Do YOU believe in God?

[Fiery_Gyr]

I'm a pagan and proud of it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only goddess I know is myself. Cuz that's the person you have to believe in. Not some kind of human creation "somewhere up there".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously dont understand how you can possibly believe in a god. It's so clear it cant be true. Why are some ppl so naÃÆÃâÃâïve? Why cant they think for themselves and see the world for what it really is, not how we created it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just open your eyes, face the REAL world and believe in yourself!!!

[Gingi]

In my view, God is a dictator. He tells you what you can and cant do. Why did he give us free will if we have to follow rules?

[Barihawk]

Because if we didn't have rules we would go around raping and pillaging eachother?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rules are an integral part of any society.

[HugATree]

 

The very fact all life on earth is genetically related, supporting the claim all life shares a common ancestor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, in response to that: *cough*Adam*cough*

 

 

 

Of course, thats my belief opposed to yours.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eh.. All life as in all life on earth, not just humans. I thought Adam was the equivent of Eves husband, I didn't read anything about him and the animals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I asked the question as you said its all our fault, even if I wasn't present at the event.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The whole concept of Original Sin states that we all inherited the first sin from Adam. Christ came to Earth to die for our sins and erase this Original Sin. All who believe him are cleansed of Adam's Sin *although capable of committing thier own*.

 

 

 

I know what original sin is, I wanted to know why we deserved it.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Yep and my faith that Blacks are the inferior race to me is far superior then fact. You can believe what you want, but it doesn't mean you have the right to impose that idea on the naturalist world, you know the one that's governed on facts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Statements like these make me giggle.

 

 

 

Since when do I not have the Right of Free Speech and Religion?

[logic-is-overrated]

I'm a pagan and proud of it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only goddess I know is myself. Cuz that's the person you have to believe in. Not some kind of human creation "somewhere up there".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously dont understand how you can possibly believe in a god. It's so clear it cant be true. Why are some ppl so naÃÆÃâÃâïve? Why cant they think for themselves and see the world for what it really is, not how we created it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just open your eyes, face the REAL world and believe in yourself!!!

what exactly is a pagan? don't they believe in pre-christian gods and goddesses like air god and stuff

[Guest GhostRanger]

 

I'm a pagan and proud of it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only goddess I know is myself. Cuz that's the person you have to believe in. Not some kind of human creation "somewhere up there".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously dont understand how you can possibly believe in a god. It's so clear it cant be true. Why are some ppl so naÃÆÃâÃâïve? Why cant they think for themselves and see the world for what it really is, not how we created it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just open your eyes, face the REAL world and believe in yourself!!!

what exactly is a pagan? don't they believe in pre-christian gods and goddesses like air god and stuff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pagan is actually defined as anything that is not a major religion - Jewish, Christian, or Mulsim, Buddhist, Hindu, Bah'hai (spelling might be wrong), etc.

[HugATree]

I'm a pagan and proud of it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only goddess I know is myself. Cuz that's the person you have to believe in. Not some kind of human creation "somewhere up there".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously dont understand how you can possibly believe in a god. It's so clear it cant be true. Why are some ppl so naÃÆÃâÃâïve? Why cant they think for themselves and see the world for what it really is, not how we created it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just open your eyes, face the REAL world and believe in yourself!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How are you pagan then if the only goddess is yourself? You sound more like Atheist, or modern satanist.

[Turbobart]

I do not believe in God. The whole 'Earth creation' stroy reminds me of a cheesy script of a bad fantasy movie.

[dwarfie76]

Pagan is actually defined as anything that is not a major religion - Jewish, Christian, or Mulsim, Buddhist, Hindu, Bah'hai (spelling might be wrong), etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About right. Pagan can either mean someone who practises an "alternative" religion. Or be synonymous with "heathen" and mean someone who doesn't practise the same religion we do. It's generally accepted that most of the Norse, Ancient Greek, Ancient Roman and Eastern and African Animist religions fall under the definition of "paganism" while most self confessed "Pagans" are actually Wiccans.

[haihong]

I do not believe in God but tat doent mean it doesnt exists..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True to some ppl God exists....but hrought now is yr faith tell u that God exists..but in reality... i stress reality... did u see God? some may say God hints u n cannot be show or dunno wad crap la...But ... May i ask who write the bible..fro the bible jesus go alot of places to help ppl... but is there really someone who see all his works everwhere!!! u say his diciples who wrote it... but alter they are all dispersed.. who is the one who can combine al these thing and make it intio bible?If it is the God words, den y ppl are making new bible and upgrading the meanings,,, apparently some words which are changed may change the meaning of the whole sentence... u no?if it is God words den is is a kind of disrespect liao... cuz it should be God who wrote the book and not a human lol... is there true in it?... if it is a human who wrote tat den we are listening to human advice... lol...haha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that was like 2000 years ago where jesus come to earth

 

 

 

rmb last time they got pen to write book ar? they using wad so call brush nia..

 

 

 

no paper somemore...write on bamboo la... N how u no it is true tat jesus rise from the dead... Did u see it? it was written 2000 years ago...i stress is 2000 years ago... 2000 years ago still persists ar?Logicall speaking the thing more or less got change leh..u check teh first of the first bible n the new bible

 

 

 

i bet there is different... Even i bet u dunno yr 1 st ancestors lor... den how u no there is god when u cant even no yr first ancestor name.. Somemore if There IS A GOD DEN Y THERE IS SO MUCH SUFFERING IN THE WOLRD!WAD BIRD FLU SARS TSUNAMI>>>SOME MAY SAY IS THE PUNISHMENT OF OUR SINS!>>>But for GODNESS SAKE.... is it true:?U say u ll go heaven if u died if u belioeve in christ.. but u died before... if u didnt die before how u no u go to heaven...UNless u can ask the DEAD TO WAKE UP N TELL U LA>>>WHICH IS LAME...ALl these are doubts but that doesnt show that god doesnt exist... which is true.... FOR WAD I BELIEVE WAD CARE SO MUCH THING>>> LIFE I SO SHORT.... if u cant do this or do tat u better go die fast... as u believe in yr God when u deid u can go heaven... so wad u dun kill yr own baby so to let him have a happy day living wif God... den the whole world population get killed la... LAme..

 

 

 

THere is no fact stating thus is yr belief but i dunno y ppl care so much... Maybe is the fact tat u guys ppl beleive in enternity life which u guys care so much... den if i say i can giv eu eternity life better pray me....lol...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ALAS>>> anyway it juz my opinion... as i bleieve in living my life better without having any religious affecting my life.... i willing to accept anyone who want to debate oin this topic

[Schwarzenegger]

I do not believe in God but tat doent mean it doesnt exists..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True to some ppl God exists....but hrought now is yr faith tell u that God exists..but in reality... i stress reality... did u see God? some may say God hints u n cannot be show or dunno wad crap la...But ... May i ask who write the bible..fro the bible jesus go alot of places to help ppl... but is there really someone who see all his works everwhere!!! u say his diciples who wrote it... but alter they are all dispersed.. who is the one who can combine al these thing and make it intio bible?If it is the God words, den y ppl are making new bible and upgrading the meanings,,, apparently some words which are changed may change the meaning of the whole sentence... u no?if it is God words den is is a kind of disrespect liao... cuz it should be God who wrote the book and not a human lol... is there true in it?... if it is a human who wrote tat den we are listening to human advice... lol...haha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that was like 2000 years ago where jesus come to earth

 

 

 

rmb last time they got pen to write book ar? they using wad so call brush nia..

 

 

 

no paper somemore...write on bamboo la... N how u no it is true tat jesus rise from the dead... Did u see it? it was written 2000 years ago...i stress is 2000 years ago... 2000 years ago still persists ar?Logicall speaking the thing more or less got change leh..u check teh first of the first bible n the new bible

 

 

 

i bet there is different... Even i bet u dunno yr 1 st ancestors lor... den how u no there is god when u cant even no yr first ancestor name.. Somemore if There IS A GOD DEN Y THERE IS SO MUCH SUFFERING IN THE WOLRD!WAD BIRD FLU SARS TSUNAMI>>>SOME MAY SAY IS THE PUNISHMENT OF OUR SINS!>>>But for GODNESS SAKE.... is it true:?U say u ll go heaven if u died if u belioeve in christ.. but u died before... if u didnt die before how u no u go to heaven...UNless u can ask the DEAD TO WAKE UP N TELL U LA>>>WHICH IS LAME...ALl these are doubts but that doesnt show that god doesnt exist... which is true.... FOR WAD I BELIEVE WAD CARE SO MUCH THING>>> LIFE I SO SHORT.... if u cant do this or do tat u better go die fast... as u believe in yr God when u deid u can go heaven... so wad u dun kill yr own baby so to let him have a happy day living wif God... den the whole world population get killed la... LAme..

 

 

 

THere is no fact stating thus is yr belief but i dunno y ppl care so much... Maybe is the fact tat u guys ppl beleive in enternity life which u guys care so much... den if i say i can giv eu eternity life better pray me....lol...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ALAS>>> anyway it juz my opinion... as i bleieve in living my life better without having any religious affecting my life.... i willing to accept anyone who want to debate oin this topic

 

 

 

Can anyone actually translate this to something actually thought out and readable?

[_k0m0d0_]

I Belive and dont belive in God, well, I belive plenty of things about God, and plenty I dont, but I have a relegion...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~komodo

[Fiery_Gyr]

About right. Pagan can either mean someone who practises an "alternative" religion. Or be synonymous with "heathen" and mean someone who doesn't practise the same religion we do. It's generally accepted that most of the Norse, Ancient Greek, Ancient Roman and Eastern and African Animist religions fall under the definition of "paganism" while most self confessed "Pagans" are actually Wiccans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're quite right. I pagan is a "follower" of a nature-based religion. Could be wicca, witchcraft, indian religion, german, celtic, etc. Some have (metaphoric) gods, some are atheists (like me).

 

 

 

A pagan is NOT someone who isn't a christian, jew or muslim (buddhists ain't pagans).

 

 

 

I am NOT a Satanist, cuz these ppl aren't pagans. They are anti-christs. They may use "rituals" and things like that, but they are NOT pagans. Most ppl relate satanism to paganism, because they both use magic, but the pagan magic is "white magic" and the satanism magic is "black".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the purpose of religions like christianity is to give ppl faith and hope and someone who they can talk to when they're feeling down. But as a result, ppl are being brainwashed and doctrinated. Which means they just dont know any better and they cant solve their own problems anymore. Beside this, christianity had so many followers cuz they are with so many and they have a pope-guy. Ppl like to live in groups so they follow easily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a brief opinion, but my english ain't good enough to write a decend story about how I think. I dont want to convince you or something, but I just wanna let you know there are other things as well, on this planet...

[dwarfie76]

This is a brief opinion, but my english ain't good enough to write a decend story about how I think. I dont want to convince you or something, but I just wanna let you know there are other things as well, on this planet...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your English is fine. Better than most on these boards. I'd be very appreciative if you would outline your beliefs a bit further. Following a non-theist, but (seemingly) very spiritual path is something that I've encountered a lot of people saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How would you relate your beliefs to say Buddhism or Wicca?

[Death_By_Pod]

 

 

 

As for getting confused, I have seen lots of notions that theorums are laws nowadays. I love science, its amazing how we are so smart nowadays that we can claim something as fact when it has not been proven in a scientific expirement. In other words, If I wanted proof of evolution, it would be preferred that it came from a controlled expiriment, not based on speculation. That is why I keep saying that there is no scientific proof of evolution...there have been no expiriments, just radical speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There have been many controlled experiments on things with short life spans such as mice, drosophila (flies) and bacteria. If you want an example of evolution look at the bird flu pandemic; the bird flu virus has been mutating into forms which can infect other species such as cats and humans; its ability to rapidly multiply and spread is a good example of macroevolution (changing from a bird infecting virus to a human infecting virus is a pretty big evolutionary change isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t it?) and natural selection. Its not radical speculation, its common sense; you just chose to ignore it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two wrongs don't make a right. It has a little to do with disproving evolution - it just makes me ask why people need to fake fossils if the evidence is so abundant?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darwin himself said that the fossil record would need huge improvements for evolution to be proven - unless Darwin was wrong, which wouldn't invalidate evolution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, I assume that the premise is nothing. I'm not saying there is no premise.

 

 

 

Also - you once said that we cannot get from the supernatural to the natural, and I disagree with that. I agree that we can't go from natural to supernatural, since that violates cause/effect - but God, who is above and superior to matter, can definitely create matter. That's why I believe God could have used evolution to create us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like I have explained many times, fossilization is a rare process; it only appears common because so many things have died. People fake things for personal gains much like they fake religious relics; if religion was such a common phenomena then why do they need to fake religious relics?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes he was right; we uncover more fossils every day. WhatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s your point, fossils arenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t the only thing to ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâproveÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ evolution. In DarwinÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s day things like genetics didnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t exist, which proves evolution 100%; whatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s next, Darwin recanting on his death bed is evidence for disproving evolution?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly every premise we assert is a blind one, me saying physic works outside of the universe is exactly the same as assuming there nothing; its just a supernatural guess.

 

 

 

Your right, we can go from the supernatural to the natural so long as the supernatural assumption is reasonable. There has been a tradition of scientific findings proving just that; e.g. postulating the existence of the electron, at the time they couldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t prove its existence however it makes sense to have electrons to balance the positive nucleus. Also the postulation of the Higgs Boson is a natural consequence from particle physics; however we need better technology (which we are building) to actually see it. It is so well grounded in physics, it is taught at a university level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the case for god, the only reasonable evidence for god is that a lot of people have faith. There isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t an underlying physical reason for a god to exist, for things such as the electron and Higgs boson, there is. We need better equipment or we need more complete fossils are good excuses for not being 100% on validating an objects existence, faith isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t a good excuse. I should have been a little clearer, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t spend hours making sure a post perfect, you do a good job niggling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love science in the fields of astronomy, physics, and geography. Those I can look at and immediately prove through expiriments. Now, let me get your post straight...you say that "tests, expiriments, observations" have proven evolution? Can you PLEASE post a link to a controlled test where man has visibly watched evolution happen before his eyes? I am pretty sure there is nothing in support of evolution EXCEPT for observation. And observation without a scientific method is pretty much speculation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You do know that astronomy and geography rely on similar principles to evolution, we werenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t there to see the planet evolve we can guess how the countries, mountains rivers and gorges are formed. In astronomy we canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t create a sun and see if we can correctly guess how it evolves, we canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t create a solar system and see how it forms. These things are exactly like evolution, statistical sciences. We know the rules of how things work and we have lots of data in the present, combined we can infer things about the past.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I only looked at the citations of one article on speciation but you could easily search the net for some online articles for evidence on evolution. Here are some that speciation (hence proving evolution):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Callaghan, C. A. 1987. Instances of observed speciation. The American Biology Teacher. 49:3436.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clausen, J., D. D. Keck and W. M. Hiesey. 1945. Experimental studies on the nature of species. II. Plant evolution through amphiploidy and autoploidy, with examples from the Madiinae. Carnegie Institute Washington Publication, 564:1-174.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

del Solar, E. 1966. Sexual isolation caused by selection for positive and negative phototaxis and geotaxis in Drosophila pseudoobscura. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US). 56:484-487.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dobzhansky, T. and O. Pavlovsky. 1971. Experimentally created incipient species of Drosophila. Nature. 230:289-292.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dobzhansky, T. 1972. Species of Drosophila: new excitement in an old field. Science. 177:664-669.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Koopman, K. F. 1950. Natural selection for reproductive isolation between Drosophila pseudoobscura and Drosophila persimilis. Evolution. 4:135-148.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are a few, notice the dates on some of these articles; there has been evidence on evolution for many decades now. If you want to cry over spilt milk IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ll be happy to find some online peer reviewed articles for you to read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Statements like these make me giggle.

 

 

 

Since when do I not have the Right of Free Speech and Religion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go ahead and shout, I have a bomb at a busy airport, go wave the Mohammed cartoons at angry MuslimÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s, hey its free speech I can do what I want and not get in trouble. How about those restrictions on the movies that children can see (If you want to be picky about this the movie ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅThe AristocratsÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[Mementh]

religion in of itself i belive is something that all of us have.. even if we deny it... its impossable to deny forever..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but.... the problem is orginized religion allowes for one voice.. but not always a rational one..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you have people who start wars over money.. belifes... and hatred...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its been shown all religions go though this.. they all get zealots that will blow themselves up because they believe its right..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

when they are only hurting themselves....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now when religion realizes its not what we think... when we realizes religion helps balance us.. it allows us to in my personal belife ask for the universe's guidance...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i remember a quote... (probabbly misquoted) "It is belived that once man answers the ultimate question that the universe will sease and be replaced. Some say this has happened already"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it means i think that at a certain point we will know the question to ask about everything.. we will have the 1 inch equasion that will answer everything in this universe...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But i think the ultimate answer lies with whats outside the universe..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you think about it.. Somehting comes from somthing.. that something comes from something.. and that something cam from something else..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but where did it originate from.. where did GOD come from.. Where did it start? this question baffes and scares me because it asks a question that i think the answer to will end the universe..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where are we? what started all this? why did it start? what came before it started?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"here there be dragons"

[terley]

most people like to believe in a religion to assure there dieing need to know that after we die we are not just gone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its hard to face the (fact i cant say fact because its not fact) that we just dissapear after we die. christians and other religion like to think that there is somthing else out there after we die

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

personally i dont believe in god because i like to think that there are an infinate number of our planets out there yet to be discovered.. thinking about it the universe is apparently infinate space. so if there is i find it very hard to believe theres nothing else out there .. apart from us

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dunno, personally im an ahthiest

[Fiery_Gyr]

If you look with a fair eye to this issue, this whole discussion will be pointless, because we just don't know all the answers to those questions.

 

 

 

We will never know where we end up when we die.

 

 

 

We will never know whether there is a god or not.

 

 

 

We will (probably) never know if there are other intelligent lifeforms in space.

 

 

 

We will never know why we walk around on this planet.

 

 

 

We will never know why there are animals

 

 

 

And we will never know how time and matter started, simply because nobody was there when "it" all happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing we can and will allways do is guessing and assuming. We will think of wonderfull hypothisiss', but everytime we find an answer, new questions will turn up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a very interesting issue the think about and I don't mind when people come up with brilliant ideas, but we will never find the truth about the unknown.

 

 

 

And THAT's the thing why we have religion. We created religion ourselves, just to answer to questions we don't have an answer to. People want to feel save and know what's going to happen to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This all makes this the most interesting subject in the world :)

[insane]

Like I have explained many times, fossilization is a rare process; it only appears common because so many things have died.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I'm just wondering is how many fossils we uncover that are definitely intermediate species as compared to fossils that are extremely similar to species that exist at the present?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes he was right; we uncover more fossils every day. WhatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s your point, fossils arenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t the only thing to ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâproveÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ evolution. In DarwinÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s day things like genetics didnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t exist, which proves evolution 100%; whatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s next, Darwin recanting on his death bed is evidence for disproving evolution?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's why I said Darwin's claims wouldn't invalidate evolution :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly every premise we assert is a blind one, me saying physic works outside of the universe is exactly the same as assuming there nothing; its just a supernatural guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure I understand you here. Are you saying that in saying nothing once existed in my premise I'm assuming God exists?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your right, we can go from the supernatural to the natural so long as the supernatural assumption is reasonable. There has been a tradition of scientific findings proving just that; e.g. postulating the existence of the electron, at the time they couldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t prove its existence however it makes sense to have electrons to balance the positive nucleus. Also the postulation of the Higgs Boson is a natural consequence from particle physics; however we need better technology (which we are building) to actually see it. It is so well grounded in physics, it is taught at a university level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the case for god, the only reasonable evidence for god is that a lot of people have faith. There isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t an underlying physical reason for a god to exist, for things such as the electron and Higgs boson, there is. We need better equipment or we need more complete fossils are good excuses for not being 100% on validating an objects existence, faith isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t a good excuse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe faith isn't a good scientific excuse :P or a bad proof. But it definitely has its advantages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I should have been a little clearer, I donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t spend hours making sure a post perfect, you do a good job niggling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry :P

[Barihawk]

Death by Pod:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About your expiriments. While they do show extraordinary adaptation, they do not fulfill the "survival of the fittest" aspect. The bird flu has not died out, it has just expanded to feed on humans after a mutation. Its microevolution (which is scientifically still held as a separate theorum than macro, and more believable in my eyes) which explains why africans are black, euros are white, and our eyes and hair colors, etc. Adaption is completely different than evolution. The bird flu is still the bird flu, it has just adapted to add a new host to its repetois. Thanks for the information, I respect your opinion now and I pray that you will respect mine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as for the pagan thing, the general term refers to non-big 3 religions, but specifically the worship of nature. I was so happy to date a girl from the old country, but she failed to tell me she worshiped the Celtic nature spirits in addition to God...yeah, that did'nt last long.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Go ahead and shout, I have a bomb at a busy airport, go wave the Mohammed cartoons at angry MuslimÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s, hey its free speech I can do what I want and not get in trouble. How about those restrictions on the movies that children can see (If you want to be picky about this the movie ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅThe AristocratsÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[HugATree]

Death by Pod:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About your expiriments. While they do show extraordinary adaptation, they do not fulfill the "survival of the fittest" aspect. The bird flu has not died out, it has just expanded to feed on humans after a mutation. Its microevolution (which is scientifically still held as a separate theorum than macro, and more believable in my eyes) which explains why africans are black, euros are white, and our eyes and hair colors, etc. Adaption is completely different than evolution. The bird flu is still the bird flu, it has just adapted to add a new host to its repetois. Thanks for the information, I respect your opinion now and I pray that you will respect mine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, its Evolution. Micro-evolution, and Macro-Evolution are creationist terms, "adaption" is another way of saying "Evolution is wrong, even if I agree with it"

[hammerhand]

I do belive in God I see evidence of some sort of intellegence everywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Pearls, they shouldn't exist they give absolitly no advantage to the oyster whatsoever (Actully a significant disadvantage considering removing the pearl will either injur or kill the oyster)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Noah's Ark, There is a large baot shaped object buried benieth the snow on mount Arrerat. I've actully seen a picture of pieace of wood from the object and it does look like its been their for a long long time. Not to mention the Ark's design is very seaworthy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. Ghoasts. I've seen actual photographic evidence of them. The pictures were actully taken directly by someone I trust. Although this may not be completely consistent with my offical religon their are many things we have yet to understand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. This one almost no one thinks of: Viruses. Not computer viruses but actual biological ones. They shouldn't exist. The current explentation is that they evolved from bits of DNA lost from there host cells. The problem is that a strand of DNA does absolutly nothing if it lacks the raw materials to create protiens. Also because some kinds mutate every year (like the flu) where others remain exactly the same for centuries (like small pox)

[Barihawk]

I'm still seeing Microevolution in textbooks. I mean, oh noes...the creationists are writing our textbooks now!