honestly, the people who are supposedly quitting due to jagex don't matter anyways. jiblix was just a forum moderator and a level 3 in runescape so he was a scrub to begin with. I never even heard of him until his name came up in this thread. Zarfot is the only person who made an impact on this game and quit due to jagex. most others had other life commitments that are more important than Rs. if you guys don't like an aspect of runescape then quit too. no one is forcing you to play a game. obviously your life must be pretty crappy in general if you have nothing better to do than play a game you hate. i'll probably get a ban for saying this but i don't really care because it's getting sickening to come on these forums everyday and hear people whinning about how miserable their lives are because theres a bot at their favorite spot or because jagex released an update that gives the company money so they can put it back into the company to make more updates. [cabbage]s not cheap in this world. be thankful you have anything. theres people out there that don't have shoes for their feet and have to drink puddle water and don't know if they will get to eat today. our world is degenerating so quickly with all these belligerent little kids who cry if something doesn't go their way.

 

 

/endrant

coolstory

 

being level 3 doesn't make you a scrub. in fact, anyone who uses the word scrub is an idiot.

That term used on the internet's essentially the same as "Noob".

 

It means more than that, especially when the word "noob" has been washed out of its meaning for decades.

That term used on the internet's essentially the same as "Noob".

 

It means more than that, especially when the word "noob" has been washed out of its meaning for decades.

 

There's another game I play, and it's a very common term. Scrub/Noob, for the most part, are taken as the same meaning. For some people though they'll take "Scrub" as a tad more offensive. Not just a "Bad player", but "You suck."

New video from Jiblix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsFExAw6ZjM&feature=feedu

 

 

DOOOOM

People hate me for being the doomsayer - but really, when your most loyal players - and now including jiblix - all quit on you - no amount of PR stunts/gimmicks/membersRWTprogram/clothes will save the community, or the game.

 

You're preaching to the wrong crowd.

 

Loyal players, or just players in general, haven't quit. That's just your warped perception (As I've touched on before), believing they have.. And now Jiblix? As if it's breaking news.

 

You've stated multiple times that you've quit, but you're still here preaching on a daily basis.

 

You've no idea what can be done by them, there's no need to "Save the game", it's not "lost". Yes there are bots and the like, but most of us aren't shoving it down peoples throats. Seriously, find something better to do, please.

 

I think there are two versions of "quit." Actually stop playing the game and stop paying for members.

 

I personally have "quit" as in I quit giving them my money. I think a large chunk of their loyal fanbase has too.

 

I'd love to see a graph of how many accounts that have been around for 5+ years have members now vs members a year ago. I'd wager that a large number less.

We're not having fun anymore, Jagex.

We're not having fun anymore, Jagex.

 

What is this "fun" you speak of? Can we buy it with Loyalty Points or perhaps a 3 month membership from Gamestop? :unsure:

@Makoto - Jib agreed that he didn’t bother reporting them. Take a little read back. The points are still the same. You’d report a bot, I’d report a bot and when I see one I do. Some WON’T, even though they’ve got the tools to do it (priority reports for pmods) as well as ability to mute. It’s not unreasonable to ask any player to report as they tootle around on their day to day activities in RS. It is unreasonable to crucify Jagex over the issue of bots whilst doing nothing about it as a pmod or indeed any other player. Pot and kettle come to mind. It’s not untenable to report them it’s just a lazy half-arsed attitude. Muttering that Jagex doesn’t do anything them doesn’t help if they’re not aware of the bot in the first place. No idea why you keep saying that I expect pmods to report everything, but you keep saying it in the hope that I'll believe it when I've stated categorically that is not the case in my last post, so dream on.

 

You seem so fixated on the ‘not sure its a bot’ thing. I didn’t conveniently glaze over this issue, I actually challenged that pmods are more bothered about their own little crowns being risked. I’d say that hits the issue on the head. It shows some care more about their little status symbol. The method is simple - We report and let Jagex decide whether a bot is a bot or not. That’s everyone, not just pmods. As mentioned above pmods have the added point about priority reporting. That’s not being under-equipped at all. Again there’s no excuses for not doing so. A 'good' pmod says ‘I’d better not report as I’ll risk losing my crown’? Please.

 

You’re also seem to be concerned about the reporting system being flooded. That’s again a Jagex problem, not the players. I don’t recall any publication on the subject telling the playing audience to stop reporting because of this. Unless you can provide something to the contrary it’s a joke argument.

 

As far as Jagex painting themselves in a bad light I also disagree. They made a good stand on that and I’ve seen enough support to agree that it was done right. Any player they put in a position of authority or trust should understand they are representative of that organisation. Jagex pays them with the little status symbol. They don’t like following the party line then they simply don’t moderate any more by their own choice. I still don’t hear the stampedes of pmods/fmods dropping their positions so I can’t really agree with your point that they are unhappy. If I was, I’d drop it like a stone but I guess for some the status weighs much more than their moral compass.

 

@Crossed Body - Prove me wrong. Let me see some solid evidence to back it up. Give me the evidence that reports are ignored and that Jagex are underpowered to deal with the issues rather than what you’ve been reading on the doomsayer forums.

@Crossed Body - Prove me wrong. Let me see some solid evidence to back it up. Give me the evidence that reports are ignored and that Jagex are underpowered to deal with the issues rather than what youve been reading on the doomsayer forums.

 

Just login and see for yourself. It's not exactly a big secret that there are bots in literally ever corner of the game.

 

inb4 you deny it because you like to argue.

honestly, the people who are supposedly quitting due to jagex don't matter anyways. jiblix was just a forum moderator and a level 3 in runescape so he was a scrub

 

 

scrub

 

 

 

scrub

 

 

Jesus christ I laughed... Are you sure that's what you mean? Because I don't think you mean what that word actually represents.

 

That term used on the internet's essentially the same as "Noob".

 

They're kind of cute.

 

inb4 Chris Hanson

 

 

 

And as for unspam, "scrub" is used mostly in FPS games, where the average player is as immature or worse than in RS. Because of the inherently competitive nature of FPS games, it generally brings out the "nasty" in people.

Just login and see for yourself. It's not exactly a big secret that there are bots in literally ever corner of the game.

 

inb4 you deny it because you like to argue.

 

I’ll let you in on a secret I have. *Shhhhh lets whisper* When I see a bot I report it and very rarely do I see the bot again after a few days at most. The reporting method was simple and very intuitive to follow. I’d highly recommend it. *shhhhhh* don’t tell anyone about reporting as it’s a secret very few players seem to know.

 

*whistle* oo Blade’s calling. Go on now...good boy!! *pats head*.

Ill let you in on a secret I have. *Shhhhh lets whisper* When I see a bot I report it and very rarely do I see the bot again after a few days at most. The reporting method was simple and very intuitive to follow. Id highly recommend it. *shhhhhh* dont tell anyone about reporting as its a secret very few players seem to know.

 

*whistle* oo Blades calling. Go on now...good boy!! *pats head*.

You do know that you reports/min are capped, right? I'm not completely sure you play this game, because it is literally impossible to report every bot in a major location in under 30 minutes.

And bots you report don't get banned, they get their stats reduced. Not seeing them after a few days is a coincidence or simply... the odds? Because bots do change worlds and log off once in a while, but you know that, right?

Ill let you in on a secret I have. *Shhhhh lets whisper* When I see a bot I report it and very rarely do I see the bot again after a few days at most. The reporting method was simple and very intuitive to follow. Id highly recommend it. *shhhhhh* dont tell anyone about reporting as its a secret very few players seem to know.

 

*whistle* oo Blades calling. Go on now...good boy!! *pats head*.

You do know that you reports/min are capped, right? I'm not completely sure you play this game, because it is literally impossible to report every bot in a major location in under 30 minutes.

And bots you report don't get banned, they get their stats reduced. Not seeing them after a few days is a coincidence or simply... the odds? Because bots do change worlds and log off once in a while, but you know that, right?

 

One report per minutes so that we can't "spam" their system. :rolleyes:

Just login and see for yourself. It's not exactly a big secret that there are bots in literally ever corner of the game.

 

inb4 you deny it because you like to argue.

 

Ill let you in on a secret I have. *Shhhhh lets whisper* When I see a bot I report it and very rarely do I see the bot again after a few days at most. The reporting method was simple and very intuitive to follow. Id highly recommend it. *shhhhhh* dont tell anyone about reporting as its a secret very few players seem to know.

 

*whistle* oo Blades calling. Go on now...good boy!! *pats head*.

bot is offline

 

IT MUSTVE BEEN BANNED

 

bot on different world

 

IT MUSTVE BEEN BANNED

 

doesnt see bot

 

IM A HERO

I did a little test a while ago. I reported 5 mining guild bots, who were obviously botting. I then tracked them on the highscores. To this day, they haven't been nerfed or banned.

Ill let you in on a secret I have. *Shhhhh lets whisper* When I see a bot I report it and very rarely do I see the bot again after a few days at most. The reporting method was simple and very intuitive to follow. Id highly recommend it. *shhhhhh* dont tell anyone about reporting as its a secret very few players seem to know.

 

*whistle* oo Blades calling. Go on now...good boy!! *pats head*.

You do know that you reports/min are capped, right? I'm not completely sure you play this game, because it is literally impossible to report every bot in a major location in under 30 minutes.

And bots you report don't get banned, they get their stats reduced. Not seeing them after a few days is a coincidence or simply... the odds? Because bots do change worlds and log off once in a while, but you know that, right?

 

Of course Im aware of that. Who said anything about reporting every bot? If none of us let Jagex know that we suspect a player is botting then its little wonder you feel nothing is done if youre not even prepared to let them know.

 

Coincidence? Moving worlds? Perhaps but youre going on guesswork which isnt bonafide. Youve also changed your tune. Before it was nothing is done, now its rollbacks. Youve stated reports are ignored and Jagex are underpowered to deal with the issues. Still waiting for evidence.

I did a little test a while ago. I reported 5 mining guild bots, who were obviously botting. I then tracked them on the highscores. To this day, they haven't been nerfed or banned.

 

I recall someone doing a fairly large-scale replication of this experiment. From what I can remember, a very small amount were ever rolled/banned.

 

Of course Im aware of that. Who said anything about reporting every bot? If none of us let Jagex know that we suspect a player is botting then its little wonder you feel nothing is done if youre not even prepared to let them know.

 

Coincidence? Moving worlds? Perhaps but youre going on guesswork which isnt bonafide. Youve also changed your tune. Before it was nothing is done, now its rollbacks. Youve stated reports are ignored and Jagex are underpowered to deal with the issues. Still waiting for evidence.

I have friends who bot. They are carefull, and many of them have stats over 90 100% botted, none of them was rolled back.

I've watched the cheating community for years. They hold contests for those who can bot the longest without consequences, and most of them suffer nothing from DAYS of botting in a row. Some have very impressive records.

From my analisys of what goes on in the cheating community, a person getting rolled back is actually a rare to non existing experience for the average botter who does 5~7hours of botting a day.

 

And no, nothing is done. You think rollbacks mean something to a botter? In the event that they do happen, which is rare, they can just bot up their stats again.

If you back up a couple years from now, botting used to be a permaban offence with no appeal. Now you can even buy back your account if you happen to get banned, in some cases.

 

Jagex has gotten lenient AND blind sighted, and the cheating that goes on rampant is the living, breathing proof of it.

 

 

My "guesswork" isn't entirely "guesswork", since I know how both bots and botters work. To be sure that a punishment has been delivered, you'd have to add the bot and periodicly check his highscores (if he's entirely gone or his stats have been reduced, your report was efficient), else you are the one doing the guesswork.

@Crossed Body - Prove me wrong. Let me see some solid evidence to back it up. Give me the evidence that reports are ignored and that Jagex are underpowered to deal with the issues rather than what youve been reading on the doomsayer forums.

 

Make a claim. Expect others to prove it. Wut.

 

Just login and see for yourself. It's not exactly a big secret that there are bots in literally ever corner of the game.

 

inb4 you deny it because you like to argue.

 

Ill let you in on a secret I have. *Shhhhh lets whisper* When I see a bot I report it and very rarely do I see the bot again after a few days at most. The reporting method was simple and very intuitive to follow. Id highly recommend it. *shhhhhh* dont tell anyone about reporting as its a secret very few players seem to know.

 

*whistle* oo Blades calling. Go on now...good boy!! *pats head*.

 

At first, I could have sworn you were just stupid, but you're just a very poorly executed troll.

 

People hate me for being the doomsayer - but really, when your most loyal players - and now including jiblix - all quit on you - no amount of PR stunts/gimmicks/membersRWTprogram/clothes will save the community, or the game.

 

I haven't quit. Thus, not all loyal players have quit. Prove by contradiction.

Now shut up.

I have friends who bot. They are carefull, and many of them have stats over 90 100% botted, none of them was rolled back.

 

I've watched the cheating community for years. They hold contests for those who can bot the longest without consequences, and most of them suffer nothing from DAYS of botting in a row. Some have very impressive records.

From my analisys of what goes on in the cheating community, a person getting rolled back is actually a rare to non existing experience for the average botter who does 5~7hours of botting a day.

 

And no, nothing is done. You think rollbacks mean something to a botter? In the event that they do happen, which is rare, they can just bot up their stats again.

If you back up a couple years from now, botting used to be a permaban offence with no appeal. Now you can even buy back your account if you happen to get banned, in some cases.

 

Jagex has gotten lenient AND blind sighted, and the cheating that goes on rampant is the living, breathing proof of it.

 

 

My "guesswork" isn't entirely "guesswork", since I know how both bots and botters work. To be sure that a punishment has been delivered, you'd have to add the bot and periodicly check his highscores (if he's entirely gone or his stats have been reduced, your report was efficient), else you are the one doing the guesswork.

 

“I know 12 players who botted – 10 were banned and 2 were rollbacks”. That was easy wasn’t it? I can just make up any numbers I want to support the point. Where’s your hard facts or reliable evidence, without the “my friends did..........................”? Interesting too it’s always players friends and never themselves.

 

I’m assuming that you’re totally against the idea of botting by your tone on cheating so I’m wondering why you haven't reported your ‘friends’ as with not doing so you’re condoning their behaviour on the one hand while stating Jagex doesn’t do a thing about it with the other. What have you done yourself about this? Ignoring that is almost as bad as the botting itself, or do the rules not apply because they’re your friends? This is making such an interesting thread as the more posters say about not reporting for their various reasons the more you guys are contributing to the problem.

 

I agree rollbacks aren’t the best solution. However, I’m under the impression it’s an ‘x’ strikes and you’re out to give players a chance. I can’t really see a botter being caught ‘x’ amount of times and not being permanently banned. The buyback option isn’t set in stone either and I would suspect that anyone using this option to buy back a macro’d account would be charged a certain number of fees based on their botting to get the account back assuming they give you the option at all. I don’t agree with all of it but I live with it.

Perhaps but you’re going on guesswork which isn’t bonafide.

And your "proof" isn't?

 

fail troll harder please

 

 

We're not having fun anymore, Jagex.

Who is we?

Perhaps but youre going on guesswork which isnt bonafide.

And your "proof" isn't?

 

fail troll harder please

 

 

We're not having fun anymore, Jagex.

Who is we?

 

Pal and myself. That's all you need to be a "we." :P

A lot of people blame Jagex.

While some of its their fault, I think moreso the community that screwed it up.

A lot of people blame Jagex.

While some of its their fault, I think moreso the community that screwed it up.

 

 

What killed the game? Our assumption that Jagex wanted the game to thrive. <_<

“I know 12 players who botted – 10 were banned and 2 were rollbacks”. That was easy wasn’t it? I can just make up any numbers I want to support the point. Where’s your hard facts or reliable evidence, without the “my friends did..........................”? Interesting too it’s always players friends and never themselves.

All my statements can be confirmed if you lurk in websites that cannot be mentioned here.

 

I’m assuming that you’re totally against the idea of botting

 

Your assumption is wrong. I don't give a rat's ass if half of the population bots; It only makes things easier for me, since I have buyables to max.

Now, what I think of botting and what I expect Jagex to do are two different things. Jagex promised a solution, so I've been lead to believe they are working on one, and if I am giving them my money I like to know what they do with it.

 

I'm also not petty enough to sell my real friends out on a videogame because of things that don't matter to me personally.

 

 

 

This was also a nice deflection from the original argument for which you also fail to provide evidence to back up.