The Death Penalty

[woopidoo2]

I dont know if this subject has been here before, but it is

 

and allways will be something to discuss about:

 

 

 

The Death Penalty: Yes or No?

 

 

 

(Maybe we can convince eachother wich arguments why we say

 

yes or no? :wink: )

[Giordano]

Yes. It's not fair for a person to die a horribly way and the murderer just eats and drinks and lives. They should make the death more 'painful' and not a simple shot with a needle :roll:

[woopidoo2]

Yes. It's not fair for a person to die a horribly way and the murderer just eats and drinks and lives. They should make the death more 'painful' and not a simple shot with a needle :roll:

 

 

 

Yes, I forgot my oppinion, but you told what I wanted to say. :) I agree

[nvw08]

No. because they don't die painfully, they just get injected then fall asleep. They deserve to rot in a jail cell for 50 years to think about what they've done.

[Barihawk]

No. because they don't die painfully, they just get injected then fall asleep. They deserve to rot in a jail cell for 50 years to think about what they've done.

 

 

 

Given the state of today's prison system, one is not likely to rot with A/C and Cable television. Maybe 50 years ago, but not today.

 

 

 

I support it. If you kill a productive member of society, you don't deserve to ever return to it.

[Anesthesia]

No. because they don't die painfully, they just get injected then fall asleep. They deserve to rot in a jail cell for 50 years to think about what they've done.

 

 

 

So waiting several years on death row, unsure of when you're going to die and having no control over your own future is a walk in the park? You know that would count as cruel and unusual punishment in most places, it is a form of torture to give people such uncertainty over their fate.

 

 

 

However, that's not the reason I object to it. I object to how it works now because of the chance for error. I think that the death penalty should only be administered when there is DNA evidence against the defendant and no question over his guilt whatsoever. Only in a situation where it can be guaranteed that a mistake has not been made, and such a situation may never exist.

[nvw08]

No. because they don't die painfully, they just get injected then fall asleep. They deserve to rot in a jail cell for 50 years to think about what they've done.

 

 

 

Given the state of today's prison system, one is not likely to rot with A/C and Cable television. Maybe 50 years ago, but not today.

 

 

 

I support it. If you kill a productive member of society, you don't deserve to ever return to it.

 

 

 

 

 

You have a valid point; but prision is still not fun it's dirty and the food idin't world class. If you can kill someone that a few years later be able to die and not have to suffer the concequences then that's not all that bad, and i don't call jail being in society :wink:

[deathhead154]

Think about it. A lethal injection costs in total about 1million dollars. Rotting in jail for 50-60 years costs a wee bit much more than that.

 

 

 

I say yay!

[Yoshi161]

I'm against it, just keep them in prision the rest of their life. It's a waste of the tax payers money to do that "Lethal Ejection". Just feed them bread and water like they use to do along time ago maybe every so often give them a little bit of horse meat from mcdonalds.

[Anesthesia]

For reference, in the UK it costs approx ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã500/week to keep someone in prison.

[Striker6]

No. because they don't die painfully, they just get injected then fall asleep. They deserve to rot in a jail cell for 50 years to think about what they've done.

 

 

 

Given the state of today's prison system, one is not likely to rot with A/C and Cable television. Maybe 50 years ago, but not today.

 

 

 

I support it. If you kill a productive member of society, you don't deserve to ever return to it.

 

 

 

Who's promoting this image that today's prisons are nice places? *thinks* The Simpsons??

[knives669]

I'm all for it. It seems like a very fitting punishment to me. But, I agree with Anesthesia. It should only be carried out when there is undeniable proof of the the person's guilt.

[Giordano]

I'm against it, just keep them in prision the rest of their life. It's a waste of the tax payers money to do that "Lethal Ejection". Just feed them bread and water like they use to do along time ago maybe every so often give them a little bit of horse meat from mcdonalds.

 

Who ever said use the needle? I was thinking of a club...

[dusqi]

http://www.reprieve.org.uk/resources_ar ... july05.htm

 

 

 

Article about a paedophile, Ricky Langley - from the perspective that no one is inherently "evil", written by his lawyer Clive Stafford Smith

 

 

 

 

When dealing with a matter such as the death penalty, it is important not to view the issue as a legal or criminal justice issue, but always remember that we are dealing with human beings. The death penalty exists because the world remains ignorant of the true story, or the real people, behind each case.

 

[hohto]

Have you thought how many raw murders there could be more if it came to your country? Of course that works other way too, how many murders less if it was removed from your country? If I had done anything that would most likely give me a death sentence, I'd get rid of every witness, no matter what. The situation is pretty much kill or be killed; if you don't get rid of those who saw you, it's your life which is going to be taken.

 

 

 

If you asked me, death penalty would only be used on mass murderers and major drug parons. I'd just give longer jail trips, probably even whole life long trips without the possibility to get out.

[Necromagus]

These days the death penalty hardly functions as a deterrent anymore, and the irreversability of it means that there is a chance that we end up killing an innocent human being.

[Guest AshKaYu]

I heard about some prisons where they force the prisoners to work all day, return to their cells in the night. They do the worst jobs, that no one wants to do, and they don't get paid, they just do work, get some gruel and work. They contribute to society, but don't get anything other then food and a floor to sleep on.

[Giordano]

If you're in jail in the USA, you can get a diploma for FREE. That's B.S right there.

[Necromagus]

If you're in jail in the USA, you can get a diploma for FREE. That's B.S right there.

Yeah, because god forbid that they might aquire some skills that could prevent them from falling back into a life of crime... :roll:

 

 

 

Imagine someone growing up in a very poor neighbourhood, who ends up turning to crime because it's his only realistic option to make money. He gets busted with his hand in the registry and gets shipped off for two or three years. If he comes out of those years with a marketable skill, he can find himself a proper job and he doesn't need to steal anymore. If he comes out with three years of his life lost but nothing else, he really doesn't have anything stopping him from going right back to stealing.

 

 

 

Part of the idea of a correctional facility is correcting the criminal in such a way that he can become a productive member of society once he has served his time. Helping them get their diplomas is just another way of doing this. If they just wanted to help the criminal, they could just give him the money. However, this way it also helps society as a whole, those diplomas aren't just given out for fun.

[pianofrieak2]

There are many reasons why I support the death penalty. However, there are many ways we can fix the whole system.

 

 

 

For one thing, like Anethesia said, we need to make sure they are completely guilty. Of course, Anesthesia missed the main reason murderers don't face the death penalty:

 

 

 

They claim that they're not in their sane mind.

 

 

 

To me, that's a bunch of bull. If they were drunk or on drugs or whatever to keep them out of their mind, that's their fault. If they begin to use the whole "devil made me do it," then, as a Christian, I believe it is possible but there are many reasons to cause them to go down that path and still deserve the death penalty.

 

 

 

I favor the shot because I dont' think we need to hammer the point home by using the electric chair. Dead=dead to me. And it's very inhumane to use anything else when killing by a shot is so easy.

 

 

 

But, let's get rid of the money involved. Don't have so many people to make sure the process is painless. A shot is a shot, please! Then, the governor being able to use his power to get them out of murder row is plain ridiculous. Guilty=Guilty. No chance of escaping it.

 

 

 

As compared to rotting in prison, I think that that idea is based on ignorance. No offense to anyone who advocated it, but you use so much tax dollars in doing it that it's ridiculous. What people have in jail is ridiculous to me...newspapers, tv, weight room. My gosh, if they want to get strong, have them do push-ups. Give them cruddy food. Prison should be feared not annoying.

 

 

 

Make prison a living hell. That's what I say. But, while they're in there, make them do something productive. Make them work hard and be proud of their work. When people work for nothing, there is no impetus and it makes them very upset. Who would want to do something for no reason? No one would and it's useless. Make them do something productive.

 

 

 

When they're doing something productive, give the money to their family and a small portion to them for when they get out. This will help them to work hard and be proud of their work.

 

 

 

When people are on death row, kill them quickly. Don't have them wait a long time to die, for it wastes tax dollars and gives them hope which doesn't exist. It's totally worthless.

[Aznhuskarl]

I do admit other people points of view about the main use of Death Penalty.

 

 

 

 

 

I admit that you have to punish with the appropriate way if that person commit unacceptable crimes and he/she is still guilty for it {murder, genocide, homicide, will mostly lead to Death penalty. Other kind of crime will need to be pnuished differently depending the case.}

 

That leads to the debate of accusing and tricking innoncent people in the wrong hands. It does lead those civilian to die unjustitly since the law have decided the person's penatly.

 

That same debates also talk about the safety of the public: what happen if you let loose of a real criminal? Our safety will not be insured since we let loose those kind of people.

 

There are also debates about the jailed people's mind. If they make up their mind, not to commit crimes again Ppaying back to the society.} It might eb a good thing not to simply apply the death penalty {since it's already expensive just to perform an execution instead of keeping someone in jail.}

 

 

 

There are several aspects about the Death Penalty that breaks apart its real use. In my opinion, I will only use in extreme cases after I run out of options. The Death Penalty will be used at the very end after I checked everything about the case.

[Lionheart_0]

No, its a waste of a life and a productive member of society to kill them (and plus i belive everyone has the right to live). I think amore fitting punishment should be to make them do alot fo physical labour the rest of their lives, that way they remain productive.

[Yoshi161]

No, its a waste of a life and a productive member of society to kill them (and plus i belive everyone has the right to live). I think amore fitting punishment should be to make them do alot fo physical labour the rest of their lives, that way they remain productive.

 

 

 

Productive citizen, eh? lol

 

 

 

I agree about the physical labor. In my state they make the prisioners pick up trash off the side of the road, but thats like the ones in there for: robbery,

 

rape, car theft, arson, and other rare things.

 

 

 

They don't let the ones that killed people do that kind of work. I'm still for just giving them bread and water the rest of their life...

[Barihawk]

No, its a waste of a life and a productive member of society to kill them (and plus i belive everyone has the right to live). I think amore fitting punishment should be to make them do alot fo physical labour the rest of their lives, that way they remain productive.

 

 

 

You say that they are a productive member of society. What about the productive members of society that they murdered and raped. What about the lives of the productive members of society that were personally affected by the crime?

 

 

 

I think it's totally warranted, as long as there is irrefutable evidence to thier guilt. On top of that, take away the plushness of prisons and make it a real correctional facility. Make it enough hell that the jailed looks forward to work and correction.

[mixand]

put their head under a tap and make it drop every 10 seconds in dark room... :twisted: after a few hours everytime it touches ur head it feels like a sledgehammer hitting u but it dosnt kill you!