Raise the GP Cap on P2P to 100 Bil

[jessy87]

They actually need to "accidently" hit the delete all GP in game button. See who the real players are after that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

definately make the game interesting... i mean if their was no coins in the game it would start over fresh basically the only way to obtain $ would be alching and selling to stores + theiving.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

barrows armor would become useless since no1 could use them for more the 15 hours seeing how 330k would be a outrageous amount if their was no ingame $.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

itd just be chaoticly funny. whips would be outrageous in price as well as barrows armors. i mean itd be like a complete whipe of everything unless you already had it

[ixfd64]

I think the exact GP limit is 2,147,483,647 (2^31-1).

[esdxc37]

They actually need to "accidently" hit the delete all GP in game button. See who the real players are after that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now thats a great idea Why did I not think of that :D

[RAHK]

Not to sound jealous or callous but the fact that this will just not effect enough people to justify the cost (be it large or small) as of now. I agree that EVENTUALLY something will HAVE to be done one way or another. I think that they will probably come up with a more creative idea because once rares become high enough it will take years for a new player to get one. This will discourage people from playing as a large long-term goal will be just too distant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eh, my 2 cents. :wink:

[cyclonetwist]

you should beable to buy coins, bronze coins would be 1m silver 10m and gold 100m untraderble and can be resold to the shop for the same price as you bought it for. so if you had 2100m you could get 21 gold coins (these would look large) and then if you got another 2100m you could buy another 21 gold coins and if you need the money in cash you can just sell the coins back to the special shop for the same price.

[Guest]

to be honest im surprised jagex hasnt started selling GP for Real life money. They would increase their profit 4 times i bet.

[X-Arcade-X]

In Java,type Int variables can't process numbers larger than 2^31-1. The Gp count is probably stored in an int variable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2^31-1=2,147,483,647, aprox. 2100M.

[Duke_Freedom]

Is there anyone who can confirm this about the cap? Well, I know I wouldn't want to be the person to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Merchant: Hmm, lets see if this cap is true *goes over 2100M*

 

 

 

Merchant: Wha...what the??? *money goes to negative*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would deffinitly be something to ask jagex now, because I could forsee that being (quite) a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There have been various people who have reached the cap already, that is not including me as I don't keep much cash and actually expected the cap to be at 2.1bil before anyone reached it already (it's equal to 2^31 - 1).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The money turns negative when you pass it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex knows about it, but like I said in my earlier reply on this thread, they just don't seem to have it high on their priority list as the first time the cap was a problem is over a half year ago now... At least.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They actually need to "accidently" hit the delete all GP in game button. See who the real players are after that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They need to hit the "clear all accounts" button, then you'll see who the real players are after that. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a shame the cap is public knowledge now :P.. It allowed me to laugh about fakers who claimed to own "5bil gp" or similiar things for quite a while :D.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and this thread is such a great example of the general hate of the public versus merchants... You gotta love it. :)

[jessy87]

In Java,type Int variables can't process numbers larger than 2^31-1. The Gp count is probably stored in an int variable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2^31-1=2,147,483,647, aprox. 2100M.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i forgot all the types of variables, ill try and find it, then maybe r2 will understand that its not possible to do it even if they wanted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dunno i cant remember the website for my VB class. just look up

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

singe point variable

 

 

 

double point floating variable(i think)

 

 

 

integer

 

 

 

long

 

 

 

varient

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ all the major types of variables.

[Albosky]

They simply like playing it a different way, and the last time I checked, they aren't affecting you AT ALL. considering that no one needs what merchants generaly merchant (they are just rares, no need for them) a merchant doesn't effect you at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is where i have to chime in and disagree. Doesnt affect me at all huh ? Do you seriously think merchants ONLY buy and sell rares? seriously ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about all the lower class merchants?(I dont mean personality wise)

 

 

 

They have to start somewhere to be able to get to the point where they can afford to start buying those useless rares. So they they start with raw materials , armor , etc , etc. A few weeks or so ago , I got a flail from a barrows run and went to sell it, after checking the rs forums for the average price they were selling for , (seemed 1.1m was the average from all the haggling). I decided to sell mine for 1m , a quick easy sale , the guy who kept offering me 900k for it actually had the nerve to say to me "If I buy it for a mil , I'll barely profit to resell"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How DARE you say that merchants "doing their thing" dont affect me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coal 200gp each ? in your dreams

 

 

 

Cowhides 180gp each? HA!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Merchants affect each and every player who trys to buy experience , even if they arent trying to profit from leveling :roll:

[Duke_Freedom]

Without merchants, you would have ended up selling for 800K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Point is that merchants bring down the price ranges of items and make sure someone can easier buy / sell items quickly and in the amounts he wants to buy / sell them. Without merchants, trading would be a lot tougher and item prices would be less stable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saying that merchants aren't "playing the game" is not realising MMO "games" / virtual worlds aren't "games" with a set goal... You can choose your own destiny and way of play in these games. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Merchants don't change the prices because they don't produce nor use anything. They merely turn over materials, being on both the demand and the supply side of the market, which creates for more stable prices.

[jessy87]

Without merchants, you would have ended up selling for 800K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Point is that, in theory, merchants bring down the price ranges of items and make sure someone can easier buy / sell items quickly and in the amounts he wants to buy / sell them. Without merchants, trading would be a lot tougher and item prices would be less stable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saying that merchants aren't "playing the game" is not realising MMO "games" / virtual worlds aren't "games" with a set goal... You can choose your own destiny and way of play in these games. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Merchants don't change the prices because they don't produce nor use anything. They merely turn over materials, being on both the demand and the supply side of the market, which creates for more stable prices.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you say stabilized, others may say over priced. ill admit, merchanting does cause a long term stabilizing factor, the problem is some1 who cant stand on world 2 all day(whether it be patience or cant play 6 hours straight) may infact spend all day trying to sell a flail for 1.1mil, as albosky said by lowerin the price he got rid of it quickly for a nice profit, but the thing about buyin for 1mil..that made me laugh who says this to a potential client...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

duke, r2, id like to ask you both personal questions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

do you deal in long term or short term merchanting.

 

 

 

why do you merchant? seriously if you reach the cap what is left?

 

 

 

do you think its fair to sell something to someone for such a price, watch them accept the offer, turn around sell it 200k-2mil more then you was offered?

[Ycon]

Err... I dont want this to be offensive but ever thought of ->SPENDING<- or ->DOING SOMETHING<- with the money?

 

 

 

Hell, you could sell that on ebay and BUY JAQEX and make em give u more pxls then!

 

 

 

You could drop money, give money to n00bs, buy random stuff you dont need all at the same time 24/7 and still have enuff 2 do that 4 decades! :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#1 indicator that ur spoiled: moaning about 2100M gp cap :lol:

[n64jive]

Why don't they just press the delete all accounts button

 

 

 

Why don't they just press the delete all gp button

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG, Do they Really have buttons for that kind of thing, that just seems unwise!!! 8) 8)

[r2-pleasent]

 

They simply like playing it a different way, and the last time I checked, they aren't affecting you AT ALL. considering that no one needs what merchants generaly merchant (they are just rares, no need for them) a merchant doesn't effect you at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is where i have to chime in and disagree. Doesnt affect me at all huh ? Do you seriously think merchants ONLY buy and sell rares? seriously ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about all the lower class merchants?(I dont mean personality wise)

 

 

 

They have to start somewhere to be able to get to the point where they can afford to start buying those useless rares. So they they start with raw materials , armor , etc , etc. A few weeks or so ago , I got a flail from a barrows run and went to sell it, after checking the rs forums for the average price they were selling for , (seemed 1.1m was the average from all the haggling). I decided to sell mine for 1m , a quick easy sale , the guy who kept offering me 900k for it actually had the nerve to say to me "If I buy it for a mil , I'll barely profit to resell"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How DARE you say that merchants "doing their thing" dont affect me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coal 200gp each ? in your dreams

 

 

 

Cowhides 180gp each? HA!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Merchants affect each and every player who trys to buy experience , even if they arent trying to profit from leveling :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Excuse you my friend, but there is NOTHING wrong with wanting to make a 10% profit. To be honest, most lower class merchants are just trying to scrape together a few 100K's, and are nothing but a positive for people like you. Sure, they might not pay your asking price of 1 Million, but if you don't like what they're paying DO NOT SELL TO THEM! There's over 150 Thousand player logged on simaultaneously at peak hours, and you're getting mad because someone you labelled as a "merchant" is offering you 100K less than your asking price on a Barrows Item? Big deal if he wants to resell it, it's not like he's making much money off you if he does; he'll likely resell it for 1-1.05M, and that will obviously take him some time. People have to start accepting Lower Merchants as players offering a service, because that's what they're doing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure, from the tone of your argument, that you were in no mood to stick around Falador World 2 looking for a buyer. I'm sure that you were in no mood to continuously bump your thread up on the forums. Yet, when someone basically asks you 100K to sell your item, you flip out. How come when people ask recompensation for Nature Running people are so kind? Isn't it basically the exact the same idea... A player offering a service to another for a percentage of the profit? Hell, Nature Runners can get up to 100% of the other player's profits; Merchants are lucky to get 15%!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's time for you people to really start lightening up about players who are just trying to make some GP, in an honest and legit manner. It seems that everyone just associates Merchants with auto-typers and scammers simply because they all involve trading. Honest Merchants, however, are great for the game, and I make sure to sell any Non-Rare item I have to a Merchant, as they work just as hard as anyone else to make a bit of gold (and in most cases, harder).

[jessy87]

how is sitting in world 2 for 2 hours making lets SAY 500k, any harder then cutting magic logs for a day? its not, cutting magic logs, mining rune ore, all very time consuming things which you must compete for sellin stuff isnt like its get or no get thing like mining rune ores. either you beat the other guy or you dont(if theirs competition)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i find you r2, trying to compare this to like afirmative action in the U.S. it means if your black, you automatically at times beat out white people, even if they are more qualified

[Albosky]

I never said there was ANYTHING wrong with trying to turn a profit , try reading my post again....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what I DID say is that I ALREADY offered them a good deal to make their 10% profit , and he had the balls to try and screw another 10% out of me. And not only , he actually TOLD me that he was trying to screw me for extra profit , and this wasnt the first time I have encountered this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My main argument was against the guy saying merchants dont affect other players , when even Duke , who is obviously the most widely recognised name in merchanting , clearly stated that they do indeed affect other players by creating a market stability., Stability and profit I can tolerate , its pure decietful greed that makes me want to puke when I play this game nowadays.

[jessy87]

Stability and profit I can tolerate , its pure decietful greed that makes me want to puke when I play this game nowadays.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats basically, my same thing. after all my hard work and stuff people try screwing me out of my HARD WORKED CASH...lets take a look at my day literally, yesterday i was generous. i gave a blk (g) plate and about 5 addy boots away the other day, 2 pairs a few power ammys and such.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

merchants make me sick because its like, they lie to you, most are like, ull never sell, its not worth that much.. blah blah blah...thats not at all honorable

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

albosky, where did most of your $ come from? was it perhaps your 99 smithing and 87+ crafting, herblore and combat skills?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

duke, whered your $ come from? ive seen you in fally a few times, you lvl 93 or were when i saw you. you've play 4 years now and your only 93? well let me say im rather impressed with you, especially ur documentation on the rares market over the years. but my point is your rather low of a combat and skill level for a 4 year vet. now i can understand wanting $ and all but, whens the last time your mined 1k iron ore? or coal or cut 500+ logs. or ranged blue dragons to get ur prayer crafting up? when the last time you were on a world that was #2 for skill related things?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i just dont see how you people have patience for it, perhaps that to is a reason why i dont like merchants.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

let me say, i got no personal beef with duke, he seems intelligent and logical from his post's but ive never held a real convo with him, so until then he seems fine.

[Brrx]

I got a idea... Maybe jagex should keep it the same and incorporate a system of paper money also in rs! Like in modern day america how coins and dollar bills are. Paper money would be worth like 1k or 100 gp each that would help make currency better for high levels. Then again raising cap works

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That would probably get way to confusing.

[Umega]

Lol i don't care about a gp cap, I'll never get to 2100mil rofl!! :lol:

[tha_boas]

Since the beginning of Runescape 2, the game has evolved greatly. Sure, 2100M was more than anyone could even fathom at the beginning of RS2, but today there are hundreds of players who have more than 2100M (the current gold cap on Runescape). It's time to increase this amount to something like 50-100 Bil, as it causes many players difficulties when they are unable to surpass the 2100M mark. This really would not be very hard to implement, and if it were only effective on P2P, it would give an added incentive for extremely rich players to maintain their membership, as they would be unable to acquire anymore gold pieces on F2P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:oops: buy a few blue phats like i did, i currently have 4 bill in blue phats... i agree with you though, more and more ppl reach 2.1bill and if he wants to just keep the money and no rares then he can't get more (same with exp and lvl caps, you want more but you are limited), buying phats is a very good alternative for this though

[Duke_Freedom]

what I DID say is that I ALREADY offered them a good deal to make their 10% profit , and he had the balls to try and screw another 10% out of me. And not only , he actually TOLD me that he was trying to screw me for extra profit , and this wasnt the first time I have encountered this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

merchants make me sick because its like, they lie to you, most are like, ull never sell, its not worth that much.. blah blah blah...thats not at all honorable

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you both for these two great quotes, allows me to say a bit more about merchants..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Albosky, why are you mad at that guy for wanting more profit? He's even being honest about it and, in fact, he's actually saying you could sell for more yourself, if you want to spend the time doing so! It's your choice to sell to him anyway (he offers you a quick sale and admits it's a low price) or try to sell for your own price and thus spend more time selling. Yes, he could buy at 1mil as well and still make profit, but apparently he doesn't want to do so as it's not worth his time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think a lot of "merchants" can learn a lot of that example, lack of honesty is one of the greatest problems of merchanting and one of the biggest reasons why people hate merchants in the first place. Now one is being honest and you are still complaining.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I quoted jessy87 as well, because the typical nowadays "merchant" would have been much more dishonest. Like jessy87 mentioned, he would have said that the flail is worth only 900K and that you won't ever sell for more, even though he just wants to buy it to sell it for 1.1mil. Or do you actually prefer this type of merchant above the one who is honest about his "need" to profit more, albosky?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is he "greedy" because he wants more profit though?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not necessarily. Let's take the hypothetical situation that I was in that merchants position. Let's say I could earn 300K / hour by using my skills. That means I would want to earn more then 300K / hour by merchanting, because if I do skills I also get experience.

 

 

 

Now let's simplify the situation greatly by saying I make all my money from merchanting flails. Let's say that I know I can sell them quite easily for 1.1mil each, and that selling for higher is a pain. I go on and test a bit and seem to get the following numbers:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- If I buy flails for 900K each I can buy 2 per hour

 

 

 

- If I buy flails for 1mil each I can buy 3 per hour

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if I would buy the flails at 900K each, that means I would make 2*200K profit = 400K / hour. If I would buy them at 1mil each I would be able to buy one more per hour, but I would make 3*100K profit = 300K / hour. Firstly, I wouldn't want to do that because it means I could make the same amount / hour by using skills and get exp in the meanwhile. Plus, I could also maximize my profits better by just buying for 100K less.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In reality, noone is going to make these calculations ofcourse. But it is still that kind of thinking why people want to make more profit / item. It's either to maximize their profits better or to make merchanting even worthwhile for them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your point that merchants do have influence on the market is true. If we exclude price manipulation and lying merchants, then their contribution to the economy is only positive in the way that in makes the price ranges of items smaller. This, in general, should ensure that "normal" buyers and sellers can buy and sell their items for a better price for themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

duke, whered your $ come from? ive seen you in fally a few times, you lvl 93 or were when i saw you. you've play 4 years now and your only 93? my point is your rather low of a combat and skill level for a 4 year vet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, I only played 3 years and have been quite inactive in rs during the past year. My money comes solely from merchanting / investing in rares. My skills aren't all that bad if you stop focussing too much on combat skills as so many people do... I have over 2/3rds of your total exp.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still that doesn't really say much. Like I said, there is no set goal in this "game". People saying it's all about having good skills do not know what they are talking about... The game is about setting your own goals and working on them. Becomming rich is a common goal of many people and just because there is no highscores for it doesn't mean that it's a stupid goal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i just dont see how you people have patience for it, perhaps that to is a reason why i dont like merchants.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't sound all that objective to me :P. Oh well, I never expected to have the patience to actively merchant for a full year when I heard gasheart did that. I ended up doing the same thing as well :).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's the use of bils of money?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's the use of 99 skill's... That's my reply.

[Pur304]

Why on earth would you want more than 2100m? I can't think of any functional item (on its own) worth more than 25m.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you play RuneScape just to gather money? Have you ever thought how thats more money than 1000's of players put together? Have you ever thought of how you could help people with that EXCESS?

[scougre]

am i wrong if i say that this would effect the prices of rares?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and god pls no reponses of price manipulator.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

point of having bills : been able to buy anything

 

 

 

point of having 99 skills : being able to do everything.

[jessy87]

ignorance is bliss duke, id almost rather let my imagination say to me conscience mind "hes just tryin to complete his set" "hes not going to make $ off your stupidity" id rather them humor my imagination then flaunt me lack of patience perhaps ignorance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oh and, duke let me say its rather nice to see someone who is rather open minded as you. i know any who read your statement about 99 stats was like well duh independance or something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

at least your like whats the point? its been done why should i do it then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

bravo, an original thought on this forum for once.