Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

 

Trust trades aren't reportable. I've asked a very strict pmod in my CC about this and he said there's nothing you can do apart from ignoring it.

Im new to this kind of stuff, what is the flower game and dice game?

Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

 

Trust trades aren't reportable. I've asked a very strict pmod in my CC about this and he said there's nothing you can do apart from ignoring it.

Wow thats such bull, I've been muted several times for doubling money, not to mention mods can give automatic 2 days mutes w/o appeal which is totally overpowered. So, yes you can get muted for trust trades, however your green bar in the ban column won't rise one bit. I don't blame you though, another mod also told me you can do trust trades all you want, because there's a second trade screen that warns the player however you'd be surprised at how much I made in 2 hours of doubling.

 

Anyways, I don't know how scamming is possible on RS w/o trust trading besides phishing or asking for passes.

 

Edit:Btw the dice game is biggest scam ever

 

lvl 126 in f2p with smithing cape,

 

1m won got 2m

700k won got 1.4m

600k lost

800k lost

2.5m won - he logs out

Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

 

Trust trades aren't reportable. I've asked a very strict pmod in my CC about this and he said there's nothing you can do apart from ignoring it.

Wow thats such bull, I've been muted several times for doubling money, not to mention mods can give automatic 2 days mutes w/o appeal which is totally overpowered. So, yes you can get muted for trust trades, however your green bar in the ban column won't rise one bit. I don't blame you though, another mod also told me you can do trust trades all you want, because there's a second trade screen that warns the player however you'd be surprised at how much I made in 2 hours of doubling.

 

Anyways, I don't know how scamming is possible on RS w/o trust trading besides phishing or asking for passes.

 

Edit:Btw the dice game is biggest scam ever

 

lvl 126 in f2p with smithing cape,

 

1m won got 2m

700k won got 1.4m

600k lost

800k lost

2.5m won - he logs out

I can guarantee you that there are more money doubler scams than there are dice game scams. You have to be a moron to scam when you're running a dice game, because paying out a big win is free advertising that gets way more noobs lining up to throw money at you. Not to say nobody dice game scams, but NOBODY doubling money is legitimate.

"doubling money" is ALWAYS a scam if you have to physically give them the money for them to do it.

 

When people double lower amounts of cash, it's just to try to lure people into trusting them.

If people REALLY were doubling money, they'd be willing to do it in the trade screen.

I've actually had a really stupid doubler double my cash in one screen, if you can call him that...

 

I guess he figured after his cash stack shrunk that he was doing it wrong...

 

That's someone actually doing it legit if they did it in the trade screen....

It's quiet ass like to call someone stupid when they just helped you out.

The fun thing is that this happened irl. WinCapita anyone? :D

I usually give them 30-50k, they double it, and then I leave.

 

That's exactly what I do.

I've found that it often helps to feign extreme naivety so as to make the scammer believe you'll hand over more once he proves himself. Technically scamming a scammer.

 

 

Same though I've had someone in F2P run off with 500gp before. For some there is truly no hope.

I usually give them 30-50k, they double it, and then I leave.

 

That's exactly what I do.

I've found that it often helps to feign extreme naivety so as to make the scammer believe you'll hand over more once he proves himself. Technically scamming a scammer.

 

 

Same though I've had someone in F2P run off with 500gp before. For some there is truly no hope.

Slightly off topic, you can actually make money off playing the flower game if you do the maths right. If you guess the same colour each time and double the amount you pay to the host each time as well, you are garunteed to win assuming that you can afford to keep doing it, that they are doing 4x or more and that they actually pay out when you win. Not that I reccomend gambling all your money...

 

 

This, my dear sir, is called Martingale betting system. If you believe that this will ever work in real use, you are being silly.

 

You bet $160 at a casino roulette table, you lose. You bet $320, you lose. You bet $640, you lose. You bet $12... "Sorry, sir. The maximum bet on our tables is $1000. Now [bleep] off."

 

=)

 

 

 

The right way to approach the game, in a very simple example, would be:

 

You bet 100k to win 500k, in which case, your odds of winning should be exactly 20% to be breaking even. If your chance of winning is even only at 20.1%, you should still be betting. Then comes in the bankroll management, of course. On which you should read about in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_criterion

 

 

Cheers.

 

[/so freaking sick of the martingale system suggestions. One simple reason why casinos make money is because people like you.]

Honestly, if you fall for those scams, you gotta be either pretty stupid or just extremely naieve...

I usually give them 30-50k, they double it, and then I leave.

 

That's exactly what I do.

I've found that it often helps to feign extreme naivety so as to make the scammer believe you'll hand over more once he proves himself. Technically scamming a scammer.

 

 

Same though I've had someone in F2P run off with 500gp before. For some there is truly no hope.

 

He is in fact scamming scammer scammers, a selfless scammer protector from scamming scammers.

 

Anyway, doubling money is stupid, the scammer only win the initial amount, they should do flower game or dice game.

Think about it,

If the client offer 30k, you immediatly take it, you will get 30k.

Case 2,

If the client offer 30k, you double it 60k, you lose 30k

The client offer 60k, you double it to 120k, you lose 90k.

The client offer 120k, you double it to 240k, you lose 210k.

The clinet offer 240k, you double it to 480k, you lose 450k

The client now offers 480 and you decided take it, you still only get a profit of 30k, whats the point?

Slightly off topic, you can actually make money off playing the flower game if you do the maths right. If you guess the same colour each time and double the amount you pay to the host each time as well, you are garunteed to win assuming that you can afford to keep doing it....

 

Oh dear lord, please follow a course on statistics. You are so wrong.

 

Which I guess answers the question from the topic starter...: yes, people are that stupid.

Slightly off topic, you can actually make money off playing the flower game if you do the maths right. If you guess the same colour each time and double the amount you pay to the host each time as well, you are garunteed to win assuming that you can afford to keep doing it....

 

Oh dear lord, please follow a course on statistics. You are so wrong.

 

Which I guess answers the question from the topic starter...: yes, people are that stupid.

 

He might as well take an English/writing course when he's at it :P

Slightly off topic, you can actually make money off playing the flower game if you do the maths right. If you guess the same colour each time and double the amount you pay to the host each time as well, you are garunteed to win assuming that you can afford to keep doing it....

 

Oh dear lord, please follow a course on statistics. You are so wrong.

 

Which I guess answers the question from the topic starter...: yes, people are that stupid.

 

Statistics? Quite the opposite, if you following statistics you are always on the winning side, you are so wrong.

Never trust statisitcs, its what research papers, investment bankers or casinos used to convince you to buy craps. Well, unless if you are in your final year of university.

The problem about statistics is you can run a ridiculous high number of test trials, which in reality you are risking a ridiculous high amount of stakes for a small profit.

If anything involves me, an unbalanced trade in someone else's favor, and lots of money or expensive things, the scam alarm automatically starts beeping in my head. That's pretty much the extent of me partaking in any of these doubling money trades and "games" people bet on.

 

Also, on an interesting side note, I have never been scammed! What a coincidence!

If anything involves me, an unbalanced trade in someone else's favor, and lots of money or expensive things, the scam alarm automatically starts beeping in my head. That's pretty much the extent of me partaking in any of these doubling money trades and "games" people bet on.

 

Also, on an interesting side note, I have never been scammed! What a coincidence!

How do do.

 

 

But yeah, people's over optimism is their downfall, it's what scammers feed off of.

But yeah, people's over optimism is their downfall, it's what scammers feed off of.

 

Funny -- I thought that it was their "greed" that scammers feed off ...

 

Well. Greed and stupidity. :rolleyes:

He might as well take an English/writing course when he's at it :P

 

what, me?

 

that was like one of the few posts i capitalized and tried to put in proper punctuation and that. i think its pretty comprehensible.

 

anyways ive been out of any job/course that requires me to write punctuation for like 3/4 years now so u cant really blame me.

 

oh yeah wheres that other post were the guy was saying he was trimming and money doubling? thats what i was wondering if people actually legitimately did this, apparently they do..

 

why??

 

just give ur money to people in one trade screen :thumbsup:

 

If anything involves me, an unbalanced trade in someone else's favor, and lots of money or expensive things, the scam alarm automatically starts beeping in my head. That's pretty much the extent of me partaking in any of these doubling money trades and "games" people bet on.

 

Also, on an interesting side note, I have never been scammed! What a coincidence!

 

i hate people putting the games on the same level as scamming and money doubling, it's completely different.

 

its easy to find a legit dicegame.. join my cc :thumbsup:

 

the people that bet arnt stupid either they just want some fun, and it is pretty fun gambling. gives you an adrenaline rush, not somuch in rs tbf lol. also the people that say noone can ever win are also a bit silly, becaue plenty of people win big and end up making mils from dicing/flowergame?. thing is is that once you win big a lot of people fairly assume they can do it again, but of course, in the long run you will lose money. i had so many people added (cos they were doing regular 10m bets) and literally the next day theyd say they were cleaned and do advertising for me for 300k/h lol. but calling them stupids a bit harsh i think. theyre just unlucky, and from what i can tell, pretty young aswell.

But yeah, people's over optimism is their downfall, it's what scammers feed off of.

 

Funny -- I thought that it was their "greed" that scammers feed off ...

 

Well. Greed and stupidity. :rolleyes:

Never hear a dice host nudging someone to "try again!", claiming they had "unlucky" rolls?

 

They feed off optimism, I'm tellin' ya.

Slightly off topic, you can actually make money off playing the flower game if you do the maths right. If you guess the same colour each time and double the amount you pay to the host each time as well, you are garunteed to win assuming that you can afford to keep doing it....

 

Oh dear lord, please follow a course on statistics. You are so wrong.

 

Which I guess answers the question from the topic starter...: yes, people are that stupid.

 

Statistics? ...if you following statistics you are always on the winning side...

 

I hope you are talking about the people that host now.

But yeah, people's over optimism is their downfall, it's what scammers feed off of.

 

Funny -- I thought that it was their "greed" that scammers feed off ...

 

Well. Greed and stupidity. :rolleyes:

Never hear a dice host nudging someone to "try again!", claiming they had "unlucky" rolls?

 

They feed off optimism, I'm tellin' ya.

 

Do they use phrases like "Big money, no whammies" ... ? :rolleyes:

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But yeah, people's over optimism is their downfall, it's what scammers feed off of.

 

Funny -- I thought that it was their "greed" that scammers feed off ...

 

Well. Greed and stupidity. :rolleyes:

Never hear a dice host nudging someone to "try again!", claiming they had "unlucky" rolls?

 

They feed off optimism, I'm tellin' ya.

 

Do they use phrases like "Big money, no whammies" ... ? :rolleyes:

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i say 'encore!' lol. when most people win big they carry on betting anyway no need for encouragment. :D

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But yeah, people's over optimism is their downfall, it's what scammers feed off of.

 

Funny -- I thought that it was their "greed" that scammers feed off ...

 

Well. Greed and stupidity. :rolleyes:

Never hear a dice host nudging someone to "try again!", claiming they had "unlucky" rolls?

 

They feed off optimism, I'm tellin' ya.

 

Do they use phrases like "Big money, no whammies" ... ? :rolleyes:

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Yes (no... -shakes head- no.. never).

when most people win big they carry on betting anyway no need for encouragment. :D

This. When someone wins a good chunk off me, I don't care in the least. Not only is he going to shout and make a lot of noise about the 5m or whatever he just won, drawing in new players, but he's ALSO probably going to just come right back and gamble it away again. It's almost as good as if he had just lost his big bet in the first place as far as profit for me.

 

I'm also of the camp that thinks it's really odd for dice/flower games to be lumped in with doubling money scams. The majority of dicers/flower gamers you see are legit, because the scammers just take a big bet and log off. There's no need for game hosts to scam (unless they're doing like FLOWER GAME 100K/TRY WIN D CLAWS), because they'll ALWAYS take your money in the long run. Paying out is very much in their interest.

Statistics? ...if you following statistics you are always on the winning side...

 

I hope you are talking about the people that host now.

 

No, not really.

Source of all knowledge, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)

But statistics are unrealistic, as I have said before, you can run infinite trails as if you can spend like no tomorrow for a constant and relatively small potential profit.

 

However that doesnt mean the host will lose. You know, the wonderful thing about statistics and distributions is you can use it to prove the otherwise.

For the host, firstly you have more than 1 clients and you also take in the probability of clients exponential growth of stakes. Then run a confidence test, you will get a pretty high confidence of winning as a host.

 

If you are really into this kind of maths, I can show you the more hard core stuff.