01 Sept, 2012 - Behind the Scenes September

[Blyaunte]

I'm prolly showing my "age" here, but when I saw the words "challenge system", I had my hopes up that they were re-instituting the old "challenge player [to fight]" system ... :unsure:

[IridiumBunny]

If you have to train for months to be able to get a kill at a mid-level boss, it seems like a pretty poor game design. "Train your skills" is not really a solution, there should be bosses catering to a variety of levels, not just end-gamers.

[Estoc]

At the same time, high level players have every right to be there and use their maxed account to profit from it.

 

It's a predicament, to be sure. There's always going to be elitists who believe if you can't hold a spot you don't deserve the drops but that's just the way it is.

 

Instanced worlds WOULD devalue drops beyond a doubt. A better system would be to implement a select few worlds where certain bosses can only be fought at certain combat levels.

 

Oh, if it was the only method for making money at high levels I'd be a lot more open to it being only on instanced worlds. That's not the case though, high levels have off the top of my head nex, qbd and kiln which as far as I know are all better money than gwd. I'm not saying it's a perfect option, but I believe it's the better of the two.

 

How does it matter that it's not challenging? You need to be a high level to do it effectively. So just train you stats like everything else. Stop feeling entitled.

 

It matters because there's a readily available option to open content to a large number of players while having minimal impact on the relatively small group that monopolizes it now (they can move to something that's more profitable). The only reason I hear against instanced worlds is that gwd items will drop in price, which I don't understand since gwd isn't the best money in the game.

 

And for the record I'm max combat with more than enough money to buy all the correct gear.

[strilmus]

It's about as logical as keeping the one person per npc dialogue limit around, with the reasoning that the person who got there before you deserves to stand there for ten minutes idling in the conversation options because they can.

[Alg]

It's about as logical as keeping the one person per npc dialogue limit around, with the reasoning that the person who got there before you deserves to stand there for ten minutes idling in the conversation options because they can.

To be fair, the people that say it will flood the market with rare drops have a very good point.

[strilmus]

Right, but that can be adjusted too, so it's not as if it's impossible to do so.

[Urza285]

Man god wars dungeon is going to be one hell of a release and so many people are going to be there. I realistically expect at least half of the runescape community who is of moderate gear and skill to be there. Obtaining nex gear and spirit shields are relatively hard to obtain. Aside from that I haven't seen a good replacement for the neitiznot helm, cullinaromancer gloves 10 and Dragonfire shield is ages. Now we are getting the bandos helm, bandos kiteshield and bandos gloves. Also not to mention we are seeing potentially a new tier Mage set presumably just under vertus, magic amulet and ranged gloves and a new crossbow to boot. Let's not forget they said zaryte bows... Longbow and short bow?

[Blyaunte]

Actually reading between the lines somewhat, it appears to me that the Botany Bay structure may allow those that are falsely accused as being bots an opportunity to defend themselves ... :unsure:

[Alg]

Actually reading between the lines somewhat, it appears to me that the Botany Bay structure may allow those that are falsely accused as being bots an opportunity to defend themselves ... :unsure:

Can I just say that I'd never want to be tried by the RS community? :?

[highlanders]

I've always wanted something like Botany Bay, and now they are actually making it. Well to be fair what I wanted was a little more elaborate but it's a start.

[Urza285]

I'm fairly certain the botany bay area will be somewhat dead content after people get what they want for it. I think just the thought alone that a bot is receiving a graphical "ban hammer" and the the real thing seconds later would satisfy everyone. It almost seems petty, but whatever gets the rs community through the day and satisfied with how the bots are handled, right?

[Sir_Squab]

If you need to be a high level to do it, then it's high level content, not mid level. If you're a mid level and want to do high level content, then go train like the high levels did.

 

Except it's "high level" because it was made 5 years ago when the amount of maxed players was a fraction of what it is today, not because it's challenging. There's a difference between outdated and difficult.

How does it matter that it's not challenging? You need to be a high level to do it effectively. So just train you stats like everything else. Stop feeling entitled.

 

But mid level players can do it just fine if they didn't have to out-compete high level players. That's the issue. High level players have the ability to lock mid level players out (instead of simply doing higher level content like nex etc)

Thank you. One of the problems with RS is there are more levels then Jagex knows what to do with. I mean, RS has been out for 10 years and there are currently no weapons/armour in the live game that require even 80 in a skill. GW is rather outdated in the sense that it was made before non tradeable potions, summoning and curses.

 

Also, a good way to judge how accessible something is to players is how easy it is for a DYI character to acquire it. (Assume that for bosses that require multiple players, the DIY player is actually a team of them that share drops.)

 

Also, I don't see a problem with armour devaluation. I don't see why it should be nigh impossible to afford weapons/armour you can technically use until several levels later.

[Urza285]

Also, I don't see a problem with armour devaluation. I don't see why it should be nigh impossible to afford weapons/armour you can technically use until several levels later.

You know I agree... But I think a lot has to do with how much enters/leaves market, where the armor stands with community favor and that thug you mentioned about how there is nothing for 80+ players. There needs to be a motive to move on from god wars armor and I think nex is too big a jump because the skill and gear requirements are too high. There's so much about why that it just muddles the understanding.

[Blyaunte]

Actually reading between the lines somewhat, it appears to me that the Botany Bay structure may allow those that are falsely accused as being bots an opportunity to defend themselves ... :unsure:

Can I just say that I'd never want to be tried by the RS community? :?

 

Well, no, I don't think the community will have much say in this regard. If anything, this is may be the manner in which Jagex can allow people to accuse botters, have the accused botter appear at Botany Bay and yet ensure that they don't ban accounts which haven't actually been botting.

 

How many times have we heard the arguments, "how do you know the player is a bot?" and "what if the account wasn't actually botting?" -- well here's a way to do it. Player gets accused of botting, is whisked away to "B-bay", and they have an opportunity to prove there's a real person behind the pixels. If it's not a bot or auto-clicker, it is cleared.

 

If it is - then purportedly the account gets banned.

[aerendil]

Man god wars dungeon is going to be one hell of a release and so many people are going to be there. I realistically expect at least half of the runescape community who is of moderate gear and skill to be there. Obtaining nex gear and spirit shields are relatively hard to obtain. Aside from that I haven't seen a good replacement for the neitiznot helm, cullinaromancer gloves 10 and Dragonfire shield is ages. Now we are getting the bandos helm, bandos kiteshield and bandos gloves. Also not to mention we are seeing potentially a new tier Mage set presumably just under vertus, magic amulet and ranged gloves and a new crossbow to boot. Let's not forget they said zaryte bows... Longbow and short bow?

 

wut even is a goliath gloves or a fighter helm or a chaotic kiteshield or a ddf?

[Omali]

Actually reading between the lines somewhat, it appears to me that the Botany Bay structure may allow those that are falsely accused as being bots an opportunity to defend themselves ... :unsure:

Can I just say that I'd never want to be tried by the RS community? :?

 

"How do you plead?"

"Innocent."

"Incorrect. The correct answer was to plead a stooped n00b l0lz. Dis court finds in favor of me, and orders the defense to die. kthnxbye"

 

Now that you mention it, I'd also like to not be tried by a jury of ten year olds and adults with all the maturity of ten year olds.

[Thus]

 

Well, no, I don't think the community will have much say in this regard. If anything, this is may be the manner in which Jagex can allow people to accuse botters, have the accused botter appear at Player gets accused of botting, is whisked away to "B-bay", and they have an opportunity to prove there's a real person behind the pixels. If it's not a bot or auto-clicker, it is cleared.

 

If it is - then purportedly the account gets banned.

 

I get accused of botting at least 5 times a day at lrc because I just stand around and fish and don't talk. Do you know how annoying that would be to constantly be interrupted?

[jayc3399]

How does the tagging system work in the EoC in terms of gwd bosses?

[Platinum_Myr]

If you need to be a high level to do it, then it's high level content, not mid level. If you're a mid level and want to do high level content, then go train like the high levels did.

 

Except it's "high level" because it was made 5 years ago when the amount of maxed players was a fraction of what it is today, not because it's challenging. There's a difference between outdated and difficult.

How does it matter that it's not challenging? You need to be a high level to do it effectively. So just train you stats like everything else. Stop feeling entitled.

 

But mid level players can do it just fine if they didn't have to out-compete high level players. That's the issue. High level players have the ability to lock mid level players out (instead of simply doing higher level content like nex etc)

Yeah, exactly. Mid levels can't do the stuff higher level players can do because their stats aren't good enough. The solution is to train.

 

In my opinion it is poor game design that the high levels can so effectively exclude other players. Competition is important in an mmo, but I think the current status of the GWD is poor. I am not sure what the correct system is, except that it should allow mid levels to have some chance.

 

I like the idea of worlds that allow level groups to compete in (so 3-4 worlds that allow high level, mid level, or low levels only, as long as it excludes at both ends) could be a good system. Devaluing of drops can also be solved by reducing drop rates (since more enter as more players can fight) and reduced profit solved by adding in more drops of other values so that you don't have to rely on luck to get the "big" drops in order to profit.

 

It's about as logical as keeping the one person per npc dialogue limit around, with the reasoning that the person who got there before you deserves to stand there for ten minutes idling in the conversation options because they can.

To be fair, the people that say it will flood the market with rare drops have a very good point.

 

Agreed, however I feel that this can be easily solved by reducing drop rates, yet adding more noted low drops or other content that can increase price. The other answer is create some sort of (useful) item sink like MA tried and failed to do. Create a way to destroy armor items at some other gain like consumable items or other rewards. Some sort of recycling system so that armor actually exits the game.

 

 

How does the tagging system work in the EoC in terms of gwd bosses?

 

As far as I know, the tagging system is disabled in boss areas so that you can't hog the kill by tagging it first.

[Urza285]

Man god wars dungeon is going to be one hell of a release and so many people are going to be there. I realistically expect at least half of the runescape community who is of moderate gear and skill to be there. Obtaining nex gear and spirit shields are relatively hard to obtain. Aside from that I haven't seen a good replacement for the neitiznot helm, cullinaromancer gloves 10 and Dragonfire shield is ages. Now we are getting the bandos helm, bandos kiteshield and bandos gloves. Also not to mention we are seeing potentially a new tier Mage set presumably just under vertus, magic amulet and ranged gloves and a new crossbow to boot. Let's not forget they said zaryte bows... Longbow and short bow?

 

wut even is a goliath gloves or a fighter helm or a chaotic kiteshield or a ddf?

Goliath gloves will be chaotic level crush weapons in EOC, but for now are great. Dragon defender is an offensive shield which is crap in my books both for live and EOC. Fighter hat I believe will be crap in EOC iirc and only serves as a mid level item. In live it's alright, but most helms float around the barrows grade stats. other than that the best helm in gane is neitiznot/fighter/veracs depending on what your doing. Regardless its still shoddy gear and leaves a big gap between torva helm. I admit I flubbed on the shield part, but I think my mind was more on the "drop, tradable or craftable" objects within the game.

 

 

[Ruinous Edge]

Well, no, I don't think the community will have much say in this regard. If anything, this is may be the manner in which Jagex can allow people to accuse botters, have the accused botter appear at Player gets accused of botting, is whisked away to "B-bay", and they have an opportunity to prove there's a real person behind the pixels. If it's not a bot or auto-clicker, it is cleared.

 

If it is - then purportedly the account gets banned.

 

I get accused of botting at least 5 times a day at lrc because I just stand around and fish and don't talk. Do you know how annoying that would be to constantly be interrupted?

I think it's more going to be if Jagex catch a bot with there anti-botting program they get sent to the bay, sending a player every time they get accused by another would be disastrous, I mean you could be accused just so someone could take your place at a training spot, or someone with a vendetta against you could keep sending you there all day long.

[Platinum_Myr]

Dragon defender is an offensive shield which is crap in my books both for live and EOC.

 

Offensive shield is actually great in live game. Maybe bad concept, but very powerful. Almost always want more offense than defense. Granted, in EoC it is bad because you can just use a proper dual wield item.

[Urza285]

I'm willing to bet that they'll use the old tutorial island as botany bay. On top of that I believe that players wont have any real say... I am fairly certain that it will be jagex system that condemns them. Then afterwards they get send though the botany bay. I would almost compare it to a medieval king who is certain of what he will do, but still asks his subjects whether to kill or enslave the person. In the end the king gets what he wants.

[Platinum_Myr]

I'm willing to bet that they'll use the old tutorial island as botany bay. On top of that I believe that players wont have any real say... I am fairly certain that it will be jagex system that condemns them. Then afterwards they get send though the botany bay. I would almost compare it to a medieval king who is certain of what he will do, but still asks his subjects whether to kill or enslave the person. In the end the king gets what he wants.

 

I think it's goal is to be a more public way so that players can't complain as easily that they are "doing nothing"

[Urza285]

I'm willing to bet that they'll use the old tutorial island as botany bay. On top of that I believe that players wont have any real say... I am fairly certain that it will be jagex system that condemns them. Then afterwards they get send though the botany bay. I would almost compare it to a medieval king who is certain of what he will do, but still asks his subjects whether to kill or enslave the person. In the end the king gets what he wants.

 

I think it's goal is to be a more public way so that players can't complain as easily that they are "doing nothing"

Generally the same thing in my mind... I mean honestly look at the earned content players will recieve... A burning pitchfork emote? Yeah I'm all for quelling the masses yet at the same time giving them what they think they want which is seeing the "execution" of a bot. Really I'm waiting for the first player who thinks they really assisted in anything other than reporting... Now thats laughable.