The Back Room

[archimage_a]

Though if you are referring to my statement regarding your formulation in the discussion of Construction, that had less to do with your objection than it had to do with the method you explained it in being illegible

 

"If Socrates himself would lecture to a swallow, would the bird understand philosophy?"

 

You really do make 'insulting' you no effort at all...

Specifically that several other people understood it, meaning that the explaination was 'legible', and given this there must be a problem with the 'student' rather than the 'teacher'.

 

If we want to quibble legibility refers to your ability to read the script (/characters) itself (themselves), not the content...Intelligible, and Unintelligible would be more accurate...

Again, constructing an insult would take no effort at all, you simply make it too easy.

[The_Mather1]

Then let me remind you, Wyvren, that I was the one studying electrics at the time.

 

And further let me remind you that it only appeared to break one of the physical laws because the explanation provided by my opponent only took account for one law.

 

 

The circuit in question was a capacitor discharging through a superconductor. 100 volts passing through a conductor that has 0 ohms of resistance does so at an infinite amperage. My opponent claimed this broke the laws of thermodynamics, since it would equal infinite wattage, which according to him was infinite energy. Meanwhile what happens is that the charge passes at an infinitesimal time, which means that the energy is not infinite, but rather impossible to calculate based on wattage and time.

 

 

 

 

You want some wise words, Archi? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - The Golden Rule.

The fact that I make it easy for you to insult me says nothing about me, I could avoid them, but I do not bother, for neither do your words bother me. The fact that you use each situation I give you however says quite a bit about you.

So what does it matter that I am open for insults? Each one you make only furthers my moral high ground.

[Nexaduro]

You're not a bad person, Mather, nor an idiot.

 

But I swear to god you dig yourself metaphorical holes like an boring rig

Then let me remind you, Wyvren, that I was the one studying electrics at the time.

 

And further let me remind you that it only appeared to break one of the physical laws because the explanation provided by my opponent only took account for one law.

 

 

The circuit in question was a capacitor discharging through a superconductor. 100 volts passing through a conductor that has 0 ohms of resistance does so at an infinite amperage. My opponent claimed this broke the laws of thermodynamics, since it would equal infinite wattage, which according to him was infinite energy. Meanwhile what happens is that the charge passes at an infinitesimal time, which means that the energy is not infinite, but rather impossible to calculate based on wattage and time.

See, the problem arose in the first place when you tried to apply precise real-world physics to a game in which I was fighting Space-Russians in their floating interdimensional Space-Castle with a sword made of gravity and MY MIND.

[archimage_a]

You want some wise words, Archi? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - The Golden Rule.

The fundermental flaw with that philosophy is that if everyone is doing what they do do if they were other people then all it really does is reverse the roles...Of course that assumes that men know what they would actually do...as well as what is 'good' for them.

Many of the greatest tyrants and villians in history held that they must do as they do because somebody had to...indeed many envied their servants and slaves that they(the slaves) did not have to make the hard decisions that they (the masters) did.

Doing unto others only serves to extend intolerance and hostility.

 

I prefer Lao Tzu's "Simplicy, patience, compassion. These three are your greatest treasures."

 

The fact that I make it easy for you to insult me says nothing about me, I could avoid them, but I do not bother, for neither do your words bother me.

Then why complain?

Please do not compose arguments which are hypocritical, the only person they fool is the speaker.

 

The fact that you use each situation I give you however says quite a bit about you.

That I think little of people who are recalcitrant in the face of facts? That I bear no mind to defend those who are insulted by those who's arguments are fallacious and malicious? That I will use Irony and Wit as my sword and spear, as opposed to naked boasts of my fighting prowess, and rude hand gestures when that fails? That I, he who would spend many hours trying to run games for the Tavern while none else attempt to, am in fact not a source of infinate patience? That while I am willing to tolerate a great many things, to stomach a great many blows, and to withstand a great many diatribes based on half baked understandings of science, sociology and psycology, even I am drawn to trading hard words?

 

So what does it matter that I am open for insults? Each one you make only furthers my moral high ground.

You cannot further you moral high ground, because you cannot own morality. Any attempts to do so are merely ego.

In each case you either observe morality, or you do not.

[Earth]

See, the problem arose in the first place when you tried to apply precise real-world physics to a game in which I was fighting Space-Russians in their floating interdimensional Space-Castle with a sword made of gravity and MY MIND.

I take credit for that sword, by the way.

Also, mather, we're talking science here, not morals. I think there may be a difference.

Arch, we DO appreciate the work you do for the tavern. There wouldn't be a Tavern. My games all turn to dust because I either can't find the time or can't find the inspiration to carry them through. I don't use any systems or anything at all. So it's kind of confusing for the people who play the games, which I do understand and feel bad about. Meh. They're pretty wishy washy to the adventurelands you make for us, in any case.

[archimage_a]

Earth, I do it because I enjoy it, hopefully as much as people enjoy partaking in the games.

[Nexaduro]

The Tavern's answer to /FG/

 

The Back Room: Last One to Snap Wins

[Corvus]

Then let me remind you, Wyvren, that I was the one studying electrics at the time.

 

And further let me remind you that it only appeared to break one of the physical laws because the explanation provided by my opponent only took account for one law.

 

 

The circuit in question was a capacitor discharging through a superconductor. 100 volts passing through a conductor that has 0 ohms of resistance does so at an infinite amperage. My opponent claimed this broke the laws of thermodynamics, since it would equal infinite wattage, which according to him was infinite energy. Meanwhile what happens is that the charge passes at an infinitesimal time, which means that the energy is not infinite, but rather impossible to calculate based on wattage and time.

 

Well, I just so happened to also be studying electrical circuits at the time (When you are studying a branch of Electrical engineering you tend to study electricity fairly often) and I was also telling you that you were spouting nonsense. While yes you could theoretically get infinite current, that infinite current would have no ability to perform any useful work, which is what you were trying to claim it actually did.

[Earth]

I enjoy it a lot, Arch, and I wish I could actually do stuff instead of fumble uselessly about in most of the games you run. I'm not a great person for complicated stuff I've found. But I really wish I could attend more often, it seems my schedule for the summer doesn't allow that. Oh well.

[The_Mather1]

Then let me remind you, Wyvren, that I was the one studying electrics at the time.

 

And further let me remind you that it only appeared to break one of the physical laws because the explanation provided by my opponent only took account for one law.

 

 

The circuit in question was a capacitor discharging through a superconductor. 100 volts passing through a conductor that has 0 ohms of resistance does so at an infinite amperage. My opponent claimed this broke the laws of thermodynamics, since it would equal infinite wattage, which according to him was infinite energy. Meanwhile what happens is that the charge passes at an infinitesimal time, which means that the energy is not infinite, but rather impossible to calculate based on wattage and time.

 

Well, I just so happened to also be studying electrical circuits at the time (When you are studying a branch of Electrical engineering you tend to study electricity fairly often) and I was also telling you that you were spouting nonsense. While yes you could theoretically get infinite current, that infinite current would have no ability to perform any useful work, which is what you were trying to claim it actually did.

Yeah, that current would not be capable of doing too much work (in fact the amount of work it could do would be the exact amount the charge of the capacitor amounts to). The only thing it could do that would not slow down the current would be to generate a magnetic field, which was exactly what it was supposed to. That field would barely last longer than the pulse, but in that time it could induce electricity into another coil, for example with much higher voltage if that coil had more turns than the first one. And if that voltage was high enough, it could cause an arc, which if the pulses happened at high frequency and someone was hit by the arcs could cause involuntary spams in say... their hearts.

[Nexaduro]

Then let me remind you, Wyvren, that I was the one studying electrics at the time.

 

And further let me remind you that it only appeared to break one of the physical laws because the explanation provided by my opponent only took account for one law.

 

 

The circuit in question was a capacitor discharging through a superconductor. 100 volts passing through a conductor that has 0 ohms of resistance does so at an infinite amperage. My opponent claimed this broke the laws of thermodynamics, since it would equal infinite wattage, which according to him was infinite energy. Meanwhile what happens is that the charge passes at an infinitesimal time, which means that the energy is not infinite, but rather impossible to calculate based on wattage and time.

 

Well, I just so happened to also be studying electrical circuits at the time (When you are studying a branch of Electrical engineering you tend to study electricity fairly often) and I was also telling you that you were spouting nonsense. While yes you could theoretically get infinite current, that infinite current would have no ability to perform any useful work, which is what you were trying to claim it actually did.

Yeah, that current would not be capable of doing too much work (in fact the amount of work it could do would be the exact amount the charge of the capacitor amounts to). The only thing it could do that would not slow down the current would be to generate a magnetic field, which was exactly what it was supposed to. That field would barely last longer than the pulse, but in that time it could induce electricity into another coil, for example with much higher voltage if that coil had more turns than the first one. And if that voltage was high enough, it could cause an arc, which if the pulses happened at high frequency and someone was hit by the arcs could cause involuntary spams in say... their hearts.

Or you could shoot them and not waste hours of other people's time making them explain to you precisely why they don't want to deal with your shit.

 

Better yet, shoot the Mod. I'm sure they'd be happier that way.

[archimage_a]

The only problem I have with X3 is that you can only play it for two or three days before needing to put it aside for 6 months to get over the 'I was a big fish, but now I am a small fish again' as you trade in your ship.

Also the strategy with each class/level of ship is very different.

 

Its throughly enjoyable, but I keep getting the 'Oh.' feeling. Actually applies to most games I enjoy actually...I guess its one way to keep them challanging.

[Cruiser]

 

Back to the thing that unites us, Tip It has taken away Channel Operator Privledges on IRC.

 

This has been corrected. Next time you run into something like this please contact the IRC staff in #runescape (or forum staff that know who to direct it to) so it can be corrected. It was an artifact of the RuneScript network configuration from before the server was linked.

[archimage_a]

don't know...Nex seems to have a fairly good grasp of the situation.

 

Though when it comes to people being creative inside games there is a thin line between being tedious due to lack of creativity, and being tedious due to overthinking.

 

In a large way it also depends on the Mod not asking too much or too little, both of the group and of the individual. Sometimes it is easy, sometimes it is not.

 

 

And while myself and Mather annoy each other to some degree, neither of us actively strive(I assume) to annoy the other...we merely annoy the other by being the person that we are.

 

 

Thanks Cruiser.

[The_Mather1]

You want some wise words, Archi? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - The Golden Rule.

The fundermental flaw with that philosophy is that if everyone is doing what they do do if they were other people then all it really does is reverse the roles...Of course that assumes that men know what they would actually do...as well as what is 'good' for them.

Many of the greatest tyrants and villians in history held that they must do as they do because somebody had to...indeed many envied their servants and slaves that they(the slaves) did not have to make the hard decisions that they (the masters) did.

Doing unto others only serves to extend intolerance and hostility.

 

I prefer Lao Tzu's "Simplicy, patience, compassion. These three are your greatest treasures."

 

The fact that I make it easy for you to insult me says nothing about me, I could avoid them, but I do not bother, for neither do your words bother me.

Then why complain?

Please do not compose arguments which are hypocritical, the only person they fool is the speaker.

 

The fact that you use each situation I give you however says quite a bit about you.

That I think little of people who are recalcitrant in the face of facts? That I bear no mind to defend those who are insulted by those who's arguments are fallacious and malicious? That I will use Irony and Wit as my sword and spear, as opposed to naked boasts of my fighting prowess, and rude hand gestures when that fails? That I, he who would spend many hours trying to run games for the Tavern while none else attempt to, am in fact not a source of infinate patience? That while I am willing to tolerate a great many things, to stomach a great many blows, and to withstand a great many diatribes based on half baked understandings of science, sociology and psycology, even I am drawn to trading hard words?

 

So what does it matter that I am open for insults? Each one you make only furthers my moral high ground.

You cannot further you moral high ground, because you cannot own morality. Any attempts to do so are merely ego.

In each case you either observe morality, or you do not.

If I took offense, I would respond in kind, whereas what I do is to explain that what you are doing is wrong.

 

And you are right, no, you cannot own morality, for it is a trait, not an object.

And here's another newsflash, karma cannot be held, for it is intangible. *gasp*

 

And no, your games are not what's holding the Tavern together, if you haven't noticed, less than a fourth of the Tavern plays your current games. Nor are you the only one to host games, if you haven't forgot, I had a game recently, until I had to kick you out, falling under the three player minimum, because you were insistent on creating a flying city to mine out Mars' crust

[Ieyfura]

Alright guys. I think this argument has well surpassed it's end. Al it is is you two going back and forth over and over and it's not going anywhere.

[archimage_a]

Mmmm, really moderation should have come much earlier...There has been nothing productive in this discussion since I asked if anyone wanted to join me in a game, Mather suggested Minecraft and RS and I declined those suggestions.

 

 

Also, in responce to the latest Tip It Times Article, I am not entirely sure what people are suprised about. On the first level if you release a program which allows for duplication of items and general ways to 'make' money, in a game that have such a great following in economics (continually buoyed up by updates which favour that), then obviously people will use that system more than a new combat update.

On the second level, there are mountainous volumes of people suggesting ways to improve RS, everyone has an opinion and few agree with anyone else...

On the third level, there is the old joke: "How many Runescapians does it take to change a lightbulb?" "100, 1 to change it and 99 to complain how it was better before."

On the forth level, changes to game mechanics are rarely favourably recieved...The people who play the game tend to be the people who enjoy the way things are at the moment.

 

Of course the other point is that beta tests give people an opportunity to complain about the things they don't like...making it hard to claim that people want the change.

[Nexaduro]

In a small point, Mather, you should give Archi some credit as a GM. He's literally given us hundreds of hours worth of sessions, which a lot of the Tavern enjoy.

 

The current Dark Heresy game is small, yeah, but the players enjoy it.

[Retech]

Probably the better example is crossroads, since Mather actually plays that. :P

[Alg]

Also, in responce to the latest Tip It Times Article

Assuming you're talking about mine:

It's only the latest because Tripsis hasn't posted today's yet, and it was outdated the day after I wrote it (Close to two weeks ago now) :razz:

[Nexaduro]

I've finally almost gotten Mabinogi working again. It's been two or three months, and the last five days every install attempt has brought rampant errors.

 

I don't know why I like that game so much sometimes. Probably a mix of nostalgia, the wonder of someone who can't really understand most of the game world, and being part of a pretty awesome guild:

(In which I wear lavender britches, ride a dragon, and helpfully stay out of the way while the others fight Balrogs)

[archimage_a]

Also, in responce to the latest Tip It Times Article

Assuming you're talking about mine:

It's only the latest because Tripsis hasn't posted today's yet, and it was outdated the day after I wrote it (Close to two weeks ago now) :razz:

 

Psht, I was just looking for something to talk about so it didn't look like I was attacking Iey so much. =P

 

 

But like I said, I enjoy the games, I don't really look to tell people what they should think of me, except when asked.

[Nexaduro]

Pathfinder SRD now has proper pages for Monster Race characters, giving them fluff, favoured class options, alternate racial traits, and even exclusive class archetypes.

 

I reeeeeally want to play a Goblin right now. One of the archetypes is a Barbarian focused on latching onto your enemy, unarmed, and biting them to death, and the other is the Firebomber Alchemist. I already have a partially built Goblin Alchemist from before the archetype was released. :)

 

I wish it were easier to find a group for Pathfinder.

[archimage_a]

You could run the session yourself...

[Ieyfura]

Also, in responce to the latest Tip It Times Article

Assuming you're talking about mine:

It's only the latest because Tripsis hasn't posted today's yet, and it was outdated the day after I wrote it (Close to two weeks ago now) :razz:

 

Psht, I was just looking for something to talk about so it didn't look like I was attacking Iey so much. =P

 

 

But like I said, I enjoy the games, I don't really look to tell people what they should think of me, except when asked.

 

It's alright. I know I haven't really been around much. My mind's been a mess lately, so I just tend to avoid talking to people, or in this case, keeping an eye on the Tavern since I don't really post much to begin with. I always was the silent listening type regardless. Ok, enough rambling from me. Looks like I need to find a new avatar since my last one no longer fits the file size limit. :(