Do YOU believe in God?

[Astralinre]

Today it has done nothing but devide many people.

 

 

 

Nothing at all? What about encouraging morality? What about providing hope? What about inspiring brotherly love? Just as an example, when hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, the Christian churches in the south responded overwhelmingly. You should have seen the churches filled to the brim with clothes and food for the refugees, the trucks loaded with men and women heading south to rebuild and serve food, and the love that was poured out for the victims. Surely you can't say that religion is all bad.

 

 

 

Just 150 years ago the Confederate States of America used religion to justify slavery and that resulted in one of the worst wars in American history.

 

 

 

Religion caused the American Civil War? Please pick up a history book, sir.

 

 

 

Scientific advancement in Europe during the 1st to the 15th centuraries was at a near stand still and because the church was going to /inprission/kill nearly anyne that counterd the bible in any way.

 

 

 

Science may not have advanced as quickly then as it did during the Scientific Revolution or in modern times, but it was hardly at a stand-still. The Middle Ages produced plenty of intellectual advancements and achievements in architechture (cathedrals), theology (Thomas Aquinas), literature (Dante's Divine Comedy), painting (tons of religious works of art), and learning (Both Cambridge and Oxford were established in the Middle Ages). We as moderns have this horrible tendancy to pretend as if nothing good was produced or thought of between the fall of Rome and Galileo.

 

 

 

I think that religion did play a huge part in early human history, but that was it. Religion helped man settle down and form stable societies, it provided man with an answer to the whys and hows. Religion was man's basic law, if their was no government then religion told man that if he killed, he get punnished. Religion's use ended around the time that an advanced government arose and were able to control it's citizens along with defend itself.

 

 

 

Hardly. Government and religion have coexisted throughout most of history. Sometimes they worked together, sometimes they fought, and sometimes they had nothing to do with each other, but it's incorrect to say that religion was first then died out when government came.

[Judobreaker]

I think that religion did play a huge part in early human history, but that was it. Religion helped man settle down and form stable societies, it provided man with an answer to the whys and hows. Religion was man's basic law, if their was no government then religion told man that if he killed, he get punnished. Religion's use ended around the time that an advanced government arose and were able to control it's citizens along with defend itself.

 

 

 

Advanced governments which can control and defend itself...?

 

Man, watch the news...

 

What about terrorism? The defense against it is still too low in many countries.

 

Wars? Everywere.

 

People that beat others to death when they don't like it when they have another opinion then they have? They can't seem to prevent it.

 

 

 

About all of our 'advanced' governments are incapable of keeping peace.

 

To me it seems they all just mess around.

 

Weirder laws every time, people can do things now that some time ago were seen like extreme crimes.

 

And when is something a crime?

 

People don't know anymore.

 

More and more laws get created, the mess keeps getting bigger.

 

 

 

If you take Gods laws, they are simple.

 

There's only 10 of them and they are totally clear, you know exactly when someone is wrong or not.

 

 

 

Of course I'm not saying to just throw away the whole government because some laws have to be made by people.

 

Not really because you can do something wrong, but just to keep things organised or stuff like that.

 

What I would love to see is a government that based his laws on those 10 laws.

 

That would mean that we can throw away a lot of laws, so it's not such a mess because of the huge amount of laws.

 

 

 

And believe me, these 10 laws cover really really much.

 

 

 

 

 

Why would God not exist, is anything that the bible says causing any wrong?

 

No.

 

In fact, if you'd read it you'd see that it would encourage people to do good things.

 

For example, God tells us to love everyone like you love yourself.

 

Do you know what would happen if people actually listened to this?

 

Imagine a world were people loved each and everyone alike, just as much as they love themselves.

 

There wouldn't be any racism, wars wouldn't exist, nobody would know what the word actually terrorism means, no more killing, and if you'd have a problem people would help you.

 

Wouldn't that be great?

 

All this, just by listening to 1 sentence in the Bible.

 

 

 

Now, I know this is not an ideal world, and there will always be people that create a mess.

 

But what if you started to listen to this, and you'd tell other people to listen to it.

 

You'd help out other people, therefore making them happy.

 

People would see that the way you help people is great and some of them might start to act the same.

 

Give it some time, and there will be more and more people in your environment doing this.

 

I don't know how you think about that but I think it would be friggin awesome!

 

And it would all be thanks to that single sentence in the Bible.

 

 

 

Now there's loads of examples like these.

 

The Bible is full of it.

 

This can't all be just thought up by someone.

 

Therefore I think the Bible is truely Gods word.

 

 

 

And believe me, there's also other kind of stuff in there that absolutely can't have been made up by someone at the time it was written.

 

If you want examples, just ask.

[wilsonsox]

Well, I havn't read a lot of this thread (there is so much of it!) and it's quite late. So I will just say what I think.

 

 

 

I do not believe in a God/big guy upstairs etc because I don't need to.

 

 

 

I believe that people look to religion as a way of answering questions that are hard to answer. For example:

 

Where did we come from? How was the world created? Where do we go when we die?

 

All these big questions have no answers and that scares people. People don't like to not know big things like this. SO people found a way of making sense of it all.

 

 

 

"Well if it wasn't created by anything we know of or can comprehend then it must be from a powerful creator of some sort"----> God.

 

 

 

People also don't like to think that life was created by accident and that none of this (existance) means anything, it makes people feel incignificant. Because of this many will believe that they were put here for a reason to serve a higher purpose.---->God

 

 

 

I on the other hand as the easy going 17yr old that I am aren't really bothered by these questions such the 3 big ones above and I see saying it was 'God' as taking the easy way out. The truth is no one knows the answers to any of these. Some believe in something imagined by them or portrayed to them and they find it easier to accept. While others, like me, are happy just to see where the flow takes us.

 

 

 

Something to ponder....

 

I think it's just like having an imaginary friend when you are little. At a time when the world is scary and confusing many kids create friends to help/guide them through.

 

Some people never let go but instead change the label.

 

 

 

 

 

and finally to answer the guy above saying that the bible is gods word.....they are good words yes, but just common sense and courtesy, no more.

 

 

 

Argh, off to bed now, it's 1am...if I wrote something stuoid or you have any questions for me to ponder the I'll check back on the 'morrow. :wink:

[Judobreaker]

So you're just saying that someone just made up the whole Bible?

 

There's knowledge in there that's only been discovered in the past few years...

 

The Bible is a lot older then that.

 

 

 

 

 

And what about people who don't like to have someone above them, people that want to lead their own life without having to listen to God?

 

They could've made up an 'accident' story.

 

You're assuming that there is no God and by that you're saying that people like me just don't want to be insignificant.

 

It could just as much be the other way around...

[richpoepaap]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

[cjwarrior65]

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

[pianofrieak2]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next! :roll:

[Tigra00]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next! :roll:

 

 

 

Neither are you, apparently.

 

 

 

Thou shalt not judge others, noob!

[Judobreaker]

Rofl, he got owned. :P

 

 

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Why only one of them, if you read the bible you'll see that there's God and there's Jesus, so I believe in both.

[WiEts0]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next! :roll:

 

 

 

Neither are you, apparently.

 

 

 

Thou shalt not judge others, noob!

 

+1

 

 

 

I believe whit my whole heart.

[richpoepaap]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next! :roll:

 

Since when does encouraging people to find God in their own way mean I'm not Christian? :roll: Christain God stands for open mind to everyone and their belief. It's the ones who don't believe that you have to try to convince there is a higher might.

 

I've read in the Bible, I think it's a book of great value. I simply don't think that everyone finds God in the same way.

 

Furthermore, I am Catholic. It's not that I disagree with some points that I am against the whole idea. I go to Church every sunday.

 

I do believe in Jezus and in what he said.

[pianofrieak2]

OK, I'm going to give you some Scriptures that prove my point and then leave. But before I do, let me address some of your points.

 

 

 

1. Going to church doesn't make you a Christian, just as being in a garage doesn't make you a car.

 

2. If you believe in Jesus and what He said, then you would see that He said he was the only way to heaven.

 

3. If you've read the Bible, you would see that Jesus is the only way to heaven: excluding everyone else.

 

 

 

Let me give you some Scriptures:

 

 

 

John 14:6, "Jesus said, 'I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'"

 

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not presh but have everlasting life."--believe in Jesus...no one or nothing else.

 

John 1:29, "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, 'Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.'"--not one Lamb of God but THE Lamb of God.

 

 

 

Now all of those are pretty exclusive. The first one is the most direct and is found that same way in all translations in all Scriptures. Now, I don't see how anyone can say that there are other ways to heaven and still be a Christian. Jesus was pretty exclusive.

[Unitedite]

So much misinformation in this thread :(

 

 

 

Ah well, Agnosticism ftw.

[Tigra00]

I ponder why Pianofreak skips over my comments and decides to just quote scripture. Just like going to church doesn't make you a Christian, and being in a garage doesn't make you a car (silly analogy), quoting scripture doesn't make you a man nor woman of God. It makes you a quoter of the Bible. Big deal. I could quote the Bible all day long, but I'm surely not religious.

 

 

 

You judged others in your previous comments. The Bible specifically says this is reserved for God himself *ONLY* to do. God is the only one who can judge someone. Got that? Okay.

 

 

 

Christians as a whole religion (no offense guys, I know a lot of you are very decent) are some of the most judgemental people you will ever meet. They judge others in the name of God, believing that "Jesus" has empowered them to do such. I find this interesting, considering God himself, as the Second Commandment said that worshipping anyone but God himself was not to be done. These days, Jesus is worshipped more-so than God himself.

 

 

 

Believe what you wish, but the second you judge someone based on their beliefs because they're not the same as yours, you might as well not be religious at all, because it's in vein. I mean what could you possibly say to God when he says "So...I see you judged thousands of people in your life-time, care to explain why you feel to be more powerful than myself?" when you die? You'd be so screwed... :P

[pianofrieak2]

I ponder why Pianofreak skips over my comments and decides to just quote scripture. Just like going to church doesn't make you a Christian, and being in a garage doesn't make you a car (silly analogy), quoting scripture doesn't make you a man nor woman of God. It makes you a quoter of the Bible. Big deal. I could quote the Bible all day long, but I'm surely not religious.

 

 

 

I think we've totally destroyed this topic here, but I don't like it when people slam me, especially when they claim to be so accepting of others.

 

 

 

Now, you say "quoting Scripture doesn't make you a man or woman of God." Did I ever claim to be one?

 

 

 

No.

 

 

 

But I am quoting the Scripture to prove my point, which, ironically, goes against yours. And you claim to be a Christian? Perhaps not, but at least my view is Scriptural. *gasp*

 

 

 

You judged others in your previous comments. The Bible specifically says this is reserved for God himself *ONLY* to do. God is the only one who can judge someone. Got that? Okay.

 

 

 

Are we not to test the spirits? That's in the Scripture. Now, no offense, but that sure sounds like judging to me. Are we not to judge truth? Hmm...interesting statements you just said.

 

 

 

God is the only one that can judge one's HEART. Man can only see the outward appearance and actions. I can only base my views of others on their actions and beliefs. Based on your stated beliefs, which do not agree with Scripture, I would say you are not a Christian.

 

 

 

Not being mean. Not condemning you to hell. Not name-calling or calling you stupid. Just pointing out the obvious.

 

 

 

Christians as a whole religion (no offense guys, I know a lot of you are very decent) are some of the most judgemental people you will ever meet. They judge others in the name of God, believing that "Jesus" has empowered them to do such. I find this interesting, considering God himself, as the Second Commandment said that worshipping anyone but God himself was not to be done. These days, Jesus is worshipped more-so than God himself.

 

 

 

I'm judgemental? Aren't you judging me?

 

 

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

God said that worshipping anyone but Himself is wrong. But Jesus is God. So if I'm worshipping Jesus, why would I not be worshipping God, of whom Jesus was a reflection of in this Earth. :?

 

 

 

Believe what you wish, but the second you judge someone based on their beliefs because they're not the same as yours, you might as well not be religious at all, because it's in vein. I mean what could you possibly say to God when he says "So...I see you judged thousands of people in your life-time, care to explain why you feel to be more powerful than myself?" when you die? You'd be so screwed... :P

 

 

 

Now I'm judgemental and going to hell...

 

 

 

All from a person who doesn't believe in judging people? I'm sorry, but I seem to see some hypocrisy going on here.

 

 

 

Secondly, I don't judge someone based on their beliefs. I merely compare them to Scripture. That's all I did!

 

 

 

Please...if you're going to claim tolerance and acceptance, then please at least be like that in all things. Don't make me an exception. :wink:

[Tigra00]

I never claimed to be accepting, nice, or most importantly, a Christian. Never once. I actually said I *wasn't*. Good reading job, skip.

 

 

 

Also, I wasn't judging you, but say I was...That means nothing to me. I can judge you all I wish, because I don't claim to be a Christian as you do. I have ZERO fear of Hell, you obviously do, so you shouldn't be judging, should you?

[pianofrieak2]

I never claimed to be accepting, nice, or most importantly, a Christian. Never once. I actually said I *wasn't*. Good reading job, skip.

 

 

 

You remarked about me judging people, you said stuff about Scripture and the Christian God...forgive me for assuming you were a Christian.

 

 

 

Also, I wasn't judging you, but say I was...That means nothing to me. I can judge you all I wish, because I don't claim to be a Christian as you do. I have ZERO fear of Hell, you obviously do, so you shouldn't be judging, should you?

 

 

 

As a Christian, I can judge your statements with the truth of Scripture. I can't judge whether or not you are going to heaven, and I should be careful about myimpressions of people since they can be wrong. But at least know what you're talking about before you start making assumptions about my belief and about Scripture.

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

BTW, your fear of hell IS warranted. But since you seem to be so confident in your beliefs, I'm not going to debate you.

 

 

 

 

 

And quit assuming things about me. If you want to know what I believe, read the Bible. That way you don't have to assume! :wink:

[No_OnE]

Is god going send you to hell for believing in science? Also do you really want to be at the same place for many trillions of years with the same people, wouldnt you get bored?

 

 

 

You wouldn't get bored because Heaven is supposed to be a complete utopia. You won't have any of the bad feelings because God has purified Heaven of those feelings...

 

 

 

Still, there is nothing wrong with believing science. I just prefer to believe that after I die, I will be able to see all my friends / family in Heaven and not just be buried in a ground there just be nothing.

[geohood]

This is a good thing to read about heaven.

 

 

 

It cant be comprehended by humans. Heck, the first thing I thought when I heard of living eternally is "wont I get bored? :oops: "

 

 

 

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"Joy is the business of heaven." -C.S. Lewis

 

 

 

What will heaven be like? And what will we be like when we get there? The Bible really doesn't go into specifics about heaven. Why? Because "eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him" (1 Cor 2:9). Our minds simply cannot comprehend the glory that awaits us.

 

 

 

But while it's true we don't know the details about heaven, the Bible does give us a general idea. What we discover is absolutely mind- blowing!

 

 

 

WHAT WE WILL BE LIKE

 

"Dear friends, now we are children of God and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when He appears, we shall be like Him." (1 John 3:2)

 

When we enter heaven will be changed physically and spiritually. John tells us we will be like Jesus. What will that be like? Here are a few things the Bible tells us:

 

 

 

1) WE WILL NO LONGER SIN

 

"He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ." (Phil 1:6) In heaven Jesus will remove our sinful nature and complete making us new creations. Imagine you have a computer program that has problems (Ha! Not too hard to imagine that, is it). But then the new version comes out and everything that is good about the program is left in but everything bad is fixed -- and not only that, but many great new features are added. That's what we will be like in heaven.

 

2) WE WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF PHYSICS

 

In John 20:19,26 we find Jesus walking through walls and locked doors to reach the disciples. Elsewhere in the Bible we read about angels that appear and disappear. We will be able to travel anywhere instantly.

 

3) WE WILL STILL EAT AND TOUCH

 

We will be able to walk through solid objects and still be able to touch and eat like Jesus did in John 20:27 and John 21:10-15. Paul tells us that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven" (1 Cor. 15:50), so eating will be done for pleasure and not necessity And Revelation 22:2 tells us that in heaven there will be a tree of life that bears twelve different kinds of fruit each month. Some think that there may be a feast each month when this tree blooms and a time of great fellowship as we gather around to share a meal together.

 

4) WE WILL NEVER BE SICK AGAIN

 

We currently live in a fallen, imperfect world. People get sick, suffer and die. In heaven that won't be true. God tells us in heaven there will "no longer be any curse" (Rev. 22:3). And Revelation 21:4 tells us: "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Heaven will be a world where, "the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. And the lame will leap like a deer, and the mute tongue will shout for joy" (Isaiah 35:5- 6). There will be no more suffering in heaven.

 

5) WE WILL RECOGNIZE ONE ANOTHER

 

You can read Matthew 17:3 for a little insight here. Moses and Elijah appear and talk with Jesus. Peter recognizes both of them even though they both lived many years before him. In heaven, we will know not only our loved ones but everyone else that is there!

 

6) WE WILL HAVE DEEPER RELATIONSHIPS

 

There will be no marriage in heaven (Matthew 22:30). The reason is that relationships will be much deeper than anything on earth. Remember that we'll be free from sin. Relationships will be pure and free of doubt, jealousy and gossip.

 

Love, joy and peace -- in heaven we will experience these things the way they were meant to be. We can only experience them in part now. While it's true we love and have joy and peace on earth, we don't fully experience them because we also know what it is to hate, grieve, and have trouble. In heaven, when these things are removed, we will love and rejoice and be at peace completely.

 

 

 

WHAT HEAVEN WILL BE LIKE

 

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the Throne saying, 'Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be his people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.' He who was seated on the Throne said, 'I am making everything new!'" - Revelation 21:1-4

 

1) WE WILL LIVE IN NEW JERUSALEM

 

Revelation 21:2-3 tells us we will have a new home called "New Jerusalem". Jerusalem means, "city of peace". This New Jerusalem is massive! It will be about 1,500 miles wide, 1,500 miles long, and 1,500 miles high. (Revelation 21:15-16). That would make this huge city roughly the size of the moon. The city will have 12 gates with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel written on them. The foundation will be twelve layers to it with the names of the twelve apostles written on them. (Revelation 21:12-17)

 

And the entire city will be made of gold and jewels.

 

 

 

The walls will be made of pure diamond and the city of pure gold - clear as glass (Revelation 21:18). The foundation will be filled with precious stones (Revelation 21:19-21). As God dwells in this city, the light from His glory will shine through these stones producing a brilliant rainbow of colors! Can you imagine such a sight?

 

 

 

2) WE WILL BE WITH CHRIST

 

More important than anything else is the fact that we will be with our Lord forever. From His throne flows the River of Life. It will be perfect, clear as crystal. And we will see Him face to face (Revelation 22:4). We shall worship Him and be His people and He will be our God.

 

When we see Christ face to face His presence will dominate heaven the same way the sun dominates the hot summer sky. If heaven had streets of gold, precious gems, and angels singing overhead but no Jesus then we wouldn't even notice those other things. Because just as the sun illuminates the summer sky, so the glory of Christ illuminates all of heaven.

 

 

 

We will be able to talk to Him, ask Him questions, and listen to Him speak. Imagine hearing His voice - the Bible says it will be "like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder (Revelation 14:2). Imagine the stories He'll tell, the lessons He'll teach, the love He'll share.

 

 

 

Jesus gives us the best description of heaven in Revelation 21 and 22. What's so wonderful about it is Jesus' excitement. You can sense that He longs to share heaven with us. When you get to heaven He will smile, put His arms around you, and say, "All this I have prepared for you because I love you. Enjoy my fellowship!"

 

 

 

Then we will live happily ever after forever and ever with our God, Savior and Friend.

 

 

 

"When weÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve been there ten thousand years,

 

Bright shining as the sun,

 

WeÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve no less days to sing GodÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s praise

 

Than when weÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢d first begun."

 

 

 

 

 

HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN...

 

Heaven is God's home. God is perfect and so heaven is perfect. Nothing imperfect can ever enter heaven (Revelation 22:14-15).

 

Romans 3:23 says, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

 

 

 

But God has provided a way to bridge the gap between us and Him...

 

 

 

John 3:16 tells us this, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, Jesus Christ, whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."

 

 

 

Jesus died on the cross for your sins and mine. He took your punishment for sinning. He died for your sins so you wouldn't have to. Now He offers forgiveness to you. All you have to do is acknowledge you are a sinner, and that Jesus, the Son of God, died in your place, and accept Him as your Savior. You can accept Jesus as Savior by praying this prayer:

 

 

 

Lord, I realize that I am a sinner. Thank you for sending your Son, Jesus, to die on the cross for my sins. I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior now. Please show me your will and help me become the person you want me to be. Amen.

[insane]

I ponder why Pianofreak skips over my comments and decides to just quote scripture. Just like going to church doesn't make you a Christian, and being in a garage doesn't make you a car (silly analogy), quoting scripture doesn't make you a man nor woman of God. It makes you a quoter of the Bible. Big deal. I could quote the Bible all day long, but I'm surely not religious.

 

 

 

You judged others in your previous comments. The Bible specifically says this is reserved for God himself *ONLY* to do. God is the only one who can judge someone. Got that? Okay.

 

 

 

The Bible states that Christians are not to judge non-believers.

 

 

 

However, the Bible says very clearly that Christians acting immorally are to be judged extremely harshly by their fellow-Christians, to get them back in line. The Apostle Paul even goes so far in one of his letters to ask "why have you not excluded this man from your church yet?" (he was having sex with his fathers wife and he was extremely proud of it).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christians as a whole religion (no offense guys, I know a lot of you are very decent) are some of the most judgemental people you will ever meet. They judge others in the name of God, believing that "Jesus" has empowered them to do such. I find this interesting, considering God himself, as the Second Commandment said that worshipping anyone but God himself was not to be done. These days, Jesus is worshipped more-so than God himself.

 

 

 

Agreed to your first comment - but your second, Christ is regarded as God in human flesh - therefore, worshipping Christ is worshipping God.

[bjbj1991]

geohood, Givin the choice of mortality and imortality, I would pick the first. I still see the afterlife as an atempt to excape from death by humans.

[pianofrieak2]

 

The Bible states that Christians are not to judge non-believers.

 

 

 

Where does it say that? I don't doubt you but haven't ever heard of that before. Could you give me a Scripture?

[Guest User]

Wow... this is a rather heated debate topic in the world these days. Some saying "God" existed, and everything the Bible says is true. Others say no! There's no proof. The argument will never get anywhere... Intelligent design vs. evolution.. that is... Both have good arguments, both of which have never been prooved scientifically. Some prove it with the Bible...saying it is proof enough...Well that is also what every other religion in the world says. Evolution, has never been prooved either...with Darwin himself stating doubts in it. My opinion...the Bible was written by man, and therefore says what man wanted it to say...an interpretation of God's word. Evolution and God could be right together. Something is there...but what that something is, is still to be found out. :D

[bjbj1991]

Wow... this is a rather heated debate topic in the world these days. Some saying "God" existed, and everything the Bible says is true. Others say no! There's no proof. The argument will never get anywhere... Intelligent design vs. evolution.. that is... Both have good arguments, both of which have never been prooved scientifically. Some prove it with the Bible...saying it is proof enough...Well that is also what every other religion in the world says. Evolution, has never been prooved either...with Darwin himself stating doubts in it. My opinion...the Bible was written by man, and therefore says what man wanted it to say...an interpretation of God's word. Evolution and God could be right together. Something is there...but what that something is, is still to be found out. :D

 

 

 

Sorry but their is no proof for ID and Evolution does. Darwin lived over a hundred years ago at a time when virtualy none believed in his theory so it is understandable if he questioned it. In the passed 100 years we have discoverd DNA, proof of the Big Bang, far more completed fossil record, how the building blocks of life could have formed, the building blocks of life, hundreds of plannets orbiting other stars, the power of the atom, fission, fussion, how the sun works, the age of the earth, radiation, space travel, set foot on the moon, and hundreds of other peices of evidence.

[pianofrieak2]

Sorry but their is no proof for ID and Evolution does. Darwin lived over a hundred years ago at a time when virtualy none believed in his theory so it is understandable if he questioned it. In the passed 100 years we have discoverd DNA, proof of the Big Bang, far more completed fossil record, how the building blocks of life could have formed, the building blocks of life, hundreds of plannets orbiting other stars, the power of the atom, fission, fussion, how the sun works, the age of the earth, radiation, space travel, set foot on the moon, and hundreds of other peices of evidence.

 

 

 

Until insane responds...let me remark on this.

 

 

 

1. DNA-how does that prove evolution?

 

2. Big Bang proof--hmm...where did the stuff for the Big Bang come from?

 

3. Fossil Record-Actually, there is far less proof than there should be. Colin Patterson, the senior paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History said he would have included any known transitionary fossils in his book "evolution". He included 0. :?

 

4. Building Blocks of life-Miller/Urey experiment? That's easy to disprove, but I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.

 

5. Planets orbiting stars? Proves what?

 

6. Power of Atom-huh?

 

7. Fission/Fusion/how the sun works-evolution? Does what?

 

8. Age of earth-pure guesswork

 

9. Radiation-It's hard to use carbon-dating since we have no idea how much carbon was in the original earth. We're ASSUMING the amount of Carbon has remained the same...but wait...it disintegrates...

 

10. Space Travel/Set foot on moon-Actually, the astronauts had to jump down to the moon because, according to our theories about the age of the universe, there would have been over 3' of moon dust. In actuality, there was a few inches. So they had to jump down. ???