Before I start in the "argument" I would like to state that I am not a merchant, but I respect them greatly. (Them being the honest merchants) Mine is a short argument, but I'll bbs.

 

 

 

duke, whered your $ come from? ive seen you in fally a few times, you lvl 93 or were when i saw you. you've play 4 years now and your only 93? my point is your rather low of a combat and skill level for a 4 year vet

 

 

 

I am coming close to my 5th year aniversary on rs, and yet I don't even have 100 combat. The reason for this is that I hate serious leveling, and instead spend my time HAVING FUN, which is how the game is meant to be played. (I also took a lot of breaks, but thats not the point.)

 

 

 

i just dont see how you people have patience for it, perhaps that to is a reason why i dont like merchants.

 

 

 

You hate merchants because you are impatient? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's the use of bils of money?

 

 

 

What's the use of 99 skill's... That's my reply.

All I have to say to this is: OWNED.

This is what 20 lvl 3's r for :lol:

am i wrong if i say that this would effect the prices of rares?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and god pls no reponses of price manipulator.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Jagex continues to do nothing about it when it's becomming more important then yes, it will have a possitive effect on the prices of rares. I'm sure that, as it becomes an issue for more people, Jagex will do something about it though.

Before I start in the "argument" I would like to state that I am not a merchant, but I respect them greatly. (Them being the honest merchants) Mine is a short argument, but I'll bbs.

 

 

 

duke, whered your $ come from? ive seen you in fally a few times, you lvl 93 or were when i saw you. you've play 4 years now and your only 93? my point is your rather low of a combat and skill level for a 4 year vet

 

 

 

I am coming close to my 5th year aniversary on rs, and yet I don't even have 100 combat. The reason for this is that I hate serious leveling, and instead spend my time HAVING FUN, which is how the game is meant to be played. (I also took a lot of breaks, but thats not the point.)

 

 

 

i just dont see how you people have patience for it, perhaps that to is a reason why i dont like merchants.

 

 

 

You hate merchants because you are impatient? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's the use of bils of money?

 

 

 

What's the use of 99 skill's... That's my reply.

All I have to say to this is: OWNED.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i have fun all the time on this game, or try to, i try not takin it super serious, ive played castle wars for i dunno, 2 hours this week i guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think its kind of fun to raise my combat lvl and compete with people in the game. thats my own version of fun, who are you to question that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no i dont hate merchants soley because im impatient, perhaps you should get some patience and read all my post's on this. i dont like merchants because they lie, and they make $ off my impatience. they also are the reason somethings get "undercut" in price, yet the do stabilize prices hence why i did not mention such things

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im not impatient in such a way that i couldnt do things like this or that, its just what do i show for standing on world 2 falador for 6 hours? a couple coins...well i could go cut wood for that matter, maybe make less $ but yet i could GAIN EXP. thats where my impatience comes in, im not lvling, im not gettin exp, im not showing any kind of advancement in the game other the $ wise and this... this can all be stolen away from some1 who trojans your computer, exp cant be taken so easily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

barrows items every day are lowered more more because of merchanting and supply +demand...but the idea is if you see one guy sellin a flail for 1.1m and another guy trying to buy 900k, dont you think every 1 might do try to buy for 900k somewhat FORCING the price down. now this make barrowing less of a $ making thing. yet they undercut prices of rares, and then try forcing them up. i believe R2 did something similar to this a year ago? but anyway...bloodveld, i dont believe you actually posted on the actual topic of this thread... perhaps next time you shouldnt really spam :)

 

Why don't they just press the delete all accounts button

 

 

 

Why don't they just press the delete all gp button

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG, Do they Really have buttons for that kind of thing, that just seems unwise!!! 8) 8)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, what if the Jagex people are just setting by the buttons, and a fly comes, and it lands on a guys head, and the guy next to him is like "Im gunna get that fly", and knocks the guy out, and he lands on the button......

Before I start in the "argument" I would like to state that I am not a merchant, but I respect them greatly. (Them being the honest merchants) Mine is a short argument, but I'll bbs.

 

 

 

duke, whered your $ come from? ive seen you in fally a few times, you lvl 93 or were when i saw you. you've play 4 years now and your only 93? my point is your rather low of a combat and skill level for a 4 year vet

 

 

 

I am coming close to my 5th year aniversary on rs, and yet I don't even have 100 combat. The reason for this is that I hate serious leveling, and instead spend my time HAVING FUN, which is how the game is meant to be played. (I also took a lot of breaks, but thats not the point.)

 

 

 

i just dont see how you people have patience for it, perhaps that to is a reason why i dont like merchants.

 

 

 

You hate merchants because you are impatient? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

What's the use of bils of money?

 

 

 

What's the use of 99 skill's... That's my reply.

All I have to say to this is: OWNED.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you bloodveld. I'm not exactly sure when I started playing, but I know I'mm getting close to 5 years, and have probably aready passed that mark. I am currently 93 combat, and if you want any of my other stats, they are all on the highscores. I play the game off and on, and lately I've been spending more time here than the game. I play the game for me, and won't just buy my way through stats.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back on topic, I have 0.1% of the cap, and I don't want it changed. Even if I had 2.1bil, I wouldn't want it changed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I sorta hate merchants, not really sure why. Maybe cause they lie. I would probably be more likely to sell to one that is honest about offering a low price. Or maybe I hate merchants because i find them greedy. If I hade 2.1 bil, I would probably throw a 2 billion gp drop part. I also find phats, santa hats, and masks worthless. They have no purpose other than to look nice. I actually like the "buy all phats and destroy them" idea, but thats jsut my opinion.

This is NOT about merchants. Not about making money but it IS about raising the GP CAP!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I say yes to raise the GP cap becuase its stupid. You pay for this game and you can only keep a certain ammount of money? STUPID! at least raise it to 21Billion...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have respect for merchanters. Certainly Duke Freedom and Rs2 Peasant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They started just like you did and everyone else. They only played the game smarter. Its their choice on what they spend their time. They could easely get some 99 levels. Think about prayer (buy bones), crafting (buy hides), rc (fast free laws 66), smithing (buy bars), fletching (buy materials)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Admit it... they are as good as Zezima or other top players. I can see why you guys are jalous about them but you don't have to hate or flame them. Its only a game. If you can't change your mind, my suggestion is to retire untill you CAN understand that these people have a better tactic of playing this game then you.

I got a idea... Maybe jagex should keep it the same and incorporate a system of paper money also in rs! Like in modern day america how coins and dollar bills are. Paper money would be worth like 1k or 100 gp each that would help make currency better for high levels. Then again raising cap works

 

 

 

had this idea ages ago, basically have a large coin or note that is worth 1k, and maybe a really bug one for 1M. they are transferrable at the bank, and make trades easier, as there is an obvious difference between a 1k coin and 1000gp

This is NOT about merchants. Not about making money but it IS about raising the GP CAP!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I say yes to raise the GP cap becuase its stupid. You pay for this game and you can only keep a certain ammount of money? STUPID! at least raise it to 21Billion...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have respect for merchanters. Certainly Duke Freedom and Rs2 Peasant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They started just like you did and everyone else. They only played the game smarter. Its their choice on what they spend their time. They could easely get some 99 levels. Think about prayer (buy bones), crafting (buy hides), rc (fast free laws 66), smithing (buy bars), fletching (buy materials)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Admit it... they are as good as Zezima or other top players. I can see why you guys are jalous about them but you don't have to hate or flame them. Its only a game. If you can't change your mind, my suggestion is to retire untill you CAN understand that these people have a better tactic of playing this game then you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

is it jealously? or hatred because they do not do what most people do? which is level skills and have fun.

im verry sorry for this!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

removed - totally disgusting and totally out of place ~Albosky

Believe me, Merchanting is more fun then hitting a rock the whole day...

 

This is NOT about merchants. Not about making money but it IS about raising the GP CAP!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I say yes to raise the GP cap becuase its stupid. You pay for this game and you can only keep a certain ammount of money? STUPID! at least raise it to 21Billion...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have respect for merchanters. Certainly Duke Freedom and Rs2 Peasant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They started just like you did and everyone else. They only played the game smarter. Its their choice on what they spend their time. They could easely get some 99 levels. Think about prayer (buy bones), crafting (buy hides), rc (fast free laws 66), smithing (buy bars), fletching (buy materials)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Admit it... they are as good as Zezima or other top players. I can see why you guys are jalous about them but you don't have to hate or flame them. Its only a game. If you can't change your mind, my suggestion is to retire untill you CAN understand that these people have a better tactic of playing this game then you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

is it jealously? or hatred because they do not do what most people do? which is level skills and have fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slow down a second, why does the general public believe that Merchants don't have "fun"? I find Party Hat merchanting to be very fun, as I'm mostly just chatting with my in-game friends on World 2. I also love the feeling when I make a really good trade, especially when it takes a long period of negotiation before-hand.

...or you could just spend about half the money you have and there ya go...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Problem solved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whats the point of increasing the GP cap when there is already too much GP in circulation to begin with? Not only that... but whats the point in increasing the cap when the people who want it increased don't seem to have any intentions of spending it at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're pretty much just asking for the cap to increase because you can't get anymore richer. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And whoever used the skills thing as a counter arguement... I'm disappointed. Without skills... about 95% of the GP in circulation wouldn't even exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have absolutely nothing against merchants... but if you aren't gonna even spend 1/4 of the money you make... why even bother merchanting? Seriously... :? :roll:

...or you could just spend about half the money you have and there ya go...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Problem solved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whats the point of increasing the GP cap when there is already too much GP in circulation to begin with? Not only that... but whats the point in increasing the cap when the people who want it increased don't seem to have any intentions of spending it at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're pretty much just asking for the cap to increase because you can't get anymore richer. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And whoever used the skills thing as a counter arguement... I'm disappointed. Without skills... about 95% of the GP in circulation wouldn't even exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have absolutely nothing against merchants... but if you aren't gonna even spend 1/4 of the money you make... why even bother merchanting? Seriously... :? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem, like I have said before, lies in those uninformed about the cap. Any player who is unfortunate enough to go over the cap will lose ALL his GP, and as this post shows, barely anybody even knows this cap exists. Now, I agree, there's really no reason to be holding 2100M at the moment (but there are some cases where it does make sense). However, in the very near future, Party Hat Sets will be worth well over a Billion GP. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sets go over the cap by next year, assuming no major changes take place in the economy. If this rings true, then we are likely to see HUGE problems with players losing BILLIONS just because of some cap.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do like the proposition of introducing paper money, which would almost be like certs in Classic. One Paper dollar could be worth 1000 GP, and would therefore increase the cap to a whopping 2.1 Trillion (plus another 2.1 Billion in Gold Pieces). This would alleviate any problems, without creating any new ones.

There should be a rs goverment tax on everything you earn, thus preventing people from reaching the gp cap, problem solved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They won't increase it because they don't want banks to take up more memory, they never intended people to get rich off an item they addded to the game for fun, simple as.

4 phat sets = already the gp cap?

Someone said introducing new coins would reduce scamming... yet think of it changing out a 1mil coin for a 1gp coin...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have nothing against the honest merchants, personally I'll admit it, I'm jealous because when I tried to merchant once I came out -2.3mil.. If someone's idea of fun is to get the most money and merchant as best they can then let them. If you like to make money by skills then do it. Don't flame over it.

Someone said introducing new coins would reduce scamming... yet think of it changing out a 1mil coin for a 1gp coin...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have nothing against the honest merchants, personally I'll admit it, I'm jealous because when I tried to merchant once I came out -2.3mil.. If someone's idea of fun is to get the most money and merchant as best they can then let them. If you like to make money by skills then do it. Don't flame over it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

w00t... ive 2300bil gp

 

...or you could just spend about half the money you have and there ya go...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Problem solved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whats the point of increasing the GP cap when there is already too much GP in circulation to begin with? Not only that... but whats the point in increasing the cap when the people who want it increased don't seem to have any intentions of spending it at all?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're pretty much just asking for the cap to increase because you can't get anymore richer. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And whoever used the skills thing as a counter arguement... I'm disappointed. Without skills... about 95% of the GP in circulation wouldn't even exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have absolutely nothing against merchants... but if you aren't gonna even spend 1/4 of the money you make... why even bother merchanting? Seriously... :? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem, like I have said before, lies in those uninformed about the cap. Any player who is unfortunate enough to go over the cap will lose ALL his GP, and as this post shows, barely anybody even knows this cap exists. Now, I agree, there's really no reason to be holding 2100M at the moment (but there are some cases where it does make sense). However, in the very near future, Party Hat Sets will be worth well over a Billion GP. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sets go over the cap by next year, assuming no major changes take place in the economy. If this rings true, then we are likely to see HUGE problems with players losing BILLIONS just because of some cap.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do like the proposition of introducing paper money, which would almost be like certs in Classic. One Paper dollar could be worth 1000 GP, and would therefore increase the cap to a whopping 2.1 Trillion (plus another 2.1 Billion in Gold Pieces). This would alleviate any problems, without creating any new ones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do agree that this is a problem. Jagex should at least have a "The bank can not hold any more of this item for you" message, maybe make it more creative or something like saying its for insurance reasons, instead of just letting you reset your gp. But I do think there should be a cap, just because I don't think anyone should ever be that rediculously rich. If POH's ever come out, maybe you could get a masion or something. Show off your wealth, don't let it collect dust in the bank. Maybe the clothes shop could add new merchan clothes, which could be priced in the millions, with a tux or something prised at 1 billion for each piece. This could also have something like a top hat and a monicule. The full set would show your skill as a merchant, and would eat up all that excess money you don't know what to do with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About people hating merchants, its a predjudice. Like I said before, I don't know why I hate them, I'm not jealous, they don't hurt me, I just don't like them. It's a hatred with no reason behind it.

Really the main problem I have is that the people who merchant party hats and have party hats make money off something that is being used for what it was never intended for. In fact if it wasn't for players like myself who personally alched over 50 party hat sets and I know im not hte only one who did that party hats wouldnt be worth what they are today. Andrew gower himself said they turned into something he never wanted. Nothing in this game and i do mean NOTHING should be worth oever 10 million GP im sorry. Just b/c people pk'd with them, alched them, or just dropped them for bankspace now people who dont even play the game, but use it for a chat service standing around all day (which yes if thats what you like blah blah) Please dont throw the whole (if you had a set you woudnt argue you are jealous) bs at me...I could buy 2 sets right now if I wanted. One really negative thing this has caused is that players that were banned and have now gotten their character back with 2 party hat sets are instantly worth more than 90 % of runescape....and they were BANNED and came back. Don't tell me that little arrogant [puncture]s dont sit there and run the price up and down to suit their needs b/c they do and no one should be able to fluctuate that much GP on the game.

I believe in caps. Fact is I find it funny that people would bother to hoard so much gp... If they feel the game is bout money let 'em be but personally I think the best thing Jagex could do is limit it. I think they should put weight on a gp... put weight on all items so it affects agility, I also think it should be a drain on your strength and your hits - thus "Encumberment!". I don't think your bank should be able to hold 80 tons of gp for you either... maybe if they had thought of that early on then many player made item values would be more realistic in ratio.

wow, didn't know that, but since i'm really rich (erm.. ) then yes i agree, it must be annoying to have a cap on gp.. i can't imagine why it was ever placed..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because everything has to have limits.

heres the main thing that would work, 4 different coins.

 

 

 

Bronze coin = .01 of a silver coin

 

 

 

Silver coin = .01 of a bronze coin

 

 

 

Gold coin = .01 of a Dragon coin

 

 

 

dragon coin = 100 gold coins

 

 

 

1000 silver coins

 

 

 

10,000 bronze coins

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now have a 2.1 bil coin cap on each

 

 

 

it now takes 4 bank spaces, but allows you to hold way more coins

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you can ask the banker to make so many bronze coins into a gold coin, or silver or dragon and etc

About people hating merchants, its a predjudice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

first slavery, then hitler, now people on internet forums. WHEN DOES IT END??!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

again, im sure jagex would rather have runescape be an item for item economy where the richest are those who actually play the game instead of those who dont do anything for skills or combat and just make trade after trade to increase their networth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you try and come onto these forums where a majority of these people havent seen 10m yet to get people on your side, but it doesnt work. you are a minority, and very few people want to see runescape turn into moneyscape where everyone is just trying to get rich and not playing the actual game itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no ones yet debated my argument, could one of you defending r2 give me your reasons why im not right?

 

About people hating merchants, its a predjudice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

first slavery, then hitler, now people on internet forums. WHEN DOES IT END??!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

again, im sure jagex would rather have runescape be an item for item economy where the richest are those who actually play the game instead of those who dont do anything for skills or combat and just make trade after trade to increase their networth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you try and come onto these forums where a majority of these people havent seen 10m yet to get people on your side, but it doesnt work. you are a minority, and very few people want to see runescape turn into moneyscape where everyone is just trying to get rich and not playing the actual game itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no ones yet debated my argument, could one of you defending r2 give me your reasons why im not right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, even if GP was removed (which would cause MASSIVE problems to gameplay), and all trades were technically conducted in "item for item" as you stated, how would that hurt merchants? If anything, merchants could make much more profit, as the item values would be MUCH LESS defined than they are with a common currency. Secondly, how do you know what Jagex wants people to do on Runescape? If you ask me, all Jagex really cares about is that people upgrade from F2P to P2P. If players are paying membership fees and abiding by Runescape's rules, then I don't think Jagex could care less if people want to get rich or raise their skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you're using the word Jagex instead of YOU. You don't like the idea that other players can make more money than you've got in total within a couple of hours. However, the majority of merchants make less than 500K / Hour, and are not selling Party Hats, Crackers, or even Small Rares like Santas. They're selling coal, yews, herbs, and other raw materials at normal prices, facilitating the game for those players in need. The amount of merchants actually buying and selling Party Hats is usually around 10-15 at any given time, which is really an EXTREMELY SMALL, perhaps obsolete, percentage of the Runescape population. And the players who are merchanting these items didn't just find 100 Mil on the ground. They worked for it, just like anyone else, either by staking, merchanting, or *guess what* by using skills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the end though, this is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to my first post. For some reason, people are posting here, acting as if Merchants are the only players with large amounts of wealth. However, the majority of Billionaires are NOT merchants; they are either early 85 Slayers, Stakers, or just investors who purchased their Rares in bulk back when the prices were much lower.