Right, there's a thread for the flower game and dicing. What about this weird phenomenon?

 

I just witnessed a money doubler take 30m from people, and they people were suprised he didn't double?

 

I also witnessed the trust game, people actually gave someone 10m so that they could be given 12m by somebody 'quitting' RS..

 

Wait.. what..

What is wrong with some people??

 

I can understand dicing, hell I host it, same with the flower game and possibly the dungeoneering cape..

 

But what is up with these, why do people believe them?

 

Was there originally a person that doubled money for some reason because he was quitting? I mean why if people were doubling money would they not give it one screen window..

 

Seriously what is wrong with the general RuneScaper eh? Why in every single world am i flooded with doubling claims at the GE?

 

Basically is this a legitimate thing that most players abuse (like dicing) or is it, like I think, just like armour trimming. But a hundred times more stupid..

scammers gonna scam

 

noobs gonna noob

"doubling money" is ALWAYS a scam if you have to physically give them the money for them to do it.

 

When people double lower amounts of cash, it's just to try to lure people into trusting them.

If people REALLY were doubling money, they'd be willing to do it in the trade screen.

"doubling money" is ALWAYS a scam if you have to physically give them the money for them to do it.

 

When people double lower amounts of cash, it's just to try to lure people into trusting them.

If people REALLY were doubling money, they'd be willing to do it in the trade screen.

 

excactly what I figure, but why is it such a thing?! i can't understand how people can believe their money will be doubled!

 

and also how it got to be such a big thing, even when trimming armour was massive it wasn't anywhere near as bad as this.

scammers gonna scam

 

noobs gonna noob

Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

If you're relatively intelligent, you'll notice that many humans do things which just don't make any sense. At all. Like, they give money to "doublers" even though the RuneScape login message tells them not to. Applies to real life as well.

Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

 

so's dicing though, as well as lending money to a friend. [bleep] that. you should be allowed to trust trade, but doubling has no advantage whatsoever for the doubler so it's not even a trust trade it's just a dumb as fook trade.

I usually give them 30-50k, they double it, and then I leave.

Some of them are unbelievably desperate as well. I gave 5k to one on my pure just to see what would happen and he immediately logged out.......for 5k.

Some of them are unbelievably desperate as well. I gave 5k to one on my pure just to see what would happen and he immediately logged out.......for 5k.

yeah I gave one 10k at the duel arena and he did the whole "rofl scammed stupid noob" thing :L.

Well I didn't know what the trust game was so I ended up losing 40m. Yes, I was stupid. I don't necissarily regret losing 40m and I can get over it, and as they say "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." I think people should just learn the hard way if they're stupid enough to lose it.

 

There will always be people standing at the grand exchange promising to double money, doing the flower game and other stuff like that. Jagex can try to stop them but can't really succeed. This whole topic can be summed up with one sentence:

 

As long as there are stupid people, there is someone making money off stupid people.

 

i view the flower game and this completely separately. personally i don't see why people play flower game when they can dice.. but i think its a wicked part of the game and its not for stupid noobs either. everyone says that gambling with 40% odds is dumb, well what about the people that play blackjack? the house always has an advantage even if its slight, thats just the way. but the difference is is that house is constantly betting so the percentages work out, whereas the betters can easily walk away up. they usually dont. but you definately can.

Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

 

so's dicing though, as well as lending money to a friend. [bleep] that. you should be allowed to trust trade, but doubling has no advantage whatsoever for the doubler so it's not even a trust trade it's just a dumb as fook trade.

 

Somewhat off tangent, but I'd like to note that while Dicing and Flowering are trust trades, there's far less incentive to betray the trust of a customer, because the dealer wins (in the long run) either way. With Doublers, they have to scam to make a profit.

Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

 

so's dicing though, as well as lending money to a friend. [bleep] that. you should be allowed to trust trade, but doubling has no advantage whatsoever for the doubler so it's not even a trust trade it's just a dumb as fook trade.

 

Somewhat off tangent, but I'd like to note that while Dicing and Flowering are trust trades, there's far less incentive to betray the trust of a customer, because the dealer wins (in the long run) either way. With Doublers, they have to scam to make a profit.

 

lol thats what u quoted me saying but in a more comprehensive way :P

Well yes, the house does often win and I have seen many legitimate flower games and won a fair bit from them myself, but a considerable amount of flower games promising over 5x payout are scams and the host would simply log off. It's not always a scam and is quite often legitimate, but a fair few are scams which is why I mentioned it.

 

Slightly off topic, you can actually make money off playing the flower game if you do the maths right. If you guess the same colour each time and double the amount you pay to the host each time as well, you are garunteed to win assuming that you can afford to keep doing it, that they are doing 4x or more and that they actually pay out when you win. Not that I reccomend gambling all your money...

 

which is why dice game makes a lot more sense. its quick and a player quickly gains legitimacy. flower games easy to fake and takes a while. dice games nice and to the point ;)

 

if i realised someone was doing the double your bet thing on me though id refuse him bets after not very long.

 

but at the end of the day gambilings gamling, what its really for is high risk high gain single bets i reckon.40% chance is still pretty good, its better than the odds of the horses or blackjack (i think). you cant make all your money in rs from the dice game but you can still place a few bets and come out on top without a complicated exppensive system.

 

now really off topic but, is that system banned from casinos in real life? because if it's right (cant be assed to think too much but the maths sounds right to me) surely everyone in teh world would be beating the casinos.

I usually give them 30-50k, they double it, and then I leave.

 

That's exactly what I do.

I've found that it often helps to feign extreme naivety so as to make the scammer believe you'll hand over more once he proves himself. Technically scamming a scammer.

Learning the hard way, is learning the best way, from what I gather.

 

Free Trade brought back the ills of RuneScape too. Scammers, phishers, hackers, botters, rwters, you name it.

 

Doubling money is almost always a scam, and those who are legitimate are only trying to lure you into trusting them with your bank.

 

It's not very hard to dodge scammers though...

Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

 

so's dicing though, as well as lending money to a friend. [bleep] that. you should be allowed to trust trade, but doubling has no advantage whatsoever for the doubler so it's not even a trust trade it's just a dumb as fook trade.

 

Yeah, I guess I should have explained that a bit more, my bad. People are perfectly within their rights to trade whatever they want to other people, but they can't go around encouraging people they don't know to do do strings of trades with them that is purely intended to hinge on trust, and run away with the money. You can lend to friends and gamble, assuming the host pays up in the event of a win.

 

 

Also, can we just come out with it and call it 'gambling'? What is with this whole 'dicing' and 'flower game' crap?

Doubling money is a trust trade, which is against the rules. I report it every time I see it, and so should everyone.

trust trades are not against the rules

 

advertising trust trades on RSOF is against the rules, but that's it

the whole dungeoneering cape was proven to be a scam.

 

as for money doublers, i can make an easy 50k off of them every time i go to the ge :thumbup:

Also, can we just come out with it and call it 'gambling'? What is with this whole 'dicing' and 'flower game' crap?

I don't think anyone's denying it's gambling, any more than calling casino games 'poker' or 'craps' is denying that those are gambling. It's a more specific way of saying the game, whereas gambling could be any number of things, like staking.

scammers gonna scam

 

noobs gonna noob

I think that sums it up nicely, actually.

Some of them are unbelievably desperate as well. I gave 5k to one on my pure just to see what would happen and he immediately logged out.......for 5k.

 

I gave one a small random number of GPs like 1247 gps and the guy just runs away and comes back 5 minutes later

without giving my money back. :rolleyes:

"doubling money" is ALWAYS a scam if you have to physically give them the money for them to do it.

 

When people double lower amounts of cash, it's just to try to lure people into trusting them.

If people REALLY were doubling money, they'd be willing to do it in the trade screen.

I've actually had a really stupid doubler double my cash in one screen, if you can call him that...

 

I guess he figured after his cash stack shrunk that he was doing it wrong...

I noticed a new scam:

 

"Selling Tasset 2M"

 

"Hey are you really selling for 2m?"

 

"Yes, i give to friend...and.."

 

"Me: Right scammer. See ya"