This is Scary

[indy500fan]

God promised the land to one of the prophets. May have been Abrahim. That's why they believe it their land. Educate yourself on the subject before posting.

 

 

 

thats not the point hes making. the point is the only basis for the statement is a book 2000 years old that may or may not be fiction.

[darkmage099]

 

okay katha go get the papers from god with its signature and prove to me god gave them the land. oh wait you cant prove it! how do you know god gave it to them are you some kind of prophet. im sorry if you are but i highly doubt it

 

 

 

God promised the land to one of the prophets. May have been Abrahim. That's why they believe it their land. Educate yourself on the subject before posting.

 

 

 

yes well ibrahim (what muslims call him) also had a son named ismael so technically isaac and Ismael should *share the land* but the israelies left the land so that makes it the muslim people's land

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no one has jurisdiction over the world

 

 

 

 

 

(yes you may say god does but thats if you believe in it)

[Goldwolflord]

If God was supposed to make everything so perfect then why was he created himself? He is the root of a lot of evil in this world and this is a great example of this... They're fighting because of their religions, not which country they come from...

 

(And countries are probably distantly related to choice of religion too.)

 

 

 

Sorry if I offended anyone by this post, or if anyone thinks this was stupid/immature (I'm only 13) then I'm sorry too.

 

These are just my views.

[darkmage099]

humanity is stupid...

[MyPurpleCrayon]

This reminds me of the Davidstars Jews had to wear during WWII because of the German oppression.

 

I hope war will stay out or a nuclear war might follow.

 

 

 

O rly?

 

No wai!!1

[darkmage099]

just because it reminds you of it does not mean that it will happen

[Faux]

 

no one has jurisdiction over the world

 

 

Thanks for throwing out every argument you had.

 

 

 

With that logic, who are the arabs to say that Jews don't belong there?

[darkmage099]

 

With that logic, who are the arabs to say that Jews don't belong there?

 

 

 

 

 

they were there first thats the logic it was their land first...(yes it was isreal b4 it was palestine but the isreal people left)

[apinagez]

 

With that logic, who are the arabs to say that Jews don't belong there?

 

 

 

 

 

they were there first thats the logic it was their land first...(yes it was isreal b4 it was palestine but the isreal people left)

 

 

 

no one has jurisdiction over the world

 

 

 

Meh...

[katha610]

God promised the land to one of the prophets. May have been Abrahim. That's why they believe it their land. Educate yourself on the subject before posting.

 

 

 

thats not the point hes making. the point is the only basis for the statement is a book 2000 years old that may or may not be fiction.

 

 

 

a book their belief is based on. and it is written in that book that their god gave them the land.

 

don't forget that this is about religion. i read both, the bible and the koran. it is interesting to compare both and it helps you understand.

 

it is islam vs christianity.

 

 

 

let me throw a word in there : holy war

 

 

 

 

 

 

no one has jurisdiction over the world

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for throwing out every argument you had.

 

 

 

With that logic, who are the arabs to say that Jews don't belong there?

 

 

 

thanks shadow, that's exactly what i would have said

 

 

 

they were there first thats the logic it was their land first...(yes it was isreal b4 it was palestine but the isreal people left)

 

aha, they were there first.... so why exactly are there reservations for native americans in america? i mean...... they were there first so it is their land.... :roll:

[weezcake]

Reminds me of Nazi Germany and the Jude badges..

[slicer92]

Hohto what you stated Sharon did in 1950's you must remember happened over 50 years ago.Tims have changed.I think the UN should watch this very closely over the next few weeks and months and immediately begin posting sanctions towards them.

[BlueTear]

 

a book their belief is based on. and it is written in that book that their god gave them the land.

 

That's all well and fine, but strictly speaking, the formation of the modern state of Israel was not the result of God; It was the result of the Balfour-declaration and it's ratificiation. Politics gave them that land, not God.

 

 

 

And there were some strings attached to that aswell, specifically, regarding the respect for the civili and religious rights of those who happened to live there. You know, the guys you can't work within the borders of Israel to support their family who also happends to be living there.

 

don't forget that this is about religion. i read both, the bible and the koran. it is interesting to compare both and it helps you understand.

 

it is islam vs christianity.

 

 

 

That explains why they're so upset about Israel. After all, everyone knows it's a christian st... Oh wait. Actually, you lost me there. How did christianity come into this? Iran? No, the religiously practicing jews and zoroastrism-ers (... I don't knowwhat they call themselves...) are being equally persecuted and they're all such a small part of the population. Where did christianity come into this?

 

 

let me throw a word in there : holy war

 

 

 

 

Suicide bombers are the products of 'poverty', 'despair', 'lack of eduction' or possibly 'unstable minds', not religion.

[darkmage099]

God promised the land to one of the prophets. May have been Abrahim. That's why they believe it their land. Educate yourself on the subject before posting.

 

 

 

thats not the point hes making. the point is the only basis for the statement is a book 2000 years old that may or may not be fiction.

 

 

 

a book their belief is based on. and it is written in that book that their god gave them the land.

 

don't forget that this is about religion. i read both, the bible and the koran. it is interesting to compare both and it helps you understand.

 

it is islam vs christianity.

 

 

 

let me throw a word in there : holy war

 

 

 

 

 

 

no one has jurisdiction over the world

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for throwing out every argument you had.

 

 

 

With that logic, who are the arabs to say that Jews don't belong there?

 

 

 

thanks shadow, that's exactly what i would have said

 

 

 

they were there first thats the logic it was their land first...(yes it was isreal b4 it was palestine but the isreal people left)

 

aha, they were there first.... so why exactly are there reservations for native americans in america? i mean...... they were there first so it is their land.... :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

alright first of all god did not legally give them the land okay. It only did if you are a believer of that faith which the whole world is not so technically god did not legally give them the land. If he did can you please show me the papers? And actually it is the native american's land. Did I say it wasnt? Apparantly, there has been agreement with the Natives and Americans. Also that happened centuries ago so...(times have changed). bolded part: yeah a book their belief is based on. So let me ask you. If i "beleive" that my faith gave me the right to bomb the world does taht make it okay because my faith is somehow "Gave" me the right? NO! Whered Christianity come from?!?!?! holy war? yes we had the crusades already lets try to keep this civilized. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHER RACES/GOVERMENTS WHAT TO DO! thats waht imeant when i said no one has jurisdiction over the world. Because you cant tell Irans government to "stop" waht theyre doing and they will. You cant tell the Israel gov't to get out of the Middle East. No one has the power to do that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i g2g to my hockey game now illpost later

[hohto]

Hohto what you stated Sharon did in 1950's you must remember happened over 50 years ago.Tims have changed.I think the UN should watch this very closely over the next few weeks and months and immediately begin posting sanctions towards them.

 

 

 

So you accept it if a leader has been a slaughterer in the past? People like Sharon should sit at Haag, not lead a nuclear weapon country. Hopefully new "sharons" won't come out anytime soon. Israel has also broken many human rights within last few years or even breaking them at the moment.

 

 

 

In this case, all sides (USA, Iran, Israel) have done wrong things. We can't blame just Iran for this chaos at that part of the world and we for sure can't talk about holy war. This mess is caused by politics, not religions. You don't break human rights, take lands from someone else or build nuclear weapons because of religion.

[darkmage099]

 

So you accept it if a leader has been a slaughterer in the past? People like Sharon should sit at Haag, not lead a nuclear weapon country. Hopefully new "sharons" won't come out anytime soon. Israel has also broken many human rights within last few years or even breaking them at the moment.

 

 

 

In this case, all sides (USA, Iran, Israel) have done wrong things. We can't blame just Iran for this chaos at that part of the world and we for sure can't talk about holy war. This mess is caused by politics, not religions. You don't break human rights, take lands from someone else or build nuclear weapons because of religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

exactly

[katha610]

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHER RACES/GOVERMENTS WHAT TO DO!

 

 

 

so what exactly is the iranian government doing?

 

 

 

 

 

has anyone here actually read the koran?

[darkmage099]

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHER RACES/GOVERMENTS WHAT TO DO!

 

 

 

so what exactly is the iranian government doing?

 

 

 

 

 

has anyone here actually read the koran?

 

 

 

ive been taught about the concepts of the koran, yes. Iran is trying to bring what they call "justice" to the middle east

[trapical]

you actually prove my point you said "some of the land there is not being used"

 

well then why dont Israelis move there?

 

 

 

do you wanna live in the desert? there's no reason for them to leave their land (promised to them by god). they have the right to stay where they are.

 

how would you react in a situation like this

 

 

 

Let me put in in perspective for you on the Muslim's side. For over two thousand years your family has lived on a certain piece of land. There have been wars in the past that your ancestors died in protecting this piece of land. Then one day some foreigner comes along...

 

Them: "Hey infidel! Get off my property! My god gave me this land!"

 

You: I have lived here all my life. My ancestors have lived here the past two millennia, or the past seventy generations.

 

Them: "Well, uh my relatives lived here way before hand. Oh and several thousand miles away a good number of us were killed by this guy. He's dead now but now we want this land as well for payment of our dead relatives."

 

You: I wasn't involved in that war.

 

Them: Too bad. Leave your houses now before we have our big brother come over here and beat you up (US troops arrive...)

 

 

 

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As my history teacher explained, the war in Iraq wasn't about oil or profit for Bush. Christ the war is expected to cost over a trillion dollars. Can you imagine that? You could give one million people one million dollars and it would cheaper. *whistle* So uh, how is this profiting Bush? Then you have Israel, a country that shouldn't even exist that the US defends due to the thousands of Jewish politicians and actors that sway public opinion. It was said that the Jewish rule the world by proxy, influencing great nations to do their dirty work for them. Ask a Jihad terrorist why he hates America, a country that donates more then any other country, a country who's doctors and the CDC save hundreds of millions of lives preventing Ebola outbreaks and improving healthcare, and a country that gives food and supplies to impoverished Muslim countries. Jihadists will immediately say "America defends Israel. Countless brethren of mine have died due to American missiles, tanks, and F-16s with the Israel flag on them." Who knows, if it wasn't for Israel maybe 9-11 would not have happened. Many specialists also assumed that the US attacked Iraq because Saddam had missiles that could attack Israel and Rumsfeld is Jewish.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

alright first of all god did not legally give them the land okay. It only did if you are a believer of that faith which the whole world is not so technically god did not legally give them the land. If he did can you please show me the papers? And actually it is the native american's land. Did I say it wasnt? Apparantly, there has been agreement with the Natives and Americans. Also that happened centuries ago so...(times have changed). bolded part: yeah a book their belief is based on. So let me ask you. If i "beleive" that my faith gave me the right to bomb the world does taht make it okay because my faith is somehow "Gave" me the right? NO! Whered Christianity come from?!?!?! holy war? yes we had the crusades already lets try to keep this civilized. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHER RACES/GOVERMENTS WHAT TO DO! thats waht imeant when i said no one has jurisdiction over the world. Because you cant tell Irans government to "stop" waht theyre doing and they will. You cant tell the Israel gov't to get out of the Middle East. No one has the power to do that.

 

 

 

Huh? W t f?

 

 

 

i g2g to my hockey game now illpost later

 

 

 

Oh, you're a hockey player, that explains a lot.

[darkmage099]

alright first of all god did not legally give them the land okay. It only did if you are a believer of that faith which the whole world is not so technically god did not legally give them the land. If he did can you please show me the papers? And actually it is the native american's land. Did I say it wasnt? Apparantly, there has been agreement with the Natives and Americans. Also that happened centuries ago so...(times have changed). bolded part: yeah a book their belief is based on. So let me ask you. If i "beleive" that my faith gave me the right to bomb the world does taht make it okay because my faith is somehow "Gave" me the right? NO! Whered Christianity come from?!?!?! holy war? yes we had the crusades already lets try to keep this civilized. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHER RACES/GOVERMENTS WHAT TO DO! thats waht imeant when i said no one has jurisdiction over the world. Because you cant tell Irans government to "stop" waht theyre doing and they will. You cant tell the Israel gov't to get out of the Middle East. No one has the power to do that.

 

 

 

Huh? W t f?

 

 

 

i g2g to my hockey game now illpost later

 

 

 

Oh, you're a hockey player, that explains a lot.

 

 

 

 

 

if you dont get it just let it go....and yes i am a hockey player. I hope its not illegal....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

off-topic:igot kicked out of my game today/ suspended (stupid thing) :lol: not on purpose of cource we lost 5-1

[Loge_05]

darkmage099, you have completley overturned this topic into something that's not the discussion. I'm struggling to actually find the point you're trying to make.

 

First, you justified what's happening on both sides. Regardless of what you meant, that's what it came across as.

 

Then, you criticised the Jews' Religion by claiming, "God did not sign a legal document", which is the most awful thing I have ever heard someone say.

 

Now, you're talking about Hockey.

 

 

 

The topic was to do with the Iranian government forcing non-Muslims to wear some form of notification. We drifted onto the Middle-East topic and now everyone's discussing that. Please return to the actual topic.

[Mercifull]

I'd quite happy wear a tshirt with a massive logo right now that shows im not a religious fanatic obsessed with hatred for "non-belivers".

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I do belive this is wrong. If they are truely worried about "islamaphobia" then this is totally the wrong way to go about it. I find this kind of religious law making sickening.

[darkmage099]

darkmage099, you have completley overturned this topic into something that's not the discussion. I'm struggling to actually find the point you're trying to make.

 

First, you justified what's happening on both sides. Regardless of what you meant, that's what it came across as.

 

Then, you criticised the Jews' Religion by claiming, "God did not sign a legal document", which is the most awful thing I have ever heard someone say.

 

Now, you're talking about Hockey.

 

 

The topic was to do with the Iranian government forcing non-Muslims to wear some form of notification. We drifted onto the Middle-East topic and now everyone's discussing that. Please return to the actual topic.

 

 

 

 

 

off-topic:igot kicked out of my game today/ suspended (stupid thing) Laughing not on purpose of cource we lost 5-1

(quoting myself) yeah someone made a comment about me playing hockey....thats why i said that notice the off topic sign alright we drifted :roll: who cares its still a convorsation

[Bubsa]

I'd quite happy wear a tshirt with a massive logo right now that shows im not a religious fanatic obsessed with hatred for "non-belivers".

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I do belive this is wrong. If they are truely worried about "islamaphobia" then this is totally the wrong way to go about it. I find this kind of religious law making sickening.

 

 

 

Whack! Hit it on the head.

 

Anyone ever see that Penn & Teller episode on The Bible? It went out to discredit all the stories of it, but said right at the beginning: "Now, if you believe in the Bible/Christianity, that's a given. That's something no-one can argue against. You have the right to believe anything, and you need not fear what's about to happen in this show"...or something along those lines. There's no way a person, let alone an entire government, should make this kind of discrimination to someone's beliefs.