Q

[Quyneax]

2600 chomps, 107 ff medals, rolled another tiger with slayer (woo).

[Ezkaton]

What's the bestest way to do Dom Tower? (Especially journals). That might be the next comp req (desert tasks - sunfreet is only one I need to do a lot for) I go for leaving Livid and MTA then to finish comp!

I did it not too long ago. Did endurance floors to 100k dominion factors then looted chest and repeated. Didn't take too long at all. Just make sure you have everything you need, namely runes for dagannoth mothers.

 

Yeah made the mistake of not pre-paring properly for some things. Gave up on Endurance and Climber after about 2 hours of no Pages.

 

Nomad and Easy Sunfreet done... Gona try and do more tomorrow.

 

 

Oh and Evil Chickens 15 - Ezkaton 0. Seriously impossible to do atm. Even getting them in a line or whatever. I chewed through ~200 Rocktails, and have tried both Range and Melee. May try Barraging them tomorrow. Might teach them. But then again idk if that'll work. I EVEN USED RANGED ABILITIES - and still couldn't out DPS them.

[Hedgehog]

I barraged them and it was afkable

[Quyneax]

Got rank 2 esteem, 2900 chomps, standard tacklebox.

 

Edit: 3000 chomps.

Editedit: 3100 chomps.

[Quyneax]

3200 chomps.

 

Finished 4th on both my daily ff games (46 pts), +8 medals. Yay :).

[Quyneax]

Assuming this gets implemented, with basics replaced by autoattacks and defaulting to 100% adrenaline, Zilyana should have about this AI.

 

Zilyana attacks every 4 ticks and has a shield, t75 stats/equipment/weapon/food/potions (incl. brews), all prayers (not curses) available.

 

When players enter the room, activate Piety and Smite, drink a super set and engage.

 

A key part of the AI is that Zilyana rates players and herself according to strength. Strength is determined by:

• Currently visible and seen-before equipment.
  
• Visible prayers, including leech effects.
  
• Combat level, apparent stats, stat drains.
  
• Damage dealt.
  
• Damage taken.
  
• Damage healed, estimated food left (incl. familiar).
  
• Damage prevented.
  
• Current health.
  
• Currently active abilities.

Basically anything that a player could know.

 

So Zilyana rates herself 'strong' if she is at good health/prayer/stats/fatigue, has enough food and prayer restore left, she's avoided a good percentage of the damage, dealt a good amount of damage, if applicable currently has an ability effective (she's stronger with Resonance active, for example). Obviously damage healed and food left work against eachother, so apart from the 'current health' increase, eating would reduce strength, while healing with Resonance improves strength as it's renewable.

 

Zilyana rates players as 'strong' if they have those things, and if they are in teams, and if Provoke is active she'd rate the people who are protected by it as much stronger.

 

Every tick, all possible actions are rated according to the largest (expected) increase in her own strength and the largest (expected) decrease in the opponent's strength - the gap needs to be as big as possible*. Possible actions include switching prayers, eating, using an ability (melee, mage, defence), moving and restoring prayer. More than one tick ahead is simulated, for example she could deduce that the player is able to use Backhand next tick (they used it before, the cooldown has ended), so it would be a larger expected improvement to use Anticipation > Assault than just plain Assault. Simulations can only take into account things that players could know, though, mostly visible and apparent things, but also the non-visible things that killed most Zilyanas before (ex. if the best method requires a shield switch, Zilyana will start assuming a shield after hundreds of kills, even if it's not visible).

 

To go back to the Provoke example: Attacking the protected prayers would do less damage, so it would reduce the total opposing strength less, unless it would kill a target.

 

If there are no players in the room, Zilyana uses the altar to restore prayer, heals with food, recieves more food and potions from outside the boss room (say 1 item per tick) and rests otherwise.

 

*I'm not sure whether this should be entirely absolute or partially percent-based. Absolute seems fine though.

 

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Essentially the AI depends on two things: A good way to rate strength, and a good way to simulate actions. If Zilyana can find the optimal way to fight about 20 seconds ahead, players could even learn things from her.

[Aiel]

I EVEN USED RANGED ABILITIES

USED RANGED ABILITIES

USED ABILITIES

ezk using abilities...is this real life?

[Saradomin_Mage]

he still died tho

[Aiel]

well it is still Ezkaton :P

[Quyneax]

Two Vorago deaths today, one on phase 4 (fire of course), one as last person standing on phase 5. I have to say, he's a lot more fun than descriptions make him sound.

 

Also 3300 chomps, 151 medals.

[Wild Eyes]

good luck with getting that comp cape ;D

also good luck with your drops on Vorago (:

[Quyneax]

Thanks :).

 

Slowed down a bit now, especially on chomps, but hit 183 medals. A lot to go, but this is a nice req anyway. Waiting on Diviniation now...

[cowmaster187]

how are yo so dang awesome?

 

~~~legoman187~~~

[Jeff Delu]

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Vulnerability

wtf that is op

[Quyneax]

I bet it doesn't work on bosses... but yeah that's OP. Might be worth it at Vorago, lol.

[Thai_tong]

http://runescape.wik...i/Vulnerability

wtf that is op

Haha never expected one of those curse spells to be worth anything. If you use 1 attack turn to cast it then I suppose it would be useful on anything that lasts more than 10 hits. Edit: the spell is in dg but you can't make soul runes ;-;

[Quyneax]

Lol what, reason to bind souls??? Or loot them if you were already maging, I guess. Hell it might even stack stupidly on Gulega, lol.

 

200 medals & 3500 chomps get :).

Edit: 3600 chomps.

[Bxpprod]

325270 Ranged XP

84309 Magic xp

 

6% Avatar

Sharpshooter T1

Cruelty Scrimshaw

Using Anguish the entire time, Ahrims book as OH

 

Samplesizeetcetcetc

 

L Got a second effigy 5 minutes after post. buying another 5 minutes after this edit

 

 

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82,611 Magic and 316,010 Ranged w/3% avatar, which is effectively the same rate as above w/6% avatar. In 18 hours of training I'll call it properly but at the moment it seems to be 307k Range and 80k Magic (with Sharpshooter and Cruelty). Much better to be at Daggs thus far.

[Jeff Delu]

I saw someone using it whilst solo maging nex on livestream. I'm 90% sure it was working exactly as it says it does.

 

Edit: just went duo nex and the tanker kept vuln active throughout the kill, it works on nex, and it increases the damage ALL players deal to the target just as the description implies.

[Fallstar]

Mfw people (or at least I) didn't know about this nearly 9 months after eoc.

[Saradomin_Mage]

also makes me wonder how people figured out that entangle worked good on the kk

 

 

playing with asc bows: 963mh 481oh

wanted to test unload because the description implies that it's garbage (110% base, 10% stronger with each consecutive hit)

 

rapid 1367-1396 94%-96%

rico 1462-1480 101%-102%

stun 1512 104%

needle 1747-1810 120%-125%

piercing 1820-1861 126%-128%

piercing stun 2272-2364 157%-163%

 

bombard 3199 3270 221%-226%

 

 

unload

1st hit 2704 187%

2nd hit 2933-3069 203%-212%

4th hit 3584-3611 248%-250%

 

crits : 100%-105% ability damage

 

couldn't get a 3rd hit crit on unload

[Quyneax]

So you'd expect it to be 188% damage like Destroy/Sever etc., but every two ticks and getting stronger all the time? That's pretty good. Wonder why the description is so much worse...

 

I saw someone using it whilst solo maging nex on livestream. I'm 90% sure it was working exactly as it says it does.

 

Edit: just went duo nex and the tanker kept vuln active throughout the kill, it works on nex, and it increases the damage ALL players deal to the target just as the description implies.

That's awesome, brb pro Vorago team, Vulnerability + Heal all (lol). If there's still people who tank missiles on stage 5, they should cast Vulnerability!

 

Mfw people (or at least I) didn't know about this nearly 9 months after eoc.

Ikr :S. Wonder what else we're missing out on.

 

Edit: +8 medals, first and second place in today's games.

 

Edit2: +2 SW wins, woo. Probably at 35ish now.

[Saradomin_Mage]

Just for fun (or if you'd like to calculate it :P), what level do you think the Kalphite King and Vorago would have been pre-EoC?

 

The Ascension Dungeon grunts and the Legiones?

 

etc.

[Quyneax]

KK

240k lp (2400 hp levels)

85 attack, def, str

2400 * .25 + 85 * .25 = 621.25 base levels.

Add 55.25 levels from attack and strength.

Combat evel: 676

 

Vorago

250k lp (2500 hp levels)

90 attack, def, str

2500 * .25 + 90 * .25 = 647.5 base levels.

Add 51.75 levels from attack and strength.

Combat level: 699

 

Normally you'd calculate strenght by melee max (like with corp, Zilyana). The KK's the melee max hit is 2560 according to tip.it, which suggests 256 pre-eoc, but idk if that works at all. I don't know Vorago's max hit.

 

Assuming the KK has accuracy comparable to level 85 weapons, a max hit of 256, without any equipment bonusus, then in 'old money' he's got a strength level of 243 and an attack level a good bit higher. There was no level 85 equipment pre-EoC, but assuming it's about 160 attack bonus for all gear, you get a 3.5x multiplier on attack level, so level 85 + pot + pray + 8, which works out to some 130, 130*3.5 = 455. Doing the same thing for defence, assuming about 600 def roll, you have 600 def levels.

 

So, giving the KK 250 strength, 600 defence and 450 attack (for the sake of round numbers), you end up at 227.5 + 150 + 600 = 977 combat. Knowing Jagex, they would've made the KK 1002 combat at least though.

 

For Vorago, the max hit isn't known to me, but I'd say he'd be 1003 combat by the same reasoning.

[Quasar]

I've been using vulnerability as a Nex tank for ages. Then when I can't go my teams go with other tanks and have no idea why kills take longer!