Jagex has a right not to mention the video publicly. But actually censoring the subject after it is mentioned is way too far. There is a difference between deleting spam vs censoring an entire subject, especially one of criticism, the latter is done only by communist regimes around the world.

Ie. You can go find many Microsoft bashing threads in Microsoft forums or anti Obama comments on the white house site.

 

No, it has nothing to do with actual content as much as just following their general policy against bringing attention to specific players. Obviously that policy didn't work, but it's not like they were trying to censor it because they didn't want people to watch the video.

 

Ex. When i used to browse the RsOF people used to bring up threads specifically talking about Zezima, those got deleted because they didn't want to bring discussion about specific people because of privacy concerns or w/e (whether you think this policy is silly or not is irrelevant to my point), the same with jiblix.

 

TBH it's not like the video showed anything 99% of all members RS players knew about anyway, jagex couldn't care less if people saw it or not, they just don't want the video to be associated with them in anyway, hence the demodding of someone who still represents jagex.

 

He tried to convince people not to vote for jagex in the golden joysticks, which to jagex anyway, means a lot. That's directly hurting their reputation.

 

@pal

 

I also don't see how hiding threads about the demodding is considered destroying free speech, companies never want to start any drama when someone gets fired and it's really not suppose to be anyone else's business anyway.

 

It would be the same if say a famous player got banned for macroing or glitching, it's has nothing to do with whether it makes jagex looks bad.

 

I don't have any problem with the video on youtube and i probably agree with it and think it has every right to be there, but it shouldn't exactly be expected for jiblix to still represent jagex after making it. I don't see why it's unreasonable for pmods, people who voluntarily work for jagex without getting paid and could leave at any time, to have to support to company. It's not like jagex is actually forcing them to be pmods/will ban them from the game if they're not loyal.

 

It's been established before that there is, indeed, a difference between "They don't deserve to win this year" and "Don't vote for Jagex". Even if you could twist this into a defamation case, then it'd have to be dismissed since what was shown was nothing outside of fact.

 

The issue of "free speech" is a non-issue when it comes to privately-owned forums. Companies have a right to decide which speech gets shown, and which doesn't. However, that only goes as far as the company's own slice of the Internet; anything outside of that is typically considered protected under the free speech clause. I also disagree in that it'd "be the same" as a famous player being banned, as this issue is a lot more hot-button than the whole Duke Freedom fiasco, as a for-instance.

 

I don't know about the "forcing PMods to be loyal" statement - it certainly felt that way a while ago. It probably feels like that even more so. I mean, if you're not supporting Jagex, then you're basically a waste of space to them.

 

There are plenty of other players who make videos saying like, exactly the same thing. It's not like they ban anyone who hates their company, or are against people complaining about jagex. I'm pretty sure i could make an RSOF thread complaining about bots and saying they don't deserve to win the golden joystick award and i wouldn't get banned or thread deleted. It would maybe ruin ur chance for a pmod position but that's about it.

Justified or not, it was a retarded move from both a PR perspective and a legal perspective.

 

From this incident and the MMG post, I conclude that my previous "Jagex is incompetent XOR malicious" is a false dichotomy.

I notice the video is still up on youtube and they haven't removed it yet, so i don't exactly see how you can say jagex is trying crush free speech lol.

 

Demodding =/= silencing.

You must have not been on RSOF when news of this first broke- there were hidden threads EVERYWHERE. If you don't think so, go make a jiblix thread on RSOF even now discussing the demodding and see what happens.

 

Jagex has no legal right to remove that video - yes it has game foottage - but it is WAY on the side of "fair use" of US copyright law. It is a obviously a commentary. If it comes to an actual copyright fight, Jagex will not win.

 

Your thinking and logic is horribly warped; probably beyond repair.

 

A users account status on RuneScape is no-one elses business. It's entirely between them and Jagex. That applies on the forums. You can't bring up another players name on the forum, it's not allowed. It's breaking rules. Especially not their account status, or post topics that are irrelevant to the board you are posting them. Forum Moderators would have been the main ones actioning those threads, removing the spam, clutter and useless ideas of sheep flocking to the forums. Go make a thread right now, and yes, watch as your content is hidden because IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS. What don't you get? LOL! It's like dealing with a child.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread before but I thought I would register just to post this, but Jiblix is lying when he says "I never told anybody to vote for or against Jagex in the Golden Joystick Awards" because I remember watching a video of him telling his subscribers not to vote for Jagex, obviously that video has been removed now, but I was going through my liked videos after reading this thread and found the video, I can't watch it but it's still there for some reason.

 

 

I know I could get a lot of hate for this, I agree that Jagex don't deserve to win, but when it comes down to him getting de-modded I think that's a valid reason if he's telling people not to vote for jagex.

Actually, that's exactly right. He certainly didn't tell any to vote *for* them and he didn't tell them to vote *against* them. He said don't *vote for* them. Pedantic I know. :P

@newb

Honestly, if you likes rules and following rules that much, go move go china or north Korea. I was brought up with values of challenging the rules and do the right thing instead blindly following authority. If jagex actually enforced their own rules on cheating, none of us would give a damn. They did not enforce their own rules and their tos to us - and then punishes people for speaking out. That, is the sign of a immoral company.

You can speak out if you wish, just don't do it when you're representing the people you're speaking out against. Who cares if it's voluntary, it's still a position which has you in their light. Do not expect there to be no consequences. This isn't an authority, this isn't real life. This is a game and you're not being forced to do anything. You're not being forced to play it. You're not being forced to go by their rules, but you will be dealt with if you go against them. No-one's holding a knife to your throat forcing you to play. The sooner you realise that, the better. You seem to despise the game, stop playing. "Fighting" the fight isn't going to get you anywhere, give up the act and "Challenge" something in life that's worth challenging, if that's how you were raised.

Maybe I should put this in my sig, but I def don't play anymore. I speak out just for the sake of the game, and taking this on as a cause and whatnot.

 

Do you realize that there is no rule for criticizing jagex but there are very clear rules against cheating? I really doubt even the pmods have to sign away their rights to criticism either.

Ofc jagex has their right to demod jiblix - but that doesn't mean they're not quite frankly a jackass company to do so.

Maybe I should put this in my sig, but I def don't play anymore. I speak out just for the sake of the game, and taking this on as a cause and whatnot.

 

Do you realize that there is no rule for criticizing jagex but there are very clear rules against cheating? I really doubt even the pmods have to sign away their rights to criticism either.

Ofc jagex has their right to demod jiblix - but that doesn't mean they're not quite frankly a jackass company to do so.

 

Oh, so they shouldn't have done it for fear of being viewed as a Jackass company, because it's immoral in your mind? Are you serious?

 

You've no idea about the ins and outs of Moderators.

ofc idk the ins and outs about mods. Why does that even matter?

 

I am glad that not all mods sign away their rights and beliefs become 100% jagexfanboybot when they become a mod.

ofc idk the ins and outs about mods. Why does that even matter?

 

I am glad that not all mods sign away their rights and beliefs become 100% jagexfanboybot when they become a mod.

 

They get picked because they are supposedly jagex fanboys, not turned into jagex fanboys because they were picked. I don't see what's wrong with demodding someone who doesn't like the company the work volunteer for, especially when it's one of the reasons they were picked for the position.

ofc idk the ins and outs about mods. Why does that even matter?

 

I am glad that not all mods sign away their rights and beliefs become 100% jagexfanboybot when they become a mod.

 

They get picked because they are supposedly jagex fanboys, not turned into jagex fanboys because they were picked. I don't see what's wrong with demodding someone who doesn't like the company the work volunteer for, especially when it's one of the reasons they were picked for the position.

 

It's not difficult to follow rules and be respectful in-game, Trollz.

This all reminds me of a little story of my childhood.

 

I was a mildly troubled child. Shocker I know, but let's move on. Anyway, in fifth grade I had some issues with my teacher. I thought she was terrible and should go back to teaching 1st grade like she did the year before. And the year after I may add. Anyway, one night my family went to Burger King. My school was having some event there and I honestly didn't know it was going on.

 

Well, I'm eating by myself while my younger brother and the principal of the school came up. He said he didn't want any problems with me and anything I did there he could punish me at school over.

 

My reply I remember very well, but this is as close as I can get to verbatim: "No, it can't. This is a Burger King. You're the principal at Rio Vista. Here you're just a guy and you have no power over what I do here. Now leave me alone and let me eat my fries in peace."

 

Basically, Runescape is the school, Jagex is the principal, Burger King is Youtube, and Jiblix is me. What I did there and what he did at YT has should have no bearing on what happens at another location.

 

 

Basically, Runescape is the school Jagex is the principal, Burger King is Youtube, and Jiblix is me. What I did there and what he he at YT has should have no bearing on what happens at another location.

 

If you're part of your schools staff and post a video on Youtube, criticizing your school, I'm pretty sure it would cause trouble with your workplace, be it voluntary or not.

 

Let's just say the film was about how 90% of the students are on crack and nobody is doing diddly-squat about it.

 

 

Basically, Runescape is the school Jagex is the principal, Burger King is Youtube, and Jiblix is me. What I did there and what he he at YT has should have no bearing on what happens at another location.

 

If you're part of your schools staff and post a video on Youtube, criticizing your school, I'm pretty sure it would cause trouble with your workplace, be it voluntary or not.

 

Let's just say the film was about how 90% of the students are on crack and nobody is doing diddly-squat about it.

 

It would depend on how far you went in the video. Jiblix didn't exactly go very far and say anything over the top. He let the game speak for itself.

Maybe I should put this in my sig, but I def don't play anymore. I speak out just for the sake of the game, and taking this on as a cause and whatnot.

 

Do you realize that there is no rule for criticizing jagex but there are very clear rules against cheating? I really doubt even the pmods have to sign away their rights to criticism either.

Ofc jagex has their right to demod jiblix - but that doesn't mean they're not quite frankly a jackass company to do so.

 

Oh, so they shouldn't have done it for fear of being viewed as a Jackass company, because it's immoral in your mind? Are you serious?

 

You've no idea about the ins and outs of Moderators.

 

There isn't a written rule about criticizing Jagex. There's an unwritten rule about it, sure - but written? It's one of those grey areas that could go either way.

 

It doesn't look good when someone that you put in a position of authority - no matter how small - makes you look bad. But against the rules? Hardly. The game may have changed since I left the team back in May, but making volunteers sign away their right to rant about a part of the game they don't like is so pedantic, I can't even fathom the thought.

 

 

Basically, Runescape is the school Jagex is the principal, Burger King is Youtube, and Jiblix is me. What I did there and what he he at YT has should have no bearing on what happens at another location.

 

If you're part of your schools staff and post a video on Youtube, criticizing your school, I'm pretty sure it would cause trouble with your workplace, be it voluntary or not.

 

Let's just say the film was about how 90% of the students are on crack and nobody is doing diddly-squat about it.

 

This is where it gets messy, because you're shoehorning something voluntary like a PMod into a role that you get salary for.

 

In the case of an employee showing footage of how bad their workplace is, it could be interpreted in any manner of ways - one way would be defamation, the other could be corporate espionage (if it showed anything sensitive), or it could be trespassing (if you didn't have clearance to be in the area you filmed). It's not considered defamation of character if any of the statements are based in fact, and retaliating against an employee, while legal, is frowned upon and results in damages.

 

Volunteers can't enjoy similar provisions. If you retaliate against a volunteer, it makes you look like a jackass, but you're not breaking any law. I think that's the situation here, as Jagex was well within their provision to demod Jiblix. But that doesn't make them look any better.

Maybe I should put this in my sig, but I def don't play anymore. I speak out just for the sake of the game, and taking this on as a cause and whatnot.

 

Do you realize that there is no rule for criticizing jagex but there are very clear rules against cheating? I really doubt even the pmods have to sign away their rights to criticism either.

Ofc jagex has their right to demod jiblix - but that doesn't mean they're not quite frankly a jackass company to do so.

 

Oh, so they shouldn't have done it for fear of being viewed as a Jackass company, because it's immoral in your mind? Are you serious?

 

You've no idea about the ins and outs of Moderators.

 

There isn't a written rule about criticizing Jagex. There's an unwritten rule about it, sure - but written? It's one of those grey areas that could go either way.

 

It doesn't look good when someone that you put in a position of authority - no matter how small - makes you look bad. But against the rules? Hardly. The game may have changed since I left the team back in May, but making volunteers sign away their right to rant about a part of the game they don't like is so pedantic, I can't even fathom the thought.

 

 

Basically, Runescape is the school Jagex is the principal, Burger King is Youtube, and Jiblix is me. What I did there and what he he at YT has should have no bearing on what happens at another location.

 

If you're part of your schools staff and post a video on Youtube, criticizing your school, I'm pretty sure it would cause trouble with your workplace, be it voluntary or not.

 

Let's just say the film was about how 90% of the students are on crack and nobody is doing diddly-squat about it.

 

This is where it gets messy, because you're shoehorning something voluntary like a PMod into a role that you get salary for.

 

In the case of an employee showing footage of how bad their workplace is, it could be interpreted in any manner of ways - one way would be defamation, the other could be corporate espionage (if it showed anything sensitive), or it could be trespassing (if you didn't have clearance to be in the area you filmed). It's not considered defamation of character if any of the statements are based in fact, and retaliating against an employee, while legal, is frowned upon and results in damages.

 

Volunteers can't enjoy similar provisions. If you retaliate against a volunteer, it makes you look like a jackass, but you're not breaking any law. I think that's the situation here, as Jagex was well within their provision to demod Jiblix. But that doesn't make them look any better.

 

yeah, but kind of dumb. He didn't say anything everyone didn't know. They just made an example out of him.

 

Jiblix: Blowing the whistle on stuff everyone already knew about. :thumbup:

guys, this is plain and simple! Jiblix, as nice of a guy as he is, a respected member amongst the RS community, I'm sure a dear friend to many Jagex employees (PEOPLE WHO WORK AT JAGEX), shined a negative light on Runescape. It doesn't matter if he is the holy father himself, it doesn't matter if he helped create Rs, it doesn't matter if he builds wells in ethiopa so under privileged children can have fresh drinking water. The fact of the matter is, Jiblix, a respected member of the Rs community, appointed by Jagex to moderate their forums, giving him a few extra feet so he stands above the rest of the community, said something bad about RS. He was punished, plain and simple. Made an example of and let it be a lesson. Jagex is a multimillion dollar company and if they can help looking bad in any way whatsoever they will.

Don't get me wrong. The current situation in-game for F2P is deplorable and it's a shame that there seems to be little public action being taken. As a champion of the community, why didn't Jiblix report it via the proper channels? Players are told that mods have their own private forums, where these types of issues can be raised. Did Jiblix do this at all?

 

How could he justly keep the crown, when he responded with "I didn't bother" to one comment about whether or not he reported the bots he recorded? If he wasn't prepared to report them, why film them?

 

Looks like Jiblix's bang is ending with a whimper.

Don't get me wrong. The current situation in-game for F2P is deplorable and it's a shame that there seems to be little public action being taken. As a champion of the community, why didn't Jiblix report it via the proper channels? Players are told that mods have their own private forums, where these types of issues can be raised. Did Jiblix do this at all?

 

How could he justly keep the crown, when he responded with "I didn't bother" to one comment about whether or not he reported the bots he recorded? If he wasn't prepared to report them, why film them?

 

Looks like Jiblix's bang is ending with a whimper.

 

Mods do have their own forums to post in but I honestly found talking about anything controversial in those forums to be useless. It usually ends up in ridiculous arguments and fights between other mods/mentors then a J-Mod usually locks it up. There is more merit to writing up a thread and having it being discussed publicly with the community to get everyone's input.

 

I didn't bother reporting any of the bots because it is an ineffective means of dealing with the actual problem. There were times where I would go on those bot busts with J-Mods and other P-Mods and report bots, but what's the point when they come back just as instantly as they get removed? I filmed them not because they weren't aware (everyone is aware it's a problem) but to show the extent of damage that bringing back FT/W had on their players.

giving him a few extra feet so he stands above the rest of the community

But that's not true. Maybe it is your percieved view on the matter, but the fact is that mods and regular players have the exact same rules to follow. Mods aren't "above the rest of the community".

giving him a few extra feet so he stands above the rest of the community

But that's not true. Maybe it is your percieved view on the matter, but the fact is that mods and regular players have the exact same rules to follow. Mods aren't "above the rest of the community".

 

This is very true also taking into account that Mods must spend their playing time to fulfill their mod duties. And because they're mods, they're expected to not openly criticize anything Jagex does. In fact, they're more regimented and restricted than the average player.

Don't get me wrong. The current situation in-game for F2P is deplorable and it's a shame that there seems to be little public action being taken. As a champion of the community, why didn't Jiblix report it via the proper channels? Players are told that mods have their own private forums, where these types of issues can be raised. Did Jiblix do this at all?

 

How could he justly keep the crown, when he responded with "I didn't bother" to one comment about whether or not he reported the bots he recorded? If he wasn't prepared to report them, why film them?

 

Looks like Jiblix's bang is ending with a whimper.

 

Mods do have their own forums to post in but I honestly found talking about anything controversial in those forums to be useless. It usually ends up in ridiculous arguments and fights between other mods/mentors then a J-Mod usually locks it up. There is more merit to writing up a thread and having it being discussed publicly with the community to get everyone's input.

 

I didn't bother reporting any of the bots because it is an ineffective means of dealing with the actual problem. There were times where I would go on those bot busts with J-Mods and other P-Mods and report bots, but what's the point when they come back just as instantly as they get removed? I filmed them not because they weren't aware (everyone is aware it's a problem) but to show the extent of damage that bringing back FT/W had on their players.

 

I'm glad that not everyone displays your attitude of 'doesnt matter if I dont report, another will be along in a minute'. Pschoqueen pretty much summed up your attitude to this whole thing in disregarding any form of responsibility. You took a disregard to your responsibility to your role as a pmod and representative in the way you did what you did and you thought there'd be no consequence. You deserved the boot.

Jrhairychest

 

Tell me, how many bots have you reported compared to the number out there? It is completely hopeless, especially with jagex refusing to even remove the reporting limit. I've personally spent hours reporting ess bots before even the botdemic or free trade only to be called vigiliante by other pmods. And guess what? Of the 20 bots i actually tracked -maybe 1 or 2 got temp bans. And this is before rollbacks/free trade!

 

There is just 0 hope now when bots outnumber humans - even more true on f2p.

 

And ...why shouldwe report when jagex had promised us such advanced anti bot technology?

I'm glad that not everyone displays your attitude of 'doesnt matter if I dont report, another will be along in a minute'. Pschoqueen pretty much summed up your attitude to this whole thing in disregarding any form of responsibility. You took a disregard to your responsibility to your role as a pmod and representative in the way you did what you did and you thought there'd be no consequence. You deserved the boot.

When the system is flawed, is the whistleblower to blame?

 

Bots in this game are caught by an individual report made by another player, which has to be reviewed afterwards to determin a punishment.

This should be automated.