The Combat triangle=Unbalanced?

[Kevin_]

At the moment the Triangle is Highly weighted towards Melee/Mage both of them being about equal, and together they're a deadly Combo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rangers are MILES behind, Even with 2 rangers on 1 meleer you probably couldn't kill them...

 

 

 

Exactly

[kimkoen]

I know some people are gonna flame me for this but hey, who cares really?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just now a thought occured to me, Magic is the only form of combat (not including prayer) that has no weapon with a special. I think they should change this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know ancient mage is powerful but what if it was a staff unusable with ancient mage? As ancient mage is Zaro's magic the staff could be symbolised, say by Zammy or armydal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watcha think :?:

 

 

 

mage melee hybride whip + agrim and ice barrage :s

[RaDiVaXx]

The triangle is allready good, Rangers own mages,and meleers..

 

 

 

Mages pwnz ranger and meleers..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its like melee are to unpowered but ;P

[Tommy213]

Yeah mages are way to overpowerd an acient using ice barrge could kill like 6 lvl 100+'s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rangers ill say need an update like dragon arrows or something lol.

 

 

 

Or a better special.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmmm melee dont really need anything at the moment 8)

[RumbleFish1]

You are right about the triangle being unbalanced, however magic gets the best deal when it comes to p2p so i really don't see the need for a special. You can't give a group that are already so advantaged an even bigger one. There are thousands of spells and when you are trainging you don't even get hit so require no food and you can easily hit 16's when only lvl 60 mage etc and it isn;t that expensive in fact

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that was just stupid.ranging doesnt get hit either and meleers can take a iron hally from lvl 3 whats the point?

[gimmem0ney]

Lets say u have a 99 str warrior, a 99 mage, and a 99 ranger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Melee: D dag spec, 4 times with 1 spec bar, every hit able to hit 30+ and u get 2 hits each spec.........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mages: freeze, hit very good, even on armor that is supposed to have high resistence against magic and the ability to stop ppl from teleing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ranger: (we'll use MSB as an example, since its the only bow with a special that could be useful in pking) max hit is around 22?

 

 

 

U can only do 1 special with a WHOLE spec bar, and you'll still only hit twice without alot more damage per hit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically this just shows that warriors have a HUGE advantage as they can KO ppl very easily.

 

 

 

Not just the d dag spec hits high, but the high hits with whip, and its very high speed allows u to have your opponent eat 70% of the fight.

 

 

 

And when u get your opponent on low health u have 4 specials to use, each special consists of 2 hits, each capable of hitting 30+, meaning u could hit 60 with each spec u get!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mages have the ability to stop there opponent from teleing and moving, so even though mages dont have the ko ability that the warriors have, they can easily stop there prey from getting away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rangers.......... Well um...... We have a crappy special (yes, it does have a little ko chance, but still doesnt compare with dds spec), we cant stop our opponent from moving or teleing, and at 99 range u max hit is 22 with msb?

 

 

 

Mages can hit 30 at lvl 80 magic (god spell+ charge) and warriors can hit 22 at about lvl 80 strength? (Correct me on this please, i always have been more of a ranger/mage than a warrior)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically rangers are the hardest to get a kill with.

 

 

 

Plus we could take a look at barrows as well:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Melee got 4 DIFFERENT types of armor, all with awesome specials on their full armor (except for torags, but it makes up with its huge defence bonus).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mages got ahrims, special isnt really good, but the stats are great.

 

 

 

U get a very nice magic bonus, and it has by far the best defence bonus of all the mage robes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yet again.............. rangers?

 

 

 

We got an armor with almost the same stats as black dragonhide, but a slightly higher mage defence bonus, and the special is practically useless for pking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What i'm trying to say here is that mages are pretty easy to get kills with (though it costs alot), warrior have a huge chance on ko's and rangers got practically nothing that is comparable to what the mages and warriors have.

 

 

 

If there is any class that is underpowered and needs updates, its the rangers.

[DDA]

Right now I believe the only thing that is lacking is range. Jagex should re-introduce the double special magic bow, that would really even things up again.

[Warlover]

I opened up this thread thinking "Oh no, another 'mages are overpowered' thread." Boy was I wrong :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like to be different :P

[Warlover]

This is what happens when a nub bases his opinion on his 65 Mage (I'm sure he doesn't even have Ancient Magic). Magic is overpowered if anything, especially in the Wilderness. The ability to not only freeze a target, but also prevent him from Teleporting, makes Mages the most dangerous things north of Edgeville. I'd much rather see some improvements for Rangers, if we're still on the subject of BALANCING the triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually i finished desert treasure with 55 mage, i agree mage is overpowered some what but, you all talk like EVERY mage can cast EVERY spell and has the money or skills to obtain runes easily. There are people who dont like using ancient mage because it takes to long to obtain the runes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know some people are gonna flame me for this but hey, who cares really?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just now a thought occured to me, Magic is the only form of combat (not including prayer) that has no weapon with a special. I think they should change this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know ancient mage is powerful but what if it was a staff unusable with ancient mage? As ancient mage is Zaro's magic the staff could be symbolised, say by Zammy or armydal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watcha think :?:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

erm...zaros isnt an ancient mage buddy.....if you notice the symbols are diffrent. and did you do the quest?! it talks about some dog-like god or camel.......(hinted by latest desert quest)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ancient mage is Zaros

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ancient staff bears the symbol of Zaros

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Azzandra the guy freed from pyramid is one of Zaros msot powerful mages

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The camel headed guy was juts one the many majhartt in runescape and they are zaros followers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Check your facts before mocking people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks i could'nt be bothered to correct him

[Bloodveld]

Actually i finished desert treasure with 55 mage, i agree mage is overpowered some what but, you all talk like EVERY mage can cast EVERY spell and has the money or skills to obtain runes easily. There are people who dont like using ancient mage because it takes to long to obtain the runes

Not every meleer can afford full veracs, but that doesn't make melee underpowered/worthless.

 

 

 

you may use ancient magick but you sure don't know how to spell it correctly. :P

Good work with the completely worthless post :roll:

 

 

 

Mages can hit 30 at lvl 80 magic (god spell+ charge) and warriors can hit 22 at about lvl 80 strength? (Correct me on this please, i always have been more of a ranger/mage than a warrior)

At 80 str a meleer in dharok can hit 50+

[Guest AshKaYu]

 

This is what happens when a nub bases his opinion on his 65 Mage (I'm sure he doesn't even have Ancient Magic). Magic is overpowered if anything, especially in the Wilderness. The ability to not only freeze a target, but also prevent him from Teleporting, makes Mages the most dangerous things north of Edgeville. I'd much rather see some improvements for Rangers, if we're still on the subject of BALANCING the triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the next time you ever step in the wild to pk is the day I quit rs, so dont give your opinion when you have no idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have. Rangers fall quicker, rangers lose. It doesnt matter if you have 80 range, a lv70 Full Runer will still beat you. Have you seen a war in F2P? Look at the corpses, and you will see Maple bows, maple bows and maple bows./quote]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rangers are supposed to lose to melee so whats your point? bloodveld was saying he's up from killing mages, which is what rangers are supposed to kill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once I get my next ranging level I'll be happy to duel any mage, even if they have 99 mage (I'll have 99 range ). And something tells me I'll be the one winning

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My RSN is True_Cabbage, for those of you who might want to challenge me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in no armor duels obby rings rule everything, doesnt matter if they use mage or melee lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now, c-bow isnt idealy the weapon to use since its slower then a magic short but yet more accurate...its all about things, i mean im 90 magic 88 def, in blk d hide top i rarely get froze with a "glancing" ice burst, now a concentrated 1, well im pretty much dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it doesnt matter if it hits more than one or not, its the same accuracy for you. also crystal bow is worse than karils and msb when it comes to pking and I'd rather take the crap shot at a 20 20 spec than consistent 22s any day, but since he used it as his example I just kept with the crystal bow thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3, rsc, classic's magic training wasnt nearly as quick from what ive seen, all i know is on classic ive *heard*(key word) training magic was much easier on classic, but more expensive

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mage was the only thing easier to lvl on rsc b/c all the spells gave double xp. then again fire waves only hit 10 max so it wasnt a combat style in itself, just extra damage while you were fighting (I use "just" lightly, fire waves helped a ton).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still think that its a combination of range being weak (underpowered in the sense that it cant ko anything due to it only hitting 22s max while sharks heal 20) and melee being overpowered than mage being overpowered. ancients only hold people still while dealing some damage (albeit damage far too slow to ko anybody by itself) and thats only a disadvantage if you are purely a melee with no range or mage on you, in which case you should be losing anyway b/c mage > melee on the triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but the problem is that Mages can kill rangers too, even if the ranger has 10 more levels, they will just Fire Blast, Fire Blast, Fire Blast em. Rangers will lose against everyone, Melee will lose against mage, and Mage won't lose.

[jessy87]

 

Actually i finished desert treasure with 55 mage, i agree mage is overpowered some what but, you all talk like EVERY mage can cast EVERY spell and has the money or skills to obtain runes easily. There are people who dont like using ancient mage because it takes to long to obtain the runes

Not every meleer can afford full veracs, but that doesn't make melee underpowered/worthless

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

let me just comment on bloodvelds post...verac is a bit expensive, i mean 2nd most expensive set... me i recently bought a set for 6.1mil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the verac special is so...unpredictable id say, noone REALLY knows what it does for certain, all we know is its supposed to "ignore armor" but, it can and will hit the max on someone using protect from melee. so its a questionable set, does it do the prayer thing only? or does it do both? or is it such a good set because, its like +85 str with a fairly good crush bonus and the crush being the weak point in all metal armors (except chains.) does this make it good? or are we imagining that its THAT good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ill shorten this up and say, this set has some hybridding uses to it, full verac with glory god cape mystic gloves and wizard boots gives the WHOLE set -6 magic penalty that includes the flail, when flail is swaped for ancient staff your talking +9 magic bonus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pker/staker's delight is all i have to say. and it really pleases me to ;)

[Bloodveld]

 

 

 

the verac special is so...unpredictable id say, noone REALLY knows what it does for certain, all we know is its supposed to "ignore armor" but, it can and will hit the max on someone using protect from melee. so its a questionable set, does it do the prayer thing only? or does it do both? or is it such a good set because, its like +85 str with a fairly good crush bonus and the crush being the weak point in all metal armors (except chains.) does this make it good? or are we imagining that its THAT good.

 

 

 

During the tipit fight pits event, I beat Trojann2 on a 1 on 1 duel, (I was wearing full verac, he was wearing whip and strong armor) he had food, I didn't. He was a higher level than me as well. What it does is ignore the armor bonus of humans, and let you hit them. As theres no special [animation,] no one knows exactly when it happens, but it defenatly (sp?) hits a lot. I can kill a dharok my same level with full verac without even getting hit once. THAT is not just my imagination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(NOTE: It's early and my spelling is probably bad, as I'm still quite asleep. :lol:)

[silver24-7]

magic is really fast and easy to level, can level it for free at 55 mage and 70 fletch.

 

 

 

lol so in your eyes grabbing a scimmy and smacking at monsters costs money ? -.-

[kwimbob]

 

magic is really fast and easy to level, can level it for free at 55 mage and 70 fletch.

 

 

 

lol so in your eyes grabbing a scimmy and smacking at monsters costs money ? -.-

 

 

 

Why won't you ppl leave that fact alone! It's a fact! That's it! He's not saying that magic is the easiest and cheapest skill to lvl up. He's saying that there are ways to lvl it up cheap and fast. He's not saying that there are no other skills with those same qualities! Stop bringing up that quote!

[X-Arcade-X]

The triangle might be unbalanced, but hey, ancient mages are paying 2k per shot at that ice barridge. Why shouldn't they own? :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The strongest weapon in melee costs around 3 mil. The armors cost even more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An MSB and full black d-hide cost a very minute amount compared to the prices above. And you can get back 80% of those rune arrows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't get why they shouldn't get the short end of the stick. :?

[mario_sunny]

 

 

You can do alot with magic that you cant with melee, range..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except kill a ranger :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tell tht to the rangers in blk d-hide and crystal bow tht die like flies to ancient mages

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes, the ancienters get very annoying and always go after us(the crystal bowers) in c wars and the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hate ancients pl0x :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although we do own mysticers :D

[jessy87]

 

 

 

 

the verac special is so...unpredictable id say, noone REALLY knows what it does for certain, all we know is its supposed to "ignore armor" but, it can and will hit the max on someone using protect from melee. so its a questionable set, does it do the prayer thing only? or does it do both? or is it such a good set because, its like +85 str with a fairly good crush bonus and the crush being the weak point in all metal armors (except chains.) does this make it good? or are we imagining that its THAT good.

 

 

 

During the tipit fight pits event, I beat Trojann2 on a 1 on 1 duel, (I was wearing full verac, he was wearing whip and strong armor) he had food, I didn't. He was a higher level than me as well. What it does is ignore the armor bonus of humans, and let you hit them. As theres no special [animation,] no one knows exactly when it happens, but it defenatly (sp?) hits a lot. I can kill a dharok my same level with full verac without even getting hit once. THAT is not just my imagination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but its like, ive killed tons of dharokers when i was wearing full rune with a d dagger and whip combo with taking minimal hits from 0-30

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

perhaps thats why some people find dharok just worthless, i personally LIKE the idea...but a little risky and too slow and innaccurate

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

btw bloodveld, its "definately" i know youve misspelled it a few times and i thought id be nice to help ya out a little

[gamesindians]

mage is good,range is good, melee is good. range has the advantage of attacking at a range (duh!). mage has a vast field of abiliteies and minimal range. melee hits according to individual stats, hence possible strong,close, attack power. what i said so far is the obvious. I dont know why you guys have disputes on this. for the most part, p2p mage has various point where is can overpower rangers. if the triangle was uneven, wouldnt jagex fix it? the mage have the powerful ancient magicks on their side. But... rangers also have a weapon to specifically counteract the mage: the seercull(cullseer?). it has the special of lowering the magic level by the attack damage. that way, the triangle is motrre even than most would have thought. if u think what i just posted is retarted, dont tell me.

[jessy87]

seercull is so impratical in the wildy... max hit with rune arrows is like 22, and 22 wouldnt even lower my magic enough for my NOT to be able to do ice burst

[kudos6969]

you go to wilderness as a mage you dont take resotre pot cahnces are you wont need, some guy hits you for 20 with seercull and bam your completly stopped and useless because you cant cat your spells, if a melee or rangers goes below either 50 range or 60-70 attck they still can still use there weapons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

range is good double spec is to strong specially for multi. mages are good but ice barrage is 2500gp per spell if u cast say 20-40 barrages in a 1 on 1 fight non multi then thats 75k you have spent. equally it is lvl 94 to use... a msb is only ro range and dragon weps only 60.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but dragon dagger personnaly is to overpowerd same goes for the whip, dagger should be reduced to 2 specs max, and whip should be slower, i know that as a mage with 97 magic on 80 defense in black hide i hit about 3 times out of 8-9 goes, and on 1 defense noobs i can hit say 20 damage plus every time lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

when i range i always take tangle and tb runes wearing god cape, mystic hat, boots or farseerhelm. then i can range awayand still have the tb and stopping them motion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

from this i can see that the only way to really be any good is to use both, and reduce dragon daggers to 2 specs, i think this would ballance it out more, rangers wont be to underpowered, mages have more chance vs melee that arent specing 30-27, 28-28 dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

good combos are melee with mage taking splitbark top and mystic bottom (protect whip :lol: )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

using verac with seercull and black hide, seercull stops mages dead, and with verac you own melee and range. plus u your rpayer lasts alot longer with the massive prayer bonus from verac. can even protect melee the whole time for ultimate protection slash damge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there is no need to make amage spec just to reduce melee. range is fine, if you were actaully an good at range youd realise you dont need high pray and that if 94 mage is owning you in 40 defense 70 range well dnt be surprised because there have 94 magic, now if your 94 range and you also pot to 106 you have total control over that mage unless there multi like me and they whack on black hide and range you back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dnt whine about a triangle because there best way is to use 2 parts of it in conjuction with each other. if you start doing that you will be a much better pker.

[chickenman]

At the moment the Triangle is Highly weighted towards Melee/Mage both of them being about equal, and together they're a deadly Combo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rangers are MILES behind, Even with 2 rangers on 1 meleer you probably couldn't kill them...

 

 

 

True, the defence bonuses of even Rune are waaaaay too high. And mage has so many spells already, it doesn't need a spec.

[Mordendravid]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

btw bloodveld, its "definately" i know youve misspelled it a few times and i thought id be nice to help ya out a little

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

err, off topic, but it's actually "definitely"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on topic, rangers could do with a bit of an update to keep the balance due to low hits, and mages definitely do not need any more help :)

[n64jive]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

btw bloodveld, its "definately" i know youve misspelled it a few times and i thought id be nice to help ya out a little

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

err, off topic, but it's actually "definitely"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on topic, rangers could do with a bit of an update to keep the balance due to low hits, and mages definitely do not need any more help :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's definitely

[Unitedite]

Mage may have the best range of attacks, but also by far the worst armour :P