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I am drawn to a 1880s setting. Guns are reasonably uncommon, as are Cars, but can be acquired.
Also the Tavern has something against Archers, so maybe Gunmen will be more tolerable =P

Magic would be Esper and Artifact based.

The Esper Magic itself is reasonably weak...Flame Magicians = Able to produce a candle flame. In game terms this means level 2-2.9 costs 0.2 per 0.1, level 3-3.9 costs 0.3 per 0.1, and so on. Each player gets a level 1 power at the start of the game (For instance Candle Flame, Ice Nail, Rock Knuckles) and most NPCs will have some limited form of Magic.

Only Magic would be handled through the Nimbus system (Minus Parity Levels), everything else goes through the traditional Dungeoneering system.*

Artifacts can be acquired and produce singular effects, depending on the magic type being used. The Artifacts tend to be the size of buttons and tend to be mounted on weapons, clothes or, for the magically enthused, wands/staves. A typical artifact might be 'Firey Sphere'. For Fire/Pyro mages this would produce a flaming sphere at double (Up to a certain point, 7, for instance, decided when the artifact is created) their level. For Water/Hydro mages it would produce a steam cloud at their level. For Electro mages it would produce a flaming sphere that erupted lightning bolts, at their level -1 (Since Fire and Electricity don't exactly work together =P).

The setting, beyond the general era of 1880-1889 is undecided. We could do Victorian London, or City-X, or the area around Caster in that era. We could use something like the Meritocracy that was discussed last night, with Magic being the Governing power, or the Quisitor of Caster, or Impertor of Priest Town, or Stovepipe hat wearing politicans. We could do Air/steamships, or the exploration of the African Interior. I am open to most things...as long as they explained in a manner I can understand.

*Leveling up for most skills will be through the traditional Dungeoneering system of 'You do a task and you get better at doing that task.'

For Magic you would set yourself a task, for instance "Travel to the Tailors and buy a pair of Goggles", I assign a difficulty rating, and if you complete the task then you gain points that you can spend to increase your magic skill. You can then spend skill to gain powers. These Powers may affect artifacts, reduce modifers or add new effects to your spells.

In all skills each full number(interger) value increases your rolls by 1. Levels are capped at 20.

Alternatively you can spend the points gathered to tailor a quest/task. For instance you could spend 4 points to buy a chance encounter with a bard, who tells you of a secret tomb containing the Artifact of "Force Shield". Essentially you give me an outline of a quest and I fill in the details and run it.

Finally, for an increasing cost (1.0 for the first, 2.0 for the second, and so on) you can buy 'feats' which have a very wide meaning and needs to be nailed down.

The game will be using Aspects and Fate Points.
Please consult: http://www.faterpg.c...l/sotc-srd.html for additional ideas, the system explained below is just my interpretation, I am willing to modify that if the changes make sense.
In summery:
An Aspect is a character Trait, for instance "Tyrant" "Coward" "Muscle-Bound" "Genius", etc. They are the traits that make up your character.
Using an aspect adds 5 to a single roll, or allows a re-roll on things covered by that trait (since I am doing the rolling please tell me when you are using a +5 BEFORE I roll.). For instance "Tyrants" would be better at intimidating people or commanding troops, or counting gold. "Cowards" would be better at running away/dodging attacks, etc. Either of these uses 1 Fate Point.
Aspects which have negative connotations, for instancy Tyrants being unable to show mercy, or Cowards who can't fight particularly well, gain 1 Fate Point when their aspect gets in the way. They actually have to get in the way to give you Fate Points, you can't simply start a fight with a mouse then not show mercy/be afraid of it.
If I intervene on behalf of an Aspect, aka you are about to let another party member walk free, but you are a tyrant, I will take over your character, but give you a fate point. If you then attempt to free them straight away you will be warned, if you persist lose all of your fate points. Freeing them later, when your character has had time to reflect, is fine.

Aspects are decided at the beginning of the game, 2 by you, and then 2 by another person(randomly selected) and 1 by me. Along with the 'Blurb' of your life, as explained below.
At the end of a 'bought' quest you can change 1 Aspect(Character Growth), or by spending 5 of your Fate Points a (randomly selected) person can replace one of your Aspects(Epiphany).
Plot Aspects, for instance 'Adept of the House of Tarsus' can be changed to reflect story development. Feel free to add these sorts of aspects in character creation.
Naturally extreme derpery when selecting other people's traits will result in someone else picking them...For instance selecting, for Mather "Afraid of Science" or "Mortal Phobia of Ice" for Retech. The Aspects you select for other people should develop the character based on what already exists.

The Blurb of your life should be just that. You write one to three lines on where you grew up, what you did as a child, etc (It is assumed everyone will be approximate 22-27). The person who choses your other aspects then writes what you did in the last 10 years or so. I then write what you did in the last two months or so, leading up to the present moment. I will take any comments you want into consideration.
...Simply I will add an event that causes everyone to meet up for one reason or another, as well as extricate people from any long term jobs they may have had.

Skills:
You are level 1.0 in your magic/-mancy skill. This is set in stone and cannot be changed during creation. If you wish to not have magic then simply don't add this skill, you can choose a magic later, if you change your mind, but will start at 0.
You can select:
1 skill you are at 10.0 in. (46.9)
2 skills you are at 5.0 in. (22.8)
3 skills you are at 3.0 in. (12.6)
4 skills you are at 2.0 in. (8.4)
5 Skills you are at 1.0 in. (5.0)
(warning, convoluted/confusing rule system follows, using this is NOT advised.)
If you want to customise this list then 0.0-1.9 costs 0.1 per 0.1. 2.0-2.9 costs 0.2 per 0.1, and so on. The bracketed values are the totals for each catagory. This is only used in character creation. This should sum to 95.7. The highest level you can reach is 14.1 at 94.7.
All figures:


Items:
I would give alot of leeway with Items, provided your backstory allows you to have them. Obviously be reasonable...If you were the assistant to Hiram Maxim, who died under mysterious circumstances, and left you his Maxim Gun then there will be fallout from that. Likewise if you are an Artifact Thief, hence you have 20 Artifacts, there will be a lot of fallout out from that. However all stories will have 'fallout', so don't ask 'How many artifacts can I have without getting fallout?' And don't be afraid of fallout. If you are a nobody, who never did anything with their life, and is basically boring as hell, then your adventures will be boring =P

Death usually resolves as a 20 minute timeout. If you break a law that would see you arrested for more than a month, then you are skulled. If you die while skulled you move 1 step along the permadeath route. Going 30 Minute time out, -10.0 Points(not skills) then Permadeath. So 3 strikes and your out.

Some useful Information and links:
https://dl.dropbox.c...19/Infopack.pdf

Some useful skills:
https://dl.dropbox.c...mbus Skills.pdf




Ninja Scoreboard:
Archi: 1
Retech: 3


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Recall that Dungeoneering did not "burn out", but ended because the two original moderators could not continue it (and then I wrecked game balance after that, but anyways).

It was great up to the point that Ross had to leave in the original, so I think that would be an excellent place to start off. Recall the elements that made Dungeoneering successful:

1) Player-driven plot
2) Player interaction and dynamics (All voluntary interaction)

I think after we started Dungeons and Dragons, the perception switched to more of a group-activity teamplay thing, which is a good system, but doesn't work so great for the Tavern playing Dungeoneering. The great thing about the original Dungeoneering was that it was about exploration and finding new knowledge (which does not necessarily equate to exp, as we saw). There's no reason that Dungeoneering cannot continue in that vein today. (By today, I mean, currently, but next week, because this is just a discussion session tonight).

I already articulated the reasons to Archi before, but I thought I'd just post here. Also rivalry and conflict are not necessarily a bad thing, which basically drove Dungeoneering for a long time.

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I agree with Retech.

Also the Nimbus system seems needlessly complicated to me, what with the mechanic of buying skills.
Hence my vote goes for the Dungeoneering system. Though it might be beneficial to alter the roll mechanic, so as to make level matter in the calculation and not just interpretation.

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Also, if you notice, my lack of support for the new system is not self-motivated, because my magical stats are relatively average and would actually gain a big boost from a parity level calculation.
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I am happy to discuss hybrids, and we will wait until the session for the votes. If people want to post their opinions and systems please do. =)


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Also the Nimbus system seems needlessly complicated to me, what with the mechanic of buying skills.
Hence my vote goes for the Dungeoneering system. Though it might be beneficial to alter the roll mechanic, so as to make level matter in the calculation and not just interpretation.

It seems like the only difference is a cap on skills and penalties for getting too powerful too quickly.

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It has penalties for bringing up one skill rather than a multitude of skills. It does not limit power, only certain playstyles
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How would some sort of FATE based homebrew work?
You would choose your basic stats and then have however many points to purchase powers or stunts.
An example would be to give 30-40 points for stats and then another 10-15 for powers. I'd like to see aspects thrown in too but that might be a bit much (though it would be easier on the gm as FATE has always been very easy to run in my (limited ) experience.
It would keep the same feel if you lessened the damage that stress gives too.
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For reference:
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I'm for the FATE system.

If not then it would be nice to allow some traits upon character creation that provide permanent bonuses.

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I'm just going to say that 2025 is a good setting as well. Again. :rolleyes:

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I had been considering Aegis as a Time Travelling game (With Stalker Elements), but Retech had rallied heavy support for Dungeoneering, and since there is only one 'free' game slot I figured it would be better not to make things more complex, though if anyone wants to become torchbearer for that idea/2025 feel free.


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I've heard support from Retech. That's it. Who else is so dead-set on it?

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Dead-set is different from support for the idea. :P
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Almost everything we do is Dungeoneering. <.<

We haven't had nearly enough games in a post-apocalypse setting.

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If you want to try out modern fantasy (and FATE through the DFRPG, which is what I'm mainly familiar with [aside from a bit of Legends of Anglerre and Diaspora]), I'd be willing to draw up an outline of supernatural San Francisco (basically create a setting that you can scrap or alter as you see fit), and go on irc to answer questions about FATE in general.
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#Nimbus is up and registed as a permenant channel...for reference.


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Also the Nimbus system seems needlessly complicated to me, what with the mechanic of buying skills.
Hence my vote goes for the Dungeoneering system. Though it might be beneficial to alter the roll mechanic, so as to make level matter in the calculation and not just interpretation.

It seems like the only difference is a cap on skills and penalties for getting too powerful too quickly.

There's also the difference that you have to set your own goals to progress, and that progress only grants points which you can use to level up. I find it much better with a realistic system where doing something grants you experience in that thing rather than such a point-purchase system.

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#Nimbus is up for all of this stuff. I assume there would be nothing against discussing that too.
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Ok then. So since the voting system broke down entirely, here are some options:

Setting:
Dungeoneering, not Dungeoneering

Magic:
No, Illegal, Shunned, Limited, Yes

Gameplay:
Together, Individual

Towns:
THE Town(Game is set in a town), A Town (Game is set near/around a town), Over there (Game has a major town), The County (Game has multiple major towns).

Fate Points:
Hybrid, No

Skill System:
Pointbuy, Realism

Voting closes midnight (BST) tommorow.
I will have deciding votes in ties.
You have 2 votes in each catagory, you cannot vote for the same thing twice.
If you have a suggestion please post it in a way that can be understood by a dispassionate observer (In this case my Next Door Neighbour), if you think someone else's suggestion is good then vote for it, again in a way that a dispassionate observer would recognise.
I reserve the right to discard things.

Once things have been decided there will be a day for people to suggest new catagories, for instance 'Does Science exist?' to tailor the idea down.
Again I reserve the right to discard things. This is not, I repeat NOT, your opportunity to dictate a game system. I will, as far as humanly possible, respect your decisions, but I will be running my own game...any situation where 'No you are doing it wrong' could feasible occur should be regarded as being on 'shakey ground'.


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