Animals - Do they have rights?

[indy500fan]

it is up to the owner of the animal what they decide to do with it. it does make them look, well insane i guess.

 

 

 

You piece of cabbage. So does that mean I can torcher my dog because I he's mine?

 

 

 

yes.

 

 

 

we evolved from apes, we are no longer apes. what sets us different? consiousness, reason, to name a few.

 

 

 

so apes are living, so they should have the same rights as us? tell that to the millions of billions of bacteria that are also living that you kill in the shower everyday.

[nvw08]

I have absolutely no problem with eating meat seeing as it is part of life, and a lot of the animals that we eat we're born and bred to be eaten so that we aren't wiping out an entire species to eat some steak.

 

 

 

But animal testing..

 

I don't think that's right, just because we're bigger and think we're smarter then the other animals dosen't mean that we should torture them to see if that new cologne gives you rashes. It's the same as a kid bullying another kid on the playground, there bigger and they want something (wether it be self-confidence of enough money for a peice of pizza) They feel the right to pick on another kid because he dosen't fit in or is smaller then everyone else.

[knives669]

No. I am not a vegetarian. I would never become one, because I like the taste of steak too much. :)

 

 

 

I believe to some extent, animals have rights. Animals owned by humans have rights, as they are considered property. I don't think that any animal, wild or domesticated, should be tortured. By "torture" I mean unecessary pain. People around here like to play target practice with their paintball guns on stray animals. I think that is wrong. I do, however understand that unecessary pain to animals does happen accidentally, and by the hands of humans (such as someone accidentally hitting an animal with their car).

 

 

 

I am not opposed to killing animals for the sake of hunting for food. Hunting for game, however is another matter as it is completely pointless and wasteful. I like how the nomadic people of long ago hunted and used every single part of their prey. They were respectful to nature and took only what they needed and were not wasteful.

 

 

 

I look at killing animals for food this way: A carniverous, and hungry animal will view us and other animals as a possible meal. We're just another part of the food chain to them. We all have the right to view them the same. I believe we are not superior to animals, as we are animals. We are just more intelligent and advanced in our methods of hunting than the others.

 

 

 

I do not believe in testing on animals. I see it as a form of torture.

[dru89]

Alright... here's my opinion:

 

 

 

We're superior to the animals. They were placed under us for food and other uses. Hunting for food and actual uses for the animal is completely fine and understandable... while on the other hand just blowing a squirrels head off with a 12 gauge is just plain cruel. The earliest humans used animals to survive and we need them to survive as well. If we all turned into vegetarians, there would be an overpopulation of the earth. If cows wanted to let us know they were angry for making them into burgers, then we'd have plenty of "Mad Cows" (yes I know that was a bad joke...lol but it still serves its point)... testing on animals, as cruel as it may seem is NOWHERE NEAR as cruel as letting someone die and having to say to their family... "I'm sorry we couldn't use the treatment because we weren't allowed to test it on the rats." And if we're gonna give rights to the animals...why not give them to the bugs too! Make it illegal to kill that cockroach that crawls along the floor of your school :-P. In fact... plants are living... so why don't we just all starve ourselves by not eating them too! ;-)

 

 

 

As you can see... I think by giving animals rights we basically forfeit our right to live, if you don't like eating meat... thats your choice... but I'm gonna stick to eating my McDonald's BicMac... the way it was supposed to be... with beef :-P.

 

 

 

[not trying to make anyone mad, it's just the opinion of one person,]

 

[Dru89]

 

 

 

P.S. I agree with indie on the bacteria thing too :)

[runesmithie]

DBP, everything you said is completely logical and I agree with it completely.

 

 

 

The only issue I side with the animals on is hunting for sport. That's just mean, unnecessary, and a reckless waste of life.

 

 

 

~Ian

 

 

 

I agree that hunting for sport is unnecessary. You might as well just go target shooting.

 

Other than that I see no problem with eating animals.

 

 

 

Although there is the thing about controlling animal populations ;)

 

 

 

Around my area, deer are a huge problem and you'll see them crossing the road a lot. If there were even more deer, then it would just get more dangerous to go driving... Lyme disease would also get pretty nasty >.<

[dusqi]

Hahaha Dru, I thought your post was in support of killing animals for food, until I read this and realised your sarcasm

 

 

 

 

I'm gonna stick to eating my McDonald's BicMac... the way it was supposed to be... with beef

 

 

 

 

Nice one ;) :D

[weezcake]

I am in the middle of this issue. I do believe that animals should not be tortured, uncared for, abandoned, etc. If you're going to have a pet, then take care of it and don't abuse it. It's sad what kinds of things people do to animals. I've watched some shows on Animal Planet and the stuff some people do to their pets is absolutely horrendous :(

 

 

 

Hunting. Hunting for sport has to be one of the dumbest "sports" in the world. It's an absolute power trip; alright, I killed this animal and I didn't even give it a chance! It is cruel and I don't see the point in doing it. Hunting for food is different, seeing that you are hunting and eating it (hence, continuing the cycle of life).

 

 

 

I am however, split on animal testing. I am a biotech major and probably going into the research field, meaning that yes, I WILL HAVE TO test products somewhere. If I adhere to int'l laws, then I cannot test new products on humans until I have conducted years of clinical tests on animals-- there's no other way I can test the safety of the product. I do wish there was another way, but unfortunately there is not (at least at the moment?). Medicines and such things that we have today could not have been put out into the market without years of clinical trials on animals.

 

 

 

I don't know. I'm split! :(

[Riku3220]

animals have just as many rights as humans, they are living creatures too though we eat animals we need those eating animals to survive. do you think its fair that deers or ducks have hunting seasons? what if animals had human seasons?

[Guest GhostRanger]

animals have just as many rights as humans, they are living creatures too though we eat animals we need those eating animals to survive. do you think its fair that deers or ducks have hunting seasons? what if animals had human seasons?

 

 

 

Aren't things like viruses and bacteria living creatures? Aren't plans living as well? Just curious...

[Lionheart_0]

Its nature, the meat eating im talking about. Humans are omnivors, and not eating meat is dipriving ones self of what they need (although people can live without meat). Af course animal testing and sport hunting is unnecessary and should be banned.

 

 

 

Although there are certain times when "testing" of an animal is unacceptable, such as for learning purposes, to learn about the animal. But for no other reasons.

 

 

 

Oh and by the way, the only animals on the planet more important then humans are dolphins and mice :wink:

[Riku3220]

mice? and dolphins? what are you talking about monkeys are the best anyways :D and like i said would you like it if animals had a human season they should to see how we like it. c ya guys im gunna offer myself as a sacrifice :shock: wait what!?!?

[Guest GhostRanger]

mice? and dolphins? what are you talking about monkeys are the best anyways :D and like i said would you like it if animals had a human season they should to see how we like it. c ya guys im gunna offer myself as a sacrifice :shock: wait what!?!?

 

 

 

I responded to your post, would you please answer my question instead of just ignoring it. Do you consider bacteria and viruses to be living things? (Hint: They don't evne have seasons, they try and kill us all the time)

[Lionheart_0]

mice? and dolphins? what are you talking about monkeys are the best anyways :D and like i said would you like it if animals had a human season they should to see how we like it. c ya guys im gunna offer myself as a sacrifice :shock: wait what!?!?

 

OMG, isnt it common knowledge that humans are only the third smartes creature on the planet? the second are dolphins, the first being mice.

 

 

 

Also t he answer to life the universe and everything is 42...

 

 

 

 

 

BTW humans are animals, so of course they have rights.

[Riku3220]

mice? and dolphins? what are you talking about monkeys are the best anyways :D and like i said would you like it if animals had a human season they should to see how we like it. c ya guys im gunna offer myself as a sacrifice :shock: wait what!?!?

 

 

 

I responded to your post, would you please answer my question instead of just ignoring it. Do you consider bacteria and viruses to be living things? (Hint: They don't evne have seasons, they try and kill us all the time)

 

 

 

ok ill reply to yours if it will make you happy sometimes you have to kill something to SURVIVE but when you do it for fun like we did to the buffalo its just plain wrong

[Guest GhostRanger]

mice? and dolphins? what are you talking about monkeys are the best anyways :D and like i said would you like it if animals had a human season they should to see how we like it. c ya guys im gunna offer myself as a sacrifice :shock: wait what!?!?

 

 

 

I responded to your post, would you please answer my question instead of just ignoring it. Do you consider bacteria and viruses to be living things? (Hint: They don't evne have seasons, they try and kill us all the time)

 

 

 

ok ill reply to yours if it will make you happy sometimes you have to kill something to SURVIVE but when you do it for fun like we did to the buffalo its just plain wrong

 

 

 

What's considered survival? Is wearing clothing survival? Is living in a house survival? Could you define survival for me please?

[Riku3220]

you can survive without clothes though a lot of people would die in the winter time :) our cells are bacterias and viruses shelter for them to survive and breed in your cells thats how they make us sick we kill cows for hamburgers for 2 reasons

 

 

 

1) the most important we eat it

 

2) the least important its good

[Make7upu101]

Little background-Gotten crap pretty much all of my life for being a vegetarian. Been one since I was about 4-5 maybe(17 now), that's the farthest I can remember. My dad's one, mother and sister couldent care less about the animals.

 

 

 

One thing I don't understand (maybe it's because I don't eat meat on a regular basis), I don't get this "it tastes good argument." These are living creatures. I understand it can be incredibly hard for people to give up meat, my dad even lapses from time to time (he, unlike myself was raised on it so I'm guessing it's harder).

 

 

 

Now this whole "Plants are living thing too!" crap. Plants cannot think (to my knowledge. I learn new things every time I check this board so...). Yes, they have nervous systems. Some things are inevitable. We need to participate in the food chain. In my opinion you really just have to go by how developed the species is (as in plant->insects->birds>mammals).

 

 

 

Yes other animals try to kill us and If I met a hungry bear in the woods it may try and kill me. The problem I see with this is that humans are intelligent. We have evolved to be so far above a bear. I see it as sort of a older sibling sort of thing. We should watch out for our younger brothers and sisters since they cannot defend for themselves. You're baby brother who pees on your homework doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t know any better does he?

 

 

 

Finally, animals testing. On this one I'm probably just where most people are. No for cosmetics, yes for human life. Almost always vegetarians and vegans would pick human lives over an animals life. Only in the most extreme cases would you find otherwise.

[Guest GhostRanger]

you can survive without clothes though a lot of people would die in the winter time :) our cells are bacterias and viruses shelter for them to survive and breed in your cells thats how they make us sick we kill cows for hamburgers for 2 reasons

 

 

 

1) the most important we eat it

 

2) the least important its good

 

 

 

So then if we can survive without clothes, we shouldn't kill cows for leather, birds for their feathers (decorative) and or any other animal that contributes to clothing.

 

 

 

We also shouldn't harm cotton plants (they are living) in order make cotton, should we?

 

 

 

If it's not for survival, we shouldn't kill it, right?

[Riku3220]

ok well we need meat for protein and i dont think we'll stop killing chickens and cow and start killing humans for our meat but it does taste good too but thats not why most people eat it i eat it for survival

 

 

 

why kill birds for feathers we can make leather by killing cows and make food for our survival at the same time cant we the indians used every part of a buffalo for tools and survival

[Guest GhostRanger]

ok well we need meat for protein and i dont think we'll stop killing chickens and cow and start killing humans for our meat but it does taste good too but thats not why most people eat it i eat it for survival

 

 

 

I'm takling about all of the living things that are killed for clothing. Is that acceptable?

[Riku3220]

yes we can do that too just as long as we use the rest at the same time for food would you just kill one cow for leather and one cow for food or kill 1 cow for food and leather

[runesmithie]

ok well we need meat for protein and i dont think we'll stop killing chickens and cow and start killing humans for our meat but it does taste good too but thats not why most people eat it i eat it for survival

 

 

 

why kill birds for feathers we can make leather by killing cows and make food for our survival at the same time cant we the indians used every part of a buffalo for tools and survival

 

 

 

Just some things I'd like to point out... AFAIK there are artificial sources for all the nutrients vegans miss by not eating meat and I guess its possible to simulate the texture of a nice medium rare steak :P *drool*

 

 

 

However, I would never consider becoming a vegan or vegetarian because it just seems so cost prohibitive to take a vitamin/fortified food all the time...

[Guest GhostRanger]

yes we can do that too just as long as we use the rest at the same time for food would you just kill one cow for leather and one cow for food or kill 1 cow for food and leather

 

 

 

Cows that are raised for food aren't used for leather and vice versa. Also, what about cotton plants? Used only for clothing we don't need...

[Riku3220]

cotton plants lets see SURVIVAL we use cotton for clothes which we need to survive though we could live without clohes would we risk the human race to the winter coldness?

[WutangFlu]

I dont think so.. look how much they abuse that aflac duck.. :| poor guy, how i with to eat thee..