Concerning DroolMAN...

[moopymitchell182]

Hm... Jagex bans everyone who doesn't need to be banned, it's stupid. I even send in querys telling them that a certian someone bought his account from ebay and is now sharing it... But no, no ban. He also has figured out how to log in two accounts at once and does this almost every time he plays RuneScape. Jesus, Jagex staff really need to shape up. Sorry to hear about your losses, DroolMAN, your equipable item guide has helped me out very much.

[Y2g2003]

I have a desktop and a laptop connected to the Internet via a wireless broadband router. I guess with both machines running under the same subnet, it will raise a flag to the detection system incorporated into the game, making both the accounts under close scrutiny.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing about that is... Your IP addresses would be within one of eachother depending on how many systems you have connected to that router.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if your desktop has an IP Address of like "66.37.125.78"... your laptop will probably have an IP Address of "66.37.125.77" or "66.37.125.79". So there would have been very little margin of error in them finding a connection between the two accounts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is... the connection between the two accounts isn't what they think it to be. They are just completely going by your IP Address. And had you of sent those same items to someone a thousand miles away from you... they probably would have thought nothing of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know people always snap at me about being so down on Jagex and the methods in which they use to conduct business. Now its just becoming all the more clear. Jagex are just totally out of touch with their product. They promote it as a "family game", but how the hell can a family play the game together if they aren't logged on at the same time with likenesses in their IP Addresses? The answer is simple... you can't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To sum it all up... Jagex are morons. And that is something I've pretty much been saying for awhile now.

[Nazgul740]

erm pardon me but there are PLENTY of items that are shiney that aren't rare....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am a doubter by nature try and understand...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It never occored to you that "hey if i trade my items to my little girl they might have a tad bit of extra security"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You did infact break the rule sregaurdless of your daughter... you broke whatever rule it is that says you shouldn't trade between accounts. If these rules aren't obeyed then how can jagex ever hope to provide stability

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bittersweet reply? Erm make a new account for your daughter and spend the what 270K? to buy her shoes back... A 4year old obviously didn't have many if any stats and she will enjoy the shoes once again...Or are you more concerned with your rares and that you got caught?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pardon me but i cannot force myself (much a pretty a picutre as it is painted) to belive you. Your whole post reaks of trying to draw sympathy and i have none

[Michael_West]

Good luck with whatever you do in the future.

[Y2g2003]

 

 

 

It never occored to you that "hey if i trade my items to my little girl they might have a tad bit of extra security"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bittersweet reply? Erm make a new account for your daughter and spend the what 270K? to buy her shoes back...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about what you just said there. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're basically trying to tell him to use common sense in your first comment... While in your second reply you aren't able to use common sense yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And seeing as though his little girl doesn't gain from any of this... I don't see the harm in it at all. While he may technically own both accounts, the one account IS his daughters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So based on what you were just babbling about... If I would move in with my girlfriend and offer to buy her Dragon Longsword for 100k (a legit trade at that)... That would be grounds for myself getting banned. Yeah... that would make sense. :roll: Oh wait... no it wouldn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously, think before you spout off.

[ScarletEve]

Thinking about what he said isn't going to help...because I don't think he read the entire post or thought about it in the first place. :?

[Y2g2003]

Thinking about what he said isn't going to help...because I don't think he read the entire post or thought about it in the first place. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, thats the problem with some people. They don't care unless it happens to them. And when it does... its the most terrible thing in the world.

[LordSoultar]

It never occored to you that "hey if i trade my items to my little girl they might have a tad bit of extra security"

 

 

 

Of course it wouldn't have occured to him, that's one of the least secure things you could possibly do. His daughter knew nothing of their value or scarceness. If she saw someone wearing something she thought looked good she might have even traded a phat for it, simply because she didn't know its value.

 

 

 

You did infact break the rule sregaurdless of your daughter... you broke whatever rule it is that says you shouldn't trade between accounts.

 

 

 

Oh, you mean this rule?

 

 

 

You may create more than one RuneScape account, but if you do, you may not log in more than

 

 

 

one account at any time, and they must not interact with each other in any way. This includes 'drop trading' or any other method of item transfer.

 

 

 

Only one account was his, the other belonged to his daughter. The rule clearly states you may not transfer items between your own accounts, it never says anything about trading a few items to a family member.

[Bloodveld]

To sum it all up... Jagex are morons. And that is something I've pretty much been saying for awhile now.

Usually I would try to find a counterpoint to a flame at jagex, but I must say, you're right. I'm really getting sick at jagex's idiocy (no I didn't get banned or anything :roll:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So no flame from this monster today, just an agreement :wink: :lol:

[Y2g2003]

 

To sum it all up... Jagex are morons. And that is something I've pretty much been saying for awhile now.

Usually I would try to find a counterpoint to a flame at jagex, but I must say, you're right. I'm really getting sick at jagex's idiocy (no I didn't get banned or anything :roll:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So no flame from this monster today, just an agreement :wink: :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG... Bloodveld... that is like the nicest thing you've like ever said to me...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FINALLY! A break through!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I knew there was something I liked about you. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you

[gonzlar]

 

 

 

Only one account was his, the other belonged to his daughter. The rule clearly states you may not transfer items between your own accounts, it never says anything about trading a few items to a family member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well... if you REALLY wanted to get super-technical then I believe that Jagex could easily argue that drool created his daughters account. Not that i believe that the ban was justifiable by any means.

[Bloodveld]

 

 

To sum it all up... Jagex are morons. And that is something I've pretty much been saying for awhile now.

Usually I would try to find a counterpoint to a flame at jagex, but I must say, you're right. I'm really getting sick at jagex's idiocy (no I didn't get banned or anything :roll:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So no flame from this monster today, just an agreement :wink: :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG... Bloodveld... that is like the nicest thing you've like ever said to me...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FINALLY! A break through!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I knew there was something I liked about you. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you

Lol, np.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never hated you, I'm just quick to defend jagex (usually) and, like you, I'm very quick to flame :lol:

[swampjedi]

 

 

 

The thing about that is... Your IP addresses would be within one of eachother depending on how many systems you have connected to that router.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if your desktop has an IP Address of like "66.37.125.78"... your laptop will probably have an IP Address of "66.37.125.77" or "66.37.125.79". So there would have been very little margin of error in them finding a connection between the two accounts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know this isn't on topic, but I have to say something. This is wrong. A router represents a single IP. That's what a router does - it acts as a switching yard to other networks, while acting as the gatekeeper to the local network. Your router has one IP address. Jagex only sees that one IP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where you're not wrong is that Jagex can distinguish between machines behind a router, with a little work. NAT (network address translation), the protocol that makes routers work, puts a distinguishing mark on the TCP/IP packets that it sends, so that when a reply packet comes, the router knows which local machine to pass it to. This marker is in the HOST port field of the packet. So, it's not the IP address, that's different, but the source port.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A little "who cares anyways" information for you. :D

[cyco]

I recently had a Character banned for somthing I didn't even do also. I got permantly banned, I sent an appeal in, they accepted my appeal, but gave me 3 Black Marks, so I just quit altogether, because if I even get reported for anything. Perma banned no questions asked. Its really sad to hear storys like this, espically when its been happening to higher levels, when they should really be monitoring everyone.

[Nazgul740]

 

It never occored to you that "hey if i trade my items to my little girl they might have a tad bit of extra security"

 

 

 

Of course it wouldn't have occured to him, that's one of the least secure things you could possibly do. His daughter knew nothing of their value or scarceness. If she saw someone wearing something she thought looked good she might have even traded a phat for it, simply because she didn't know its value.

 

 

 

You did infact break the rule sregaurdless of your daughter... you broke whatever rule it is that says you shouldn't trade between accounts.

 

 

 

Oh, you mean this rule?

 

 

 

You may create more than one RuneScape account, but if you do, you may not log in more than

 

 

 

one account at any time, and they must not interact with each other in any way. This includes 'drop trading' or any other method of item transfer.

 

 

 

Only one account was his, the other belonged to his daughter. The rule clearly states you may not transfer items between your own accounts, it never says anything about trading a few items to a family member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He owned both accounts therefore they were "HIS" obviously his daughter couldn't own an account... Since he did OWN but account he traded between them :roll:

[LordSoultar]

He owned both accounts therefore they were "HIS" obviously his daughter couldn't own an account... Since he did OWN but account he traded between them :roll:

 

 

 

Oh, and why couldn't his daughter own an account? It was her account since she created it, he just payed her membership for her. Which is perfectly allowed, since she is a minor and they are family members. :roll:

[Creaphis]

I'm getting tired of seeing all of these topics about good people getting banned for bad reasons. It seems like it's only a matter of time until I get banned for something, despite my eagle scout worthy behaviour. Can't Jagex recognize a pillar of the community like Droolman? I guess they want to treat everybody on the same level, where everybody is guilty until proven innocent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you take advantage of multi-logging anyway? Sure, you can use mules. And what's wrong with that? It adds extra security in case one account is hacked. If Jagex doesn't like mules because they're taking more names out of the system, they could delete old unused accounts to free some up. Maybe Jagex's logic is that people would control two accounts at the same time while pking, or something, but it would be far too hard to control two characters effectively. I think this rule needs to be repealed. Not so that multi-loggers can play, but so families can play.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for you and your daughter, here's an idea that might be crazy enough to work. People generally pay more attention to letters than to emails or appeals, so you could mail an explanation and something from your daughter. An emotional visual work, in the medium of crayon and 8.5" by 11", may strike a chord with customer service.

[gonzlar]

 

He owned both accounts therefore they were "HIS" obviously his daughter couldn't own an account... Since he did OWN but account he traded between them :roll:

 

 

 

Oh, and why couldn't his daughter own an account? It was her account since she created it, he just payed her membership for her. Which is perfectly allowed, since she is a minor and they are family members. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im sorry... but there is no way that a 4 year old created her own account.

[aqua_dragons]

I'm getting tired of seeing all of these topics about good people getting banned for bad reasons. It seems like it's only a matter of time until I get banned for something, despite my eagle scout worthy behaviour. Can't Jagex recognize a pillar of the community like Droolman? I guess they want to treat everybody on the same level, where everybody is guilty until proven innocent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you take advantage of multi-logging anyway? Sure, you can use mules. And what's wrong with that? It adds extra security in case one account is hacked. If Jagex doesn't like mules because they're taking more names out of the system, they could delete old unused accounts to free some up. Maybe Jagex's logic is that people would control two accounts at the same time while pking, or something, but it would be far too hard to control two characters effectively. I think this rule needs to be repealed. Not so that multi-loggers can play, but so families can play.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for you and your daughter, here's an idea that might be crazy enough to work. People generally pay more attention to letters than to emails or appeals, so you could mail an explanation and something from your daughter. An emotional visual work, in the medium of crayon and 8.5" by 11", may strike a chord with customer service.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very reasonable words. All the exact thoughts I was thinking while I read every post, and yours was the last one summing up all my thoughts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How HORRIBLE! Almost brings a tear to my eye when you wrote that your daughter said "if I can't play, you can't play" omg... if a Jagex staff read this, and they had some sort of heart and not some dragon heart (rs alliteration) then they would repeal it all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been playing since the beggining and I got hacked, a few months after members came out, TWICE! the first time only a few things were taken because I believe I was trying to log in while they were on mine and just kept trying and trying and trying till it finnally got on. I forgot to get the IP address because I was so confused. The next time I got the IP address (In Sydney Australia, and I'm from Miami, Florida), and sent it to them, and they didn't do anything!!! So I didn't play until RS2 (a few years, kept my character alive though logging in every blue moon) and when they made the PIN for the bank, because I feel its a lot safer. But now my friends don't play anymore nor do anyone I knew in the game when I played. But I still enjoy it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone, not Droolman, start a petition! and whoever said this is a fake sob story, should shut up. Thats just kicking the man while he's down. Shame on you. Don't give up on your daughters account.

[Y2g2003]

 

 

 

 

The thing about that is... Your IP addresses would be within one of eachother depending on how many systems you have connected to that router.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if your desktop has an IP Address of like "66.37.125.78"... your laptop will probably have an IP Address of "66.37.125.77" or "66.37.125.79". So there would have been very little margin of error in them finding a connection between the two accounts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know this isn't on topic, but I have to say something. This is wrong. A router represents a single IP. That's what a router does - it acts as a switching yard to other networks, while acting as the gatekeeper to the local network. Your router has one IP address. Jagex only sees that one IP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where you're not wrong is that Jagex can distinguish between machines behind a router, with a little work. NAT (network address translation), the protocol that makes routers work, puts a distinguishing mark on the TCP/IP packets that it sends, so that when a reply packet comes, the router knows which local machine to pass it to. This marker is in the HOST port field of the packet. So, it's not the IP address, that's different, but the source port.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A little "who cares anyways" information for you. :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eh, maybe I am wrong. Dunno.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I do know is I have a router and my IP address in different from my mother's by a difference of one. That could only apply to the LAN though, which in that case I would be wrong. Infact, thats probably what it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One connection, split by two computers. So yeah, my mistake. :? At least I have an idea as to what I'm talking about. Just didn't communicate it nearly as well as I could have. Plus... in my defense... its been awhile since I've done anything networking related in awhile. Thanks for the lesson though to refresh my memory. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyhow... the main point I was getting too, that might have been missed... was that any family on a LAN is at risk for getting booted. If they ever decide they want to play RS together. Which is something that is wrong.

[chickenman]

Well, I think that I'll be getting a black mark or two, also. I'm bringing this to RS forums...they can't do it...

[chickenman]

Wow, guess what I just realised...I'm outa membership...this will just have to wait a while then...Not signing up for a while. :?

[swampjedi]

Yeah, Y2, that'll be your local DHCP organized addresses. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're right - we shouldn't be penalized for having multiple addicts at one IP. I'm glad I'm the only one who plays here, but that doesn't stop me from feeling outraged at droolman's banning.

[killkill1234]

Sometimes I play Runescape in my room, which is connected to the school's LAN system. Does that mean if someone else is playing Runescape at the same time, we both could get banned?

[audee]

Sometimes I play Runescape in my room, which is connected to the school's LAN system. Does that mean if someone else is playing Runescape at the same time, we both could get banned?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not likely that both of u are on the same world.. even if it is.. probably ur mask code is different.. not like from household where ip differ by a mere figure.. urs could have been more...

 

 

 

example, router from household ip could be 62.100.323.85 and 62.100.323.86

 

 

 

For school lan, it might be 127.152.115.63 and 127.153.152.49 so i bet you are safe.. i did an ip mask detection during my college days via my school computer network.. tats what i get..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bless u though.. my theory may or may not be the same..