tricking, character impersonation and assassination.

Pking isn't about PVP its about pixels and being one cool badass thug.

[Dracae]

They are adding signature heros here some time.

You can see them on the front page.

They will be role models for the kids to copy.

I doubt it will work though.

Just one trip to an illustrious clan forum and your kid will come back a wannabe gangster.

Complete with an education in DDOS, hacking, tricking, character impersonation and assassination.

Pking isn't about PVP its about pixels and being one cool badass thug.

 

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to me there is 2 types of pking, there is the thril of going in to wildy, risking your gear fighting others. The second type is going after unarmed targets, just to bully.

I know I am generalising.. but, I do not think all pkers are thugs..

 

I did read some articles about among others DDOS and was flabbergasted..

Maybe I was a little naive..

 

These articles, also on this site, are among the reasons why I am against lootable graves.

Making it so there is no financial incentive will hopefully stop ppl from among others using ddos attacks to kill others.

 

Incidentally, I heard from a friend who owns a computer repair-shop 2 days ago that some browsers, I believe Chrome included, can be easily cloned, if you only know the others IP, with that you will have access to stored paswords etc.

An other friend who programs for AT&T tells me DDOS is very easy..

 

 

Obviously I don't know if this all is true and frankly I don't want to know, only thing I care about is how to protect against this stuff.

[Hajutze]

Lol...pking is dumb to begin with....a bunch of idiots obsessed over pixelated items worth absolutely nothing in the real world. Note to all pkers: get a job and move out of your parent's basement

You know ... there are people that for some reason are obsessed over a plastic card and virtual information (a.k.a. mostly used form of money ATM) which is as real as runescape considering that both are just 0s and 1s.

[Dexek]

All people can do is try to have a positive impact on others themselves. You can't try to shape and form others without a backlash.

 

Personally, I don't see it becoming any more negative than currently. Hell, I know I'll be in a more positive mood myself.

[Dragonlordjl]

Whole of OP's post seems like he just needs to harden up.

Anyone who played pree '07 will realise the danger of said areas & graves

 

And, mentioning graves, you ALREADY HAVE 6 MINUTES TO GET BACK. This is 6 MORE minutes than you used to have

How much more time do you want.

If you die; so be it.

It was part of the game and will be, once again, part of the game.

 

QQ.

Pre '07, people boss-hunted with far less valuable gear. Also, lootable graves at bosses is that this will give people an incentive to start "luring" at places like DKs and TDs. It gives people an INCENTIVE not to bless, when previously people would generally bless because it benefits the team (with faster kills and better anti-crash power) to have you return after a death. And since most of the teams at GWD were previously formed on the RSOF with strangers, this will have a devastating impact on boss hunting in general.

 

Also, saying "QQ" really hurts your credibility and makes you look like a douchebag.

[pal2002]

I'm glad there are good people like OP out there.

 

However, the rs community has pretty much always been what you described due to the inherent gameplay mechanics that has no healing class and discourages co-op, leading to pretty much rewarding selfish and eventually cheating behavior. Not to have say that I've never met good players. There are lMMO's out there that have NO PVP but just as successful as RS because they reward players for co-op behavior rather than PvP. Unfortunately and regretably, I don't think RS can become one of those games.

[BloodAngel]

Lol...pking is dumb to begin with....a bunch of idiots obsessed over pixelated items worth absolutely nothing in the real world. Note to all pkers: get a job and move out of your parent's basement

 

You do realise your statement applies Runescape in general? It's a game, people play to get pixels worth absolutely nothing in the real world for fun.

[Pinata]

.I have no reason really helping others if they die. Online honor is stupid (unless you want rs to be your rl), and your most likely never going to see that person again. You also can't blame people for luring and stuff, because that person being lured should know the risk, and if they don't well like I said b4 you don't know them irl so sucks for them, and I don't expect any favors from anyone else, simple as that.

[Dracae]

All people can do is try to have a positive impact on others themselves. You can't try to shape and form others without a backlash.

 

Personally, I don't see it becoming any more negative than currently. Hell, I know I'll be in a more positive mood myself.

 

The whole point of talking about Apemeken is saying .. it is possible to impact a community.

Jagex obviously has the biggest chance of doing so, but we also do.

I actually think Tip.it has an impact on the community..

[Dracae]

Whole of OP's post seems like he just needs to harden up.

Anyone who played pree '07 will realise the danger of said areas & graves

 

And, mentioning graves, you ALREADY HAVE 6 MINUTES TO GET BACK. This is 6 MORE minutes than you used to have

How much more time do you want.

If you die; so be it.

It was part of the game and will be, once again, part of the game.

 

QQ.

Pre '07, people boss-hunted with far less valuable gear. Also, lootable graves at bosses is that this will give people an incentive to start "luring" at places like DKs and TDs. It gives people an INCENTIVE not to bless, when previously people would generally bless because it benefits the team (with faster kills and better anti-crash power) to have you return after a death. And since most of the teams at GWD were previously formed on the RSOF with strangers, this will have a devastating impact on boss hunting in general.

 

Also, saying "QQ" really hurts your credibility and makes you look like a douchebag.

 

A friend of mine made the 'funny' statement that it would probably be more profitable to start looting bosshunters then to actually hunt yourself..

 

Anyway, .. what does QQ mean?