RAHK Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 There has been many comments that pkers killing people that skull from this bug should be banned. What so me and a few mates go to a multi area, start pking someone and before they die they skull. What if they did have auto retal, or they accidentaly attacked? No way, a ban for pking people ?? Thats ridiculous A ban for pking people WOULD be ridiculous. A ban for BUG ABUSE is not. If they are doing things to OBVIOUSLY cheat (i.e. running up to people and kicking them to see if they auto-retaliate) then they would obviously deserve to be banned. Being a pker doesn't give you special rights to be above the rules. Trust me when I say that you (not specifically you, the valor, or NON-cheating pkers) are not as "ub3r l33t" as you think you are. All bug abusers should be banned REGARDLESS of their excuse for abusing the bug or the location in which they do so. As a side note to the legit pkers: I don't like you. You make my green dragon killing and clue finding harder. BUT that does NOT mean that I don't respect what you do. Your "job" is much harder than, say, woodcutting. You have a lot more patience than I do because I have been pking 6 times TOTAL and found the xp horrible, the risk too great, and finding compatible adversaries too time consuming. I can understand the thrill of the hunt and would join in if I could handle the downtime involved. I HIGHLY doubt that the people posting here (including Leesters) consider themselves cheated because of getting "out manuevered" or "out skilled" or even "out smarted" by a legit pker. They feel cheated because the manner in which they lost their items was due to others cheating. We (non-pkers) may not like what you (legitimate pkers) do but we accept it and respect it (well most do). That being said if you try to pk me I will use every (legal) tool that I have to my advantage to kill you and/or escape as is my right. You do the same to kill me which I expect of you. :wink: ehh... pardon my ramblings people, I'm tired. :roll: PM me in game to use some skills of mine (glories/potions) free or to ask a question.Fire Cape - 04/29/06 Lvl 104RAHK's Pro PC Gear and Guide(clickable) Tired of hack and slash? FPSers getting old? Give this game a try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy87 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 There has been many comments that pkers killing people that skull from this bug should be banned. What so me and a few mates go to a multi area, start pking someone and before they die they skull. What if they did have auto retal, or they accidentaly attacked? No way, a ban for pking people ?? Thats ridiculous A ban for pking people WOULD be ridiculous. A ban for BUG ABUSE is not. If they are doing things to OBVIOUSLY cheat (i.e. running up to people and kicking them to see if they auto-retaliate) then they would obviously deserve to be banned. Being a pker doesn't give you special rights to be above the rules. Trust me when I say that you (not specifically you, the valor, or NON-cheating pkers) are not as "ub3r l33t" as you think you are. All bug abusers should be banned REGARDLESS of their excuse for abusing the bug or the location in which they do so. As a side note to the legit pkers: I don't like you. You make my green dragon killing and clue finding harder. BUT that does NOT mean that I don't respect what you do. Your "job" is much harder than, say, woodcutting. You have a lot more patience than I do because I have been pking 6 times TOTAL and found the xp horrible, the risk too great, and finding compatible adversaries too time consuming. I can understand the thrill of the hunt and would join in if I could handle the downtime involved. I HIGHLY doubt that the people posting here (including Leesters) consider themselves cheated because of getting "out manuevered" or "out skilled" or even "out smarted" by a legit pker. They feel cheated because the manner in which they lost their items was due to others cheating. We (non-pkers) may not like what you (legitimate pkers) do but we accept it and respect it (well most do). That being said if you try to pk me I will use every (legal) tool that I have to my advantage to kill you and/or escape as is my right. You do the same to kill me which I expect of you. :wink: ehh... pardon my ramblings people, I'm tired. :roll: 123, always their to make an "interesting" point, however it may be on the ropes technically, the pkers are FORCING bug abuse upon the "pkee" itd be like some1 pointing a gun to your head and telling you to rob a bank, you do it because you dont want to die, what you did was "technically" illegal, but id sure as hell do it to save my life. now the person here who is the real "bad guy" would be the guy forcing you to break the law against your will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAHK Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 There has been many comments that pkers killing people that skull from this bug should be banned. What so me and a few mates go to a multi area, start pking someone and before they die they skull. What if they did have auto retal, or they accidentaly attacked? No way, a ban for pking people ?? Thats ridiculous A ban for pking people WOULD be ridiculous. A ban for BUG ABUSE is not. If they are doing things to OBVIOUSLY cheat (i.e. running up to people and kicking them to see if they auto-retaliate) then they would obviously deserve to be banned. Being a pker doesn't give you special rights to be above the rules. Trust me when I say that you (not specifically you, the valor, or NON-cheating pkers) are not as "ub3r l33t" as you think you are. All bug abusers should be banned REGARDLESS of their excuse for abusing the bug or the location in which they do so. As a side note to the legit pkers: I don't like you. You make my green dragon killing and clue finding harder. BUT that does NOT mean that I don't respect what you do. Your "job" is much harder than, say, woodcutting. You have a lot more patience than I do because I have been pking 6 times TOTAL and found the xp horrible, the risk too great, and finding compatible adversaries too time consuming. I can understand the thrill of the hunt and would join in if I could handle the downtime involved. I HIGHLY doubt that the people posting here (including Leesters) consider themselves cheated because of getting "out manuevered" or "out skilled" or even "out smarted" by a legit pker. They feel cheated because the manner in which they lost their items was due to others cheating. We (non-pkers) may not like what you (legitimate pkers) do but we accept it and respect it (well most do). That being said if you try to pk me I will use every (legal) tool that I have to my advantage to kill you and/or escape as is my right. You do the same to kill me which I expect of you. :wink: ehh... pardon my ramblings people, I'm tired. :roll: 123, always their to make an "interesting" point, however it may be on the ropes technically, the pkers are FORCING bug abuse upon the "pkee" itd be like some1 pointing a gun to your head and telling you to rob a bank, you do it because you dont want to die, what you did was "technically" illegal, but id sure as hell do it to save my life. now the person here who is the real "bad guy" would be the guy forcing you to break the law against your will. The bug abusers are the pkers who cheat not the pkees who get cheated... PM me in game to use some skills of mine (glories/potions) free or to ask a question.Fire Cape - 04/29/06 Lvl 104RAHK's Pro PC Gear and Guide(clickable) Tired of hack and slash? FPSers getting old? Give this game a try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDude Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Just spoke to a Mod Ingame, Apparently It's not a "glitch" just a limitation. When you get attacked, only the x previous attackers get recognised, this number is probably very small (I'm guessing 5) This would explain why this "glitch" occurs. Imo this is easy to change, I guess they store the previous attackers in an array. (Previousattackers(x)) where x is the number that is stored, just change x to something else, simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceC Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Thanks for the warning Btw sorry for your lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urza1488 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Just spoke to a Mod Ingame, Apparently It's not a "glitch" just a limitation. When you get attacked, only the x previous attackers get recognised, this number is probably very small (I'm guessing 5) This would explain why this "glitch" occurs. Imo this is easy to change, I guess they store the previous attackers in an array. (Previousattackers(x)) where x is the number that is stored, just change x to something else, simple really. Dynamically sized please? :cry: That wouldn't do anything I think. Urza. The One. The Legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 im glad you posted this leesters, because after last night i was sure hot and angry enough too. I always enter the wild with auto-retailate off, because thats how tttia taught me how to pk or go into the wild for saftey reasons. because normally because if someone attacks me, i dont wanna run after them... i want to make this choice for myself. at first i noticed i was getting attacked by teams (black hide and whip) but never thought anything about it, as i assumed i was a threat to get the kill. so then me and some friends were out there, and another clan came . we were going to put up a fight, so i turned autoretailate on, so i coudl fight whatever noob attacked me first. well, i was attacked by 10-12 people and when i came back to falador. my inventory was empty. i was a tad bit shocked and put it together this is a bug i saw random 80's and 90's being attacked by one person then a group. usally people in dragon, barrows or people with whips/ rune. i watched 10-20 people die and lose MILLIONS in seconds, and i just laughed some in real life and said they probally misclicked because they have not been to the wilderness before. so when i died, someone who pk's alot and often, and is used to dying. i realized something was foul. so i head up to the wilderness in a dds and wizzard robes, and left auto attack on. sure enough i screamed "HALF KEY WOOT" and people took off weapons and punched me... they just kicked me to death..and i thought to myself "What the hell...why would they kick me?" so then i go back to the monster, and i see strange events. hordes of 70's 80's and even 110s would punch people during the fight to see if they fought back. then when they did not fight back , they would live. if they did fight back, they would be gang kicked. then after the skull the weapons came out.. i KNOW when you go into the wild there is a risk, but since rsc, you have been allowed to attack back in retalliation after being attacked. there is no way you can justify this is fair. auto-attack is the DEFAULT attack option when you play runescape, people who dont pk and went into the wild for the first time in this update were in for a RUDE awaking. you can say its that risk, but your supposed to keep your 3 best items if you do not earn a skull. you cant say a players deserver a skull for being kicked and punch to death. it is a humilating way to die. knowing your being kicked to death by players 40 levels lower than you, and knowing if you fight back, your going to lose your 3 items to pkers who risk nothing more then a dds to try to pk your stuff. i submitted a bug report to jagex, and got a cut and paste copy about its been noted, and to talk to all quest characters to try to fix my problem. thanks lesters, your the man, "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world."Abraham Lincoln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels2522 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 BEAWARE THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO GET AUTOSKULLED!!! if your in wild and a person atts and runs before you auto retaliate back you will get skulled!!!!!Haooedned to my friend yesterday went to go to chaos beast with his whip and only it and that happened he gt skulled then kileld !! Dont ask me why he didnt use item protect thoguh:oops: cause i dont really know but he lsot his whip so be careful while in wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulmox2 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Sadly, one of my friends tunk120 didn't know about this. He just wanted to have fun and went to the chaos elemental twice with full dharoks on and both times he was skulled not on purpose :( now he has quite runescape :( I"ll def send this link to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leesters Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 Sigh. This bug sucks, and I can tell they are not gonna fix it.... 1) Its been around forever, its been reported by thousands, and they haven't fixed it yet. 2) I sent a bug report, and they gave me the letter that paraphrases "We know its a bug" as opposed to the letter that says "No, this is not a bug" 3) Its nowhere to be listed on the recent bug report, and I know of at least 40 people that has sent in the same bug report. They're gonna ignore an old issue, and I hate it. This is the first time I've been disappointed in Jagex. I think its a CRUCIAL bug, which costs players big time. If they are not gonna fix it, then they should warn people of the "limitation" Fix this bug, or warn your players, Jagex! *sighs again* A circus in Runescape?? Oh my. REMEMBER RUNESCAPE KARMA! Be a nice player, and nice things will come back to you.I'm back, add me if you deleted me. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk2 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I spoke with paul today and asked him what the scoop was on this autoskull bug and he said it was fixed as of yesterday (wednesday). I should have taken a screenshot, but i'm on my new laptop and not used to screenies on here as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirkka Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 40,919th person to access Turmoil. 21,559th person to access Overloads. Are there any hidden bonuses here? No bonuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGuff1 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 This burns me up. First they deny there's a bug. Then they fix the non-existent bug and don't publicly announce it (as of yet)! Between this and the ranger "walk of death" bug I wonder if Jagex has outgrown their capability to develop a quality game. I'd rather have no new updates than to have serious problems like this potentially come up every time they add new content to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalKnight Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I thought this was fixed a long time ago. Thanks for the warning anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leesters Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 This burns me up. First they deny there's a bug. Then they fix the non-existent bug and don't publicly announce it (as of yet)! Between this and the ranger "walk of death" bug I wonder if Jagex has outgrown their capability to develop a quality game. I'd rather have no new updates than to have serious problems like this potentially come up every time they add new content to the game. From my perspective, this makes me very happy! No more auto-skull! I can fight back! I can take three good items! Pkers are gonna be all pissed off now, because they won't skull people, and we'll all be called "3-item noobs"! I can kill this warning! (First I'm gonna test it) I'm still suspicious that the conversation with "Paul" is a fake, and this is such a serious issue, I want to confirm it myself. Time to tease some clans! Anyone test this fix yet? A circus in Runescape?? Oh my. REMEMBER RUNESCAPE KARMA! Be a nice player, and nice things will come back to you.I'm back, add me if you deleted me. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meili Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Fixing it will probably ruin something else, probably make it that you never get skull or something even worse. I am not sure if it has been confirmed that it is "fixed" however, just making a comment. The Runescape Wilderness - Meili's Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodveld Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Anyone test this fix yet?I'll go bring 3 whips into the wildy and try it out now! [/sarcasm] Sorry about the sarcasm, I'm still a little sick. Why don't you do it leesters? If you say its true then everyone will believe it, if someone else says its true then they would have less creditability. :^_^: I drew that smilie, btw, along with a few more used by this site.Classic bloodveld for lyph3! Although I do like the new ones.Like a ninja, here I was, gone I am now.BUT! I may be back! Add my new account, Dr Bloodveld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirkka Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I'm still suspicious that the conversation with "Paul" is a fake, and this is such a serious issue, I want to confirm it myself. Time to tease some clans!The conversation is real, I had it with Paul myself. Paul really said that, it's another thing if the bug is really fixed. 40,919th person to access Turmoil. 21,559th person to access Overloads. Are there any hidden bonuses here? No bonuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leesters Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 Anyone test this fix yet?I'll go bring 3 whips into the wildy and try it out now! [/sarcasm] Sorry about the sarcasm, I'm still a little sick. Why don't you do it leesters? If you say its true then everyone will believe it, if someone else says its true then they would have less creditability. Yes, I'll be testing it myself, firsthand, tonight. I'll try to keep track of how big the clans are that attack me. I'll look for the biggest group of evil white dots in the multi. I'll let you know how many attackers the bug "fix" lets get after you until you skull up from retaliation. Supposedly, the game only remembered a small amount of ppl attacking you. Maybe they changed that number to 256. I hope so. I'll post results tomorrow. Pirkka, you're the bomb. I'm impressed you have Paul on your friends list. Could you ask for the introduction of a red cav hat, please? :P jk of course. A circus in Runescape?? Oh my. REMEMBER RUNESCAPE KARMA! Be a nice player, and nice things will come back to you.I'm back, add me if you deleted me. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetrak Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 This burns me up. First they deny there's a bug. Then they fix the non-existent bug and don't publicly announce it (as of yet)! Between this and the ranger "walk of death" bug I wonder if Jagex has outgrown their capability to develop a quality game. I'd rather have no new updates than to have serious problems like this potentially come up every time they add new content to the game. Keep in mind that they can't announce the bug to avoid that its users spread too quickly, they also try to keep it down by saying that this bug doesn't exist. Now that it's fixed, they can talk about since people won't be able to use it :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8ermaster Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 i watched a clan kick and hit a kid with flowers TODAY and watched him get a skull, fall over whipless :? fixed? i think not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Valor Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 im a lil bored of fletch, im gunna go test - My skills are now really, really lame ! Time to fix that! - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodveld Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I'm there right now, and the place is empty :? :^_^: I drew that smilie, btw, along with a few more used by this site.Classic bloodveld for lyph3! Although I do like the new ones.Like a ninja, here I was, gone I am now.BUT! I may be back! Add my new account, Dr Bloodveld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy87 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Anyone test this fix yet?I'll go bring 3 whips into the wildy and try it out now! [/sarcasm] Sorry about the sarcasm, I'm still a little sick. Why don't you do it leesters? If you say its true then everyone will believe it, if someone else says its true then they would have less creditability. Yes, I'll be testing it myself, firsthand, tonight. I'll try to keep track of how big the clans are that attack me. I'll look for the biggest group of evil white dots in the multi. I'll let you know how many attackers the bug "fix" lets get after you until you skull up from retaliation. Supposedly, the game only remembered a small amount of ppl attacking you. Maybe they changed that number to 256. I hope so. I'll post results tomorrow. Pirkka, you're the bomb. I'm impressed you have Paul on your friends list. Could you ask for the introduction of a red cav hat, please? :P jk of course. i might test this my self, and hey leesters :P i really enjoyed talkin to you lastnight sorry if i held you up on your runs. i really wished you had took my pots but hey i admire and respect independence. and if you wanna go out in the wildy and test this bug out and you need someone to tag along to help test and check just let me know, the least i could do for a good guy like your self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGuff1 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 and if you wanna go out in the wildy and test this bug out and you need someone to tag along to help test and check just let me know, the least i could do for a good guy like your self. Leesters, I'm in also if you need some friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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