Do YOU believe in God?

[Rebdragon]

Double posting ftw :roll: .

[Rebdragon]

http://www.evilbible.com

 

 

 

Yes, I hate the name too, but it contains some very interesting discussions about the Bible that I actually agree with. Just check it out, you may learn something.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

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1. DNA is the mechanism for change. It proves that people change from one generation to the next, that's the very definition of evolution.

 

2. Big bang explains the expansion and mass distribution of the universe and the theory explains that fine. Where stuff comes from isn't a question of the big bang, it probably isn't even a question for science.

 

3.

 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html documents a lot of information about transitional fossils from a wide variety of sources. Feel free to disprove it, I have a feeling you won't be though.

 

4. Miller-Urey proved its hypothesis; you can create amino acids from lightning and chemicals. It never was used as a theory to explain the creation of life. It might be a step towards explaining the beginning but it definitely isn't anywhere near the solution.

 

5. Planets orbiting stars disproves what was stated in the bible, that the sun revolving around the earth with the Earth standing.

 

6. Dunno either, maybe we know a lot more about chemical reactions and how they work compared to hundred of years ago?

 

7. There plenty of proof for stellar evolution (the physics lab presentation I done last week was based on this), however this is different to biological evolution so I don't know why this was mentioned.

 

8. Where on Earth did you get the idea that the age of the Earth is guess work? If you ignore geological aging etc. there is one thing which you canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t get rid of, the sun. If we can calculate the age of the sun, we can calculate the age of the Earth which is in the region of billions of years.

 

9. You know there are other radioactive isotopes apart from Carbon? These can also be used for dating. Just because we don't know how much of an isotope there was, we can still get a ball park figure. You never see anyone age something to the exact year, its always hundreds of thousands or millions of years; its an approximation.

 

10. http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v7/i1/moondust.asp this creationist report (scroll to conclusions if you want) disproves what you said. The whole point is moot anyway since they knew how much dust was on the moon before they had people there.

 

 

 

While the person you quoted didnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t really explain themselves properly, you just took it a step further and spouted out your ignorance to what really happens around you. You continually put forward arguments which have been disproved for decades and could have been cleared up if you bothered to do a little research before you post; Come off it this is tired and repeated discussion, you should know better then this.

[usernat]

Yes i do believe in God.

 

However, I do not think that I need to argue with other people over the topic. I don't think anyone is ever going to change anyones stance on the topic and ends up just flaming.

 

 

 

So.. meh!

[darkmage099]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next! :roll:

 

 

 

who are you to say they are not Christian? (I am not a Christian but i do believe in god) You are not god. Just because they dont meet your standards of a Christian doesnt mean they arent.

 

 

 

 

 

I also dont think Jesus was a god, I sort of believe he was a mortal man. If he wasnt (I havent read the Bible so chill if im wrong about this), then he wouldnt have died. Isnt it impossible for a god to die? The way I see it is that the Christians went wrong when they worshipped Jesus more than God.

[Guest GhostRanger]

who are you to say they are not Christian? (I am not a Christian but i do believe in god) You are not god. Just because they dont meet your standards of a Christian doesnt mean they arent.

 

 

 

It's not that he is judging the faith of him. His point is that in order to be a Christian there are certain things you have to do. For instance, to be an American you have to either be born in America, or live in America for so long and apply for citizenship. Just saying "I'm American" when you were born and live in Britain doesnt' make you American. Just the same goes for being a Christian. The Bible is very clear that to be a Christian, you have to accept Jesus as your one true savior and believe there is only one God. If you don't do these things, you aren't a Christian - you are something else.

 

 

 

 

 

I also dont think Jesus was a god, I sort of believe he was a mortal man. If he wasnt (I havent read the Bible so chill if im wrong about this), then he wouldnt have died. Isnt it impossible for a god to die? The way I see it is that the Christians went wrong when they worshipped Jesus more than God.

 

 

 

I know you haven't read the Bible so I'll explain it from a Christian perspective. According to Christians, when Jesus came down, he came in the body of a mortal man. His soul was never killed, only his weak human body. To show that he is indeed divine, he rose from the dead and continued on. His divine spirit was never killed, only his mortal body.

[Rebdragon]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next! :roll:

 

 

 

who are you to say they are not Christian? (I am not a Christian but i do believe in god) You are not god. Just because they dont meet your standards of a Christian doesnt mean they arent.

 

 

 

I also dont think Jesus was a god, I sort of believe he was a mortal man. If he wasnt (I havent read the Bible so chill if im wrong about this), then he wouldnt have died. Isnt it impossible for a god to die? The way I see it is that the Christians went wrong when they worshipped Jesus more than God.

 

Lol, his standards? Sorry, that just made me laugh :lol: . Christians believe we get to heaven through the forgiveness, yada yada, of Jesus, so saying that you're finding your own path means you're not a real Christian. He's right :P .

 

 

 

I believe you're taking a Jewish standpoint on the Jesus issue stating that he was a mortal man, a regular teacher, not God. Gota agree with you on that one :wink: .

[bull912000]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next! :roll:

 

 

 

who are you to say they are not Christian? (I am not a Christian but i do believe in god) You are not god. Just because they dont meet your standards of a Christian doesnt mean they arent.

 

 

 

I also dont think Jesus was a god, I sort of believe he was a mortal man. If he wasnt (I havent read the Bible so chill if im wrong about this), then he wouldnt have died. Isnt it impossible for a god to die? The way I see it is that the Christians went wrong when they worshipped Jesus more than God.

 

Lol, his standards? Sorry, that just made me laugh :lol: . Christians believe we get to heaven through the forgiveness, yada yada, of Jesus, so saying that you're finding your own path means you're not a real Christian. He's right :P .

 

 

 

I believe you're taking a Jewish standpoint on the Jesus issue stating that he was a mortal man, a regular teacher, not God. Gota agree with you on that one :wink: .

 

 

 

Jesus DID die, but he rose again, which is one of the greatest points in christianity and is what seperates christianity from other religions.

 

 

 

Another quaral, did God create evil? :shock: He created everything, and evil is something.

 

 

 

Why do I belive god created evil? I think that evil is a test. It is like a filter that seperates men who do not belive in god.

 

 

 

I find proof of this in the story of Adam and Eve. God MUST have created them knowing they were to do wrong. Why would he create man to make there own choice weather or not to do evil? It's like this: If you have a cat that you hug and love too tightly, the cat realy doesn't love you back. It is forced to do what you want it to do. However, if we have our own choice and chose to love god, that is real love and not forced love.

 

 

 

 

 

Back to the topic of evalution: The problem of evalution is not man coming from monkeys, but man coming from nothing without god.

 

 

 

(Whew. That has to be my largest non-story thread yet.)

[bull912000]

Oy, double post.

[bull912000]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

I don't see how he doesn't have a christian standpoint. Christianity should not be based whether you are Puritain, Cathlic, ect.; but it is based on wether or not you believe in Jesus and that he saved you. I happen to aggree with him. When Jesus was crucified, the veil to the holy of holies (where only priests could go once a year) of the Jewish temple was ripped from top to bottom (meaning it was ripped by god). That symblized that everyone had direct communication to got through Jesus. The only part that I would change would be that everyone can find there own path to god THROUGH JESUS.

 

 

 

According to the catholic church, you must tell the preists your sins before they can be forgivin. They also require you to fast every year. I beleive that religious acts like fasting should be decided by the person wether to do or not. Its like the cat in the above post. If you force it to love, it's not really love.

 

 

 

 

 

I am not trying to say that the catholic church is wrong, I am just stating my beliefs.

 

 

 

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My next statement is on how we see god as. My beliefe is this: god is omnipresent, which means he is everywhere. He is on earth, in heaven, and everywhere in between. The only exeption is hell (Hell in a litteral since, so not a curse word). The worst part of hell, in fact, is not the tourchering (which I don't know exist, I havn't done a study on hell yet), but the absence of god.

 

 

 

Back to the point. I believe that god is everything and is in nothing. He is all knowing (he knew that Adam and Eve would sin in the garden) and all powerful.

[pianofrieak2]

LOl, bull, you've made 3 posts in a row.

 

 

 

I'm trying to let this post die, as is everyone else by now, so if you'd like to know why I, as a follower of Jesus, disagree with your statement, then please pm me. Otherwise, it kind of seems as though you're talking to the air.

 

 

 

If you know what I mean.

 

 

 

Anyway, please just let this topic die. I think it's ready to be out of here, but if you'd like to know my viewpoint, then just please pm me.

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

-pianofrieak2

[bull912000]

I do believe this thread is still very active. My first post and the post above mine is only 45 minutes apart; not very long in tip.it forum time.

[chikensr0ck]

For all we know we are like that episode of Star Trek TNG. When this 4 billion year old alien race sent there DNA to planets scattered around the universe. This as they said gave us the same shap body they had.

 

Or we could be created by a "god"

 

Or we could have eveolved into what we are today.

 

 

 

I personally believe the third one. Ever since i relised how much the bible contradicts itself. One time it contradicts itself is with the story of Jonah. If we have free will god should have let Jonah go but no he forced him to do his bidding.

 

Also there are many many gospels. Not just the four we have in todays bible. If divine inspiration is true which gospel writers did it effect. For all we know the fout gospels many people belive in are false. Maybe the gospel of Judas is the one true gospel.

 

By the way Gospel means the good knews.

 

Oh and i dont believe in "god".

[jackalope14]

For me, I see to many signs that a God exists. I can see it in everything.

 

BUT, I do not agree with some points in the Catholic Church. I stand for a Christian belief where everyone can find their own path to God. For some the Catholic Church, and it's rules etc...will be the good path. For others, it might not be. I can also assure you that I do not believe in this to make an easy answer. It's even by thinking about these things on my own that I found these answers.(for me) I also don't think God as a big old looking guy up in the sky :?

 

And is it bad to believe in a God?

 

Are you gullible if you do so?

 

Has science come up with all the answers by now?

 

NO.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

I am a christian, but I am not sure I believe in an actual god, or jesus. I listen to the teachings, and ten commandments, because they teach you how to live life morally and well.

 

 

 

Not a Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next! :roll:

 

 

 

who are you to say they are not Christian? (I am not a Christian but i do believe in god) You are not god. Just because they dont meet your standards of a Christian doesnt mean they arent.

 

 

 

 

 

I also dont think Jesus was a god, I sort of believe he was a mortal man. If he wasnt (I havent read the Bible so chill if im wrong about this), then he wouldnt have died. Isnt it impossible for a god to die? The way I see it is that the Christians went wrong when they worshipped Jesus more than God.

 

 

 

He is right. You can't just say you dont believe in Jesus or you think there are different ways to get to God other than Jesus. The Bible says that you have to believe that and if you dont then you arnt a Christian because you simply dont belive in Christian beliefs.

 

[chikensr0ck]

Umm bull912000 god made Adam and Eve to have free will. They were perfect in a sense. They were unknowledeable so they didnt know what was bad or what was right. They could have believed in god and they did. But they ate the apple from the tree of knowledge. That let them distinguish between good and wrong. Then god came down and went you ate the apple!!! and kicked them out.

 

Oh and god did create evil. He created Lucifer the greatest of all angels and Lucifer went why we listening to you ya big idiot. Then he rebelled agianst god and god went shut up foo. Then he sent him to the middle of the earth into the flames with all the angles that followed him. and Lucifer became the antechrist.

[donutjunkie]

i do not believe in god, i do think, or would like to think that death is not the end but i do not believe there is a god

 

 

 

during the black plague the church said that if you were a good christian you would not die -- many priests died

 

 

 

when noah built that ark it was to protect everything from the flood, he took 7 women, or 8 or something, but anyway all the people in england could be traced back to 9 women

 

 

 

when noah built his ark, correct me if im wrong but it was to protect people from the flood, which was caused by all the rain falling at the same time,

 

scientifically if all the rain fell the sea level would rise by only 12 centimentres, i am not certain of this but i am sure the maximum it would rise is 1 metre

 

 

 

when the telescope was invented they found out that the sun was in the middle of the universe, or the galaxy or whatever, the church says it is the earth in the middle.

 

 

 

according to the bible god created man on the 7th day ... what happened to the millions of years?

 

 

 

not sure about this but apparently all the animals were alive when the dinosaurs were, why would they survive the big comet hitting the earth?

 

 

 

i dont think that because there is no proof god does not exist, in hitch hikers guide to the galaxy god says: without faith i am nothing, so i guess you must have faith, but with growing evidence it is a little hard to believe

 

 

 

religion is in many ways an exuse to be kept under control by your leader.

 

ie: many wars were created because it was "god's will"

 

if you do crime you will go to "hell"

 

 

 

the only reason i see to join a religion was to escape going to hell, since when was not believing evil?

 

 

 

thats my two cents

[usernat]

when noah built that ark it was to protect everything from the flood, he took 7 women, or 8 or something, but anyway all the people in england could be traced back to 9 women

 

 

 

 

Actauly he took His wife and himself and their 3 sons and their wifes

[malo2]

I can think of a million reasons why religon is a bunch of bs. like the thread starter said, some wacko could have wrote the bible thousands of years ago and then somone just picked it up and thought everything there was true. Now humans thousands of years ago werent very smart, but its already year 2006! why are some people still believing in a book they have no clue about?

 

 

 

altho im seeing that alot of people, (espechially the next generation [teens]) no longer really belive this bs, which puts a smile on my face because less time and energy will be wasted on this pointless crap that has done nothing but cost billions of lives over thousands of years.

[bull912000]

i do not believe in god, i do think, or would like to think that death is not the end but i do not believe there is a god

 

 

 

1.) during the black plague the church said that if you were a good christian you would not die -- many priests died

 

 

 

2.) when noah built that ark it was to protect everything from the flood, he took 7 women, or 8 or something, but anyway all the people in england could be traced back to 9 women

 

 

 

3.) when noah built his ark, correct me if im wrong but it was to protect people from the flood, which was caused by all the rain falling at the same time, scientifically if all the rain fell the sea level would rise by only 12 centimentres, i am not certain of this but i am sure the maximum it would rise is 1 metre

 

 

 

4.) when the telescope was invented they found out that the sun was in the middle of the universe, or the galaxy or whatever, the church says it is the earth in the middle.

 

 

 

5.) according to the bible god created man on the 7th day ... what happened to the millions of years?

 

 

 

6.) not sure about this but apparently all the animals were alive when the dinosaurs were, why would they survive the big comet hitting the earth?

 

 

 

i dont think that because there is no proof god does not exist, in hitch hikers guide to the galaxy god says: without faith i am nothing, so i guess you must have faith, but with growing evidence it is a little hard to believe

 

 

 

7.) religion is in many ways an exuse to be kept under control by your leader.

 

ie: many wars were created because it was "god's will"

 

if you do crime you will go to "hell"

 

 

 

the only reason i see to join a religion was to escape going to hell, since when was not believing evil?

 

 

 

thats my two cents

 

 

 

1.) At that same time, christians believed in whiches, which the bible says there were none. Hence, there religious views were entirely different.

 

 

 

2.) (answered by tpam)

 

 

 

3.)After reviewing the bible on Noahs flood, I find that it never says the ENTIRE earth flooded. Also, it might have not been litteral rain. The area where Noah lived is possibly the present day black sea. If you notice, it is connected to the medeteranian by a very thin strip of water surrounded by mountains. It is possible that the Mediteranian might have been held up by the mountains that use to be where the thin strip of water is. This means the flood was possibly more of a dam burst than a flash flood.

 

 

 

On that note, this is also possibly why the bible says it had never rained before. It could be translated into "The water had not burst through before.

 

 

 

4.) See number 1.

 

 

 

5.) First of all, god created man on the 6th day. Second, the bible says 10,000 years in heavan is like one second on earth, and one second in heaven is like 10,000 years on earth. In other words, the word "day" doesn't mean a litteral day.

 

 

 

6.) There was no scientific proof that there was a comet that hit the earth.

 

 

 

7.) 1. It is possible that it really is god's will to go to war.

 

2. according to leaders, if you commit a crime, you will go to jail, not hell.

[bull912000]

I can think of a million reasons why religon is a bunch of bs. like the thread starter said, some wacko could have wrote the bible thousands of years ago and then somone just picked it up and thought everything there was true. Now humans thousands of years ago werent very smart, but its already year 2006! why are some people still believing in a book they have no clue about?

 

 

 

altho im seeing that alot of people, (espechially the next generation [teens]) no longer really belive this bs, which puts a smile on my face because less time and energy will be wasted on this pointless crap that has done nothing but cost billions of lives over thousands of years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not having religion is like not having walls around your fort in enemy terretory. If you don't have em, your pretty much dead.

[bull912000]

Umm bull912000 god made Adam and Eve to have free will. They were perfect in a sense. They were unknowledeable so they didnt know what was bad or what was right. They could have believed in god and they did. But they ate the apple from the tree of knowledge. That let them distinguish between good and wrong. Then god came down and went you ate the apple!!! and kicked them out.

 

Oh and god did create evil. He created Lucifer the greatest of all angels and Lucifer went why we listening to you ya big idiot. Then he rebelled agianst god and god went shut up foo. Then he sent him to the middle of the earth into the flames with all the angles that followed him. and Lucifer became the antechrist.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but God also had all knowlage. I think if he knew Adam and Eve would sin, he had perfect reason.

 

 

 

(sorry bout the tripple post again. Trying to comment on everyone.

[malo2]

i do not believe in god, i do think, or would like to think that death is not the end but i do not believe there is a god

 

 

 

1.) during the black plague the church said that if you were a good christian you would not die -- many priests died

 

 

 

2.) when noah built that ark it was to protect everything from the flood, he took 7 women, or 8 or something, but anyway all the people in england could be traced back to 9 women

 

 

 

3.) when noah built his ark, correct me if im wrong but it was to protect people from the flood, which was caused by all the rain falling at the same time, scientifically if all the rain fell the sea level would rise by only 12 centimentres, i am not certain of this but i am sure the maximum it would rise is 1 metre

 

 

 

4.) when the telescope was invented they found out that the sun was in the middle of the universe, or the galaxy or whatever, the church says it is the earth in the middle.

 

 

 

5.) according to the bible god created man on the 7th day ... what happened to the millions of years?

 

 

 

6.) not sure about this but apparently all the animals were alive when the dinosaurs were, why would they survive the big comet hitting the earth?

 

 

 

i dont think that because there is no proof god does not exist, in hitch hikers guide to the galaxy god says: without faith i am nothing, so i guess you must have faith, but with growing evidence it is a little hard to believe

 

 

 

7.) religion is in many ways an exuse to be kept under control by your leader.

 

ie: many wars were created because it was "god's will"

 

if you do crime you will go to "hell"

 

 

 

the only reason i see to join a religion was to escape going to hell, since when was not believing evil?

 

 

 

thats my two cents

 

 

 

1.) At that same time, christians believed in whiches, which the bible says there were none. Hence, there religious views were entirely different.

 

 

 

2.) (answered by tpam)

 

 

 

3.)After reviewing the bible on Noahs flood, I find that it never says the ENTIRE earth flooded. Also, it might have not been litteral rain. The area where Noah lived is possibly the present day black sea. If you notice, it is connected to the medeteranian by a very thin strip of water surrounded by mountains. It is possible that the Mediteranian might have been held up by the mountains that use to be where the thin strip of water is. This means the flood was possibly more of a dam burst than a flash flood.

 

 

 

On that note, this is also possibly why the bible says it had never rained before. It could be translated into "The water had not burst through before.

 

 

 

4.) See number 1.

 

 

 

5.) First of all, god created man on the 6th day. Second, the bible says 10,000 years in heavan is like one second on earth, and one second in heaven is like 10,000 years on earth. In other words, the word "day" doesn't mean a litteral day.

 

 

 

6.) There was no scientific proof that there was a comet that hit the earth.

 

 

 

7.) 1. It is possible that it really is god's will to go to war.

 

2. according to leaders, if you commit a crime, you will go to jail, not hell.

 

 

 

you really have proven nothing at all, you just provided possible alternatives, some of which dont make much sence, or just dont really prove anything.

[malo2]

I can think of a million reasons why religon is a bunch of bs. like the thread starter said, some wacko could have wrote the bible thousands of years ago and then somone just picked it up and thought everything there was true. Now humans thousands of years ago werent very smart, but its already year 2006! why are some people still believing in a book they have no clue about?

 

 

 

altho im seeing that alot of people, (espechially the next generation [teens]) no longer really belive this bs, which puts a smile on my face because less time and energy will be wasted on this pointless crap that has done nothing but cost billions of lives over thousands of years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not having religion is like not having walls around your fort in enemy terretory. If you don't have em, your pretty much dead.

 

 

 

can you please explain what youre saying?

[Mercifull]

Removed post here, because it was a poor response to an ever worse argument from the other person.

[bjbj1991]

I can think of a million reasons why religon is a bunch of bs. like the thread starter said, some wacko could have wrote the bible thousands of years ago and then somone just picked it up and thought everything there was true. Now humans thousands of years ago werent very smart, but its already year 2006! why are some people still believing in a book they have no clue about?

 

 

 

altho im seeing that alot of people, (espechially the next generation [teens]) no longer really belive this bs, which puts a smile on my face because less time and energy will be wasted on this pointless crap that has done nothing but cost billions of lives over thousands of years.

 

Not having religion is like not having walls around your fort in enemy terretory. If you don't have em, your pretty much dead.

 

I dont see your point. In today's society, walls are useless. Science has given us the opertunity to fly over those walls and bomb the people inside, and only kill the people we want dead. Your analogy emphisizes how useless religion has become.