ISREAL63 Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 First off i like out of many things i said you only replied to 2 of them what you can't reply on the others? Fact 1: The Gaza Strip is an armed camp, ruled with an iron fist by a repressive Hamas regime that has not only repeatedly pledged itself to the annihilation of Israel and the torpedoing of any prospects for Middle East peace, but has made good on its pledges by firing approximately 10,000 missiles, rockets, and mortar bombs at Israeli civilians over the past several years for the express purpose of killing or wounding those civilians or, at a minimum, terrifying them. Palestinians want to live peacefully, the blockade on their city prevents them from doing so. They fight because they want freedom from the tyranny of the Israeli blockade. If they really want peace how those firing rockets at Israel's civilian promote peace? You seem to always avoid admitting that they do fire rockets at Israel civilians. Or how about the murder of a teenager on the way back from school but died at the hand of terrorism. Those this sound like they really want peace? For peace to be had first they need to get back their lands that were taken away from them. 2005 They got the Gaza strip back are do you want to leave that fact out. So why can't the Palestinians make peace now? All they have done with it is not live peacefully but they have used it as a terrorist base to attack Israel It looks to me like it was planned, sound like peaceful activists to me.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSSaPT_OU&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkXDev2wXVA&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I6XL2pzguE&feature=player_embeddedSlingshots, pipes and knives. Do you seriously believe they were planning an attack on the IDF with that? Yes i do why else would they prepare them before getting boarded? Couldn't help noticing that for the second or perhaps even third time on this thread you've conveniently ignored my question. It's fine, really - if you want spend your life wearing rose tinted glasses don't be amazed when others see the world in technicolour. I am sorry i didn't see it, you posted that while i was writing my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Just a quick warning to keep the spam off the topic (that includes irrelevant pictures and music videos). "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Activists have slingshots, pipes for construction and knives for cooking. Activists are in international waters, they have not yet attempted to move through the blockade. IDF boards the floatila. IDF kills nine activists including one American. Isreal63 is arguing that it is justified. I think if we strip the incident to the bare facts it is clear that it is not. Just another example of Israeli overagression. Like we see time and time again. And Isreal63, you avoided most of my arguments. You use the logical fallacy of a strawman. It's okay though. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napalm Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 First off i like out of many things i said you only replied to 2 of them what you can't reply on the others? 2005 They got the Gaza strip back are do you want to leave that fact out. So why can't the Palestinians make peace now? All they have done with it is not live peacefully but they have used it as a terrorist base to attack Israel Yes i do why else would they prepare them before getting boarded? I only replied to two of those because in all honesty, I don't feel like it's worth it spending that much time on a discussion with someone who has been proven wrong for 11 pages now. Obviosuly, giving them the Gaza strip is not going to solve antything, because it is only a small part of what is rightfully theirs. As for the so called weapons, they prepared them when they saw they were going to be boarded by armed and trained men. It seems only natural to want to have something to defend yourself with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomrombom Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 Doesn't seem like anyone's been proven wrong yet. It's more a difference of opinion that doesn't seem to be willing to change. PM me for fitocracy invite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gabe Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Like the Irish Republicans, I cannot respect such actions, whether they issued warnings before carrying them out or not. Then please suggest a way to accomplish the objectives set without harming citizens? Ask Martin Luther King or Ghandi. Ask them for me. Ghandi the great man of peace rejects zionism http://www.twf.org/News/Y2001/0815-GandhiZionism.html Martin Luther King showed by his actions that he would have rejected violent means to achieve an end. Except that Ghandi's philosophy was unity, in which it failed. And for MLK, I would have liked to see him use non violence against extremest. Three months banishment to 9gag is something i would never wish upon anybody, not even my worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirageOfDeath Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Egypt-Gaza border opened, surely that's a good thing for all parties involved no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Obvious flamebait is obvious, but also good news is good. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gabe Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Bad choice for Egypt. Dislike. Three months banishment to 9gag is something i would never wish upon anybody, not even my worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Morally correct choice for Egypt. Like. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISREAL63 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Activists have slingshots, pipes for construction and knives for cooking. Activists are in international waters, they have not yet attempted to move through the blockade. IDF boards the floatila. IDF kills nine activists including one American. The only reason you would have a sling shot is to fight. Pipes Hamas use to fire rockets and mortars at Israeli towns and cites that is why israel doesn't allow them in. Just because they didn't make their move yet doesn't hide their intent, they openly said they would break the Naval Blockade that is used to stop weapons from reaching the hands of Terrorist. That gives Israel the right to defend Themselves they just stoped them before they got to the blockade. The Israeli commandos came down on a rope of a helicopter even before reaching the deck they were attacked with pipes and weapons, so they responded in self defense.a video of The "peace activist" starting the fight.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo Obviosuly, giving them the Gaza strip is not going to solve antything, because it is only a small part of what is rightfully theirs. As for the so called weapons, they prepared them when they saw they were going to be boarded by armed and trained men. It seems only natural to want to have something to defend yourself with. Gaza strip was given to start the peace, so how those that not solve anything? Simple it was a start but the Palestinians terrorist group Hamas instead uses it to terrorize Israel. So why can't they just leave peacefully and they will receive more land. Why should The Jewish State have to give more land, first let them show what us what they do with the Gaza strip. The deal is land for peace not land for more land. Here is a video of israel warning them saying the supplies will go to Gaza via ashdod. It is not normal to attack soliders when they are stopping you from doing something illegal .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOmLP4yHb4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Oh, of course. As an Israeli you oppose an open borders agreement because you're concerned about Egypt. I'm blown away by your selfless act of concern. :rolleyes: | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISREAL63 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Oh, of course. As an Israeli you oppose an open borders agreement because you're concerned about Egypt. I'm blown away by your selfless act of concern. :rolleyes: The concern is that they will use it to sneak in weapons to use on Israeli seems like a fair concern, seeing as they have fired thousands of rocket and Mortars each year at Israeli civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Maybe with more fighters and weapons they can force the Israelis into a fair peace agreement. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISREAL63 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Maybe with more fighters and weapons they can force the Israelis into a fair peace agreement. Fighter? You mean terrorist. So giving the Gaza strip wasn't fair? for Israel it isn't fair the only thing they got of it is tho sands of rocket and mortar fired at Israeli citizens every year and many other terrorist attacks sound like a very fair doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTanT Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 And for MLK, I would have liked to see him use non violence against extremest. KKK =/= extremist? The only difference between Hitler and the man next door who comes home and beats his kids every day is circumstance. The intent is the same-- to harm others.[hide=Tifers say the darndest things]I told her there was a secret method to doing it - and there is - but my once nimble and agile fingers were unable to perform because I was under the influence.I would laugh, not hate. I'm a male. :(Since when was Ireland an island...? :wall:I actually have a hobby of licking public toilet seats.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millard Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I Feel sorry for the American tax payer in all this. More or less they've funded the Israeli Defense Forces. Also, I think it's hilarious, the British Government more or less caused the storm yet they couldn't give a crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gabe Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 And for MLK, I would have liked to see him use non violence against extremest. KKK =/= extremist? By the time of the civil rights movement, the KKK was not very active and only had a few incidents relating to them reported. So my statement still stands. Three months banishment to 9gag is something i would never wish upon anybody, not even my worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomrombom Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 The thing I don't get is how anyone can think it is okay for the Jews to have invaded Palestine. Yes, they were kicked out a couple thousand years ago. That doesn't give them the right to kick out or attack anyone who is living there. PM me for fitocracy invite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISREAL63 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 The thing I don't get is how anyone can think it is okay for the Jews to have invaded Palestine. Yes, they were kicked out a couple thousand years ago. That doesn't give them the right to kick out or attack anyone who is living there. To start off Palestine never existed. Israel didn't invade anybody they fought for their lives in 1947-1948 and again in 1967 when it Enemy were at its borders with blood in their eyes. Israel fought and won its enemy's taking spoils of war with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I Feel sorry for the American tax payer in all this. More or less they've funded the Israeli Defense Forces. Also, I think it's hilarious, the British Government more or less caused the storm yet they couldn't give a crap. I agree. At then end of the day this whole mess was caused by the guilt the western powers felt for the Jews after WWII, especially the British after they debacle of Chamberlains appeasement. It has been perpetuated though by the extremely strong and influential Jewish lobbying groups in America. That's why only second term presidents are in positions to actually criticize Israel and even then it's risky for them to do so. A bit off topic but one of the better things IMO about the Libertarians is how cutting aid to Israel is part of their platform. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nifflin Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 The thing I don't get is how anyone can think it is okay for the Jews to have invaded Palestine. Yes, they were kicked out a couple thousand years ago. That doesn't give them the right to kick out or attack anyone who is living there. To start off Palestine never existed. Israel didn't invade anybody they fought for their lives in 1947-1948 and again in 1967 when it Enemy were at its borders with blood in their eyes. Israel fought and won its enemy's taking spoils of war with them. The term Palestine was first used by Herodotus in "Histories" about 420BC when describing the Middle East. Ironically he didn't mention any sort of Jewish state. In fact the Jewish state is only mentioned in the Jews own writings. Edit: Herodotus is considered accurate becuase he described Egyptian history very well if you cross reference his texts with Egyptian texts. This gives him credibility. Also, there are no references to Judea and Samaria so they clearly belong to a much later era - and the tale of David may be consigned to mythology at least by many scholars as there is little to no reference to it outside Jewish texts. Edit2: The term Philistine, which is closer to the Arabic pronunciation is also used in the Bible. I just don't consider the Bible to be a very good historic source. PM me in game anytime It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet. That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomrombom Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 The thing I don't get is how anyone can think it is okay for the Jews to have invaded Palestine. Yes, they were kicked out a couple thousand years ago. That doesn't give them the right to kick out or attack anyone who is living there. To start off Palestine never existed. Israel didn't invade anybody they fought for their lives in 1947-1948 and again in 1967 when it Enemy were at its borders with blood in their eyes. Israel fought and won its enemy's taking spoils of war with them. So there was nobody there when the Jews entered the area known as Palestine/Israel? They didn't displace anyone? PM me for fitocracy invite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 There were no Palestinians there but you fought them off anyway. Yeah, that works. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gabe Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 The thing I don't get is how anyone can think it is okay for the Jews to have invaded Palestine. Yes, they were kicked out a couple thousand years ago. That doesn't give them the right to kick out or attack anyone who is living there. To start off Palestine never existed. Israel didn't invade anybody they fought for their lives in 1947-1948 and again in 1967 when it Enemy were at its borders with blood in their eyes. Israel fought and won its enemy's taking spoils of war with them. So there was nobody there when the Jews entered the area known as Palestine/Israel? They didn't displace anyone? Nobody forced anyone to do anything. Three months banishment to 9gag is something i would never wish upon anybody, not even my worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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