and by the blood of the lamb.

 

 

 

What if you're a vegetarian?

Therefore an "unethical" action would be missing the mark (the target being an ethical action), and thus, a sin.

 

 

 

Not necessarily true - if the person deliberately did something unethical then an ethical action would not have been his target.

 

 

 

I guess our views on subjectivism vs. objectivism would make us have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

 

 

 

 

But its ok to say that denying the existence of God is the biggest sin? Double standards

 

 

 

It wasn't what you said, it was how you said it.

 

 

 

 

 

Not quite. As far as I am concerned a sin is the breaking a rule of god - deliberate or not. I have never seen or heard someone use 'sin' in a manner other than refering to religion.

 

 

 

Oh I agree, I was explaining the origin of the word - which I believe, is from archery.

Lust.

 

 

 

Depending on your definition of greatest, I guess. :D

I don't believe in God, but I find it really annoying when others who don't sit and preach about how God is false. I just seems so... Arrogant. Yes, there's people who believe and go on about how we all should, but honestly, just ignore them. The arguements that result from this are never ever constructive.

 

 

 

Wise words.

 

 

 

Believe what you believe... like I said, I consider trying to be honest with yourself the most important thing. So whatever you identify with (beliefs, opinions, life plans, gender, religion, sexuality, etc.) you should just accept and go with, and not worry to death about whether it's the "right" identity. If you believe in God, awesome. If you were born a biological male but believe you're really female, awesome. If you think eating doughnuts is wrong and immoral, awesome... just don't impose your self-identity onto other people.

 

 

 

(Especially the doughnut thing, onto me. I really like doughnuts :D)

suicide

 

 

 

But wouldnt murder be worse? Sinning yourself or sinning others? I would think sinning others would be worse because...its not your life.

 

 

 

 

 

murder

 

 

 

muder = disrepecting them as a person, and hate for them..

 

 

 

 

 

suicude = disrepescting yourself, and what god gave you...

 

 

 

need i explain more?

suicide

 

 

 

But wouldnt murder be worse? Sinning yourself or sinning others? I would think sinning others would be worse because...its not your life.

 

 

 

 

 

murder

 

 

 

muder = disrepecting them as a person, and hate for them..

 

 

 

 

 

suicude = disrepescting yourself, and what god gave you...

 

 

 

need i explain more?

 

 

 

Surely murder is also disrespecting God's creation, another life. Disrespecting any human life (which, from your opinion, God gave) is surely just as immoral, unless you get into the whole "which person is worth more than another? :D" game.

 

 

 

I believe that if someone finds their life so bad that it's not worth living... no one ought to force them to keep living. If they're only suffering, let them put themselves out of their misery. They're not hurting anyone else - only helping (or what they think is helping) themselves. And no one ought to force them not to commit suicide, if it's what they really want. Try to convince them, that's good... but not force, as it should be their choice, as each person should at least have control (or the semblance of control) over their own life.

 

 

 

From a Christian perspective, I guess I would explain it by pitying and loving the man who is beneath you.

suicide

 

 

 

I've seen this said a number of times and I suppose that is because of your faith. But in some cultures suicide is thought of as a way to prevent bringing shame or dishonour apon your family, not just a way out of this life. I'm not looking to make an arguement out of this, just stating a fact..

 

 

 

 

 

As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as a sin.. I just live life how I feel is it's best fit to be lived. The only rules I live by are the laws set by the government and I don't always follow those.. In my eyes, life is too short to be wasted following a set of rules set by someone who hasn't been alive for thousands of years..

If they're only suffering, let them put themselves out of their misery. They're not hurting anyone else.

 

That's debatable. If a mom just gave birth to a child and was so upset about how her life would be changed to commit suicide, she'd be hurting the baby. Not emotionally, but the baby wouldn't have as good a life. In other situations suicide hurts plenty of people emotionally though. I mean if I were to commit suicide I'd practically ruin the lives of my parents and my close friends and family would be completely devasted, so I think as irresponsible commiting suicide is to your own life, it messes with tons of other lives too.

Just like Str0wez said all sins are equal in God's eyes. Telling a lie is just as bad as killing somebody in His eyes.

 

 

 

In my eyes, i think Murder would be one of the worst. It's just so wrong, how can you take someone's life, who do you think you are. Who knows what the person that got killed never got to experience.

If they're only suffering, let them put themselves out of their misery. They're not hurting anyone else.

 

That's debatable. If a mom just gave birth to a child and was so upset about how her life would be changed to commit suicide, she'd be hurting the baby. Not emotionally, but the baby wouldn't have as good a life. In other situations suicide hurts plenty of people emotionally though. I mean if I were to commit suicide I'd practically ruin the lives of my parents and my close friends and family would be completely devasted, so I think as irresponsible commiting suicide is to your own life, it messes with tons of other lives too.

 

 

 

That's a decent point, and I retract that specific argument. Ultimately, however, I still believe that a person should have control over his own life at the very least - and that other friends and family and enemies should accept it as his decision, though they may be internally devastated by it. I think it's someone's right to commit suicide, as it is his right to live.

umm

 

 

 

number 1 shirk ( worshipping mroe than 1 god )

 

 

 

 

 

usery is also a big one

If they're only suffering, let them put themselves out of their misery. They're not hurting anyone else.

 

That's debatable. If a mom just gave birth to a child and was so upset about how her life would be changed to commit suicide, she'd be hurting the baby. Not emotionally, but the baby wouldn't have as good a life. In other situations suicide hurts plenty of people emotionally though. I mean if I were to commit suicide I'd practically ruin the lives of my parents and my close friends and family would be completely devasted, so I think as irresponsible commiting suicide is to your own life, it messes with tons of other lives too.

 

 

 

That's a decent point, and I retract that specific argument. Ultimately, however, I still believe that a person should have control over his own life at the very least - and that other friends and family and enemies should accept it as his decision, though they may be internally devastated by it. I think it's someone's right to commit suicide, as it is his right to live.

 

 

 

Where do these rights come from? :P

If they're only suffering, let them put themselves out of their misery. They're not hurting anyone else.

 

That's debatable. If a mom just gave birth to a child and was so upset about how her life would be changed to commit suicide, she'd be hurting the baby. Not emotionally, but the baby wouldn't have as good a life. In other situations suicide hurts plenty of people emotionally though. I mean if I were to commit suicide I'd practically ruin the lives of my parents and my close friends and family would be completely devasted, so I think as irresponsible commiting suicide is to your own life, it messes with tons of other lives too.

 

 

 

That's a decent point, and I retract that specific argument. Ultimately, however, I still believe that a person should have control over his own life at the very least - and that other friends and family and enemies should accept it as his decision, though they may be internally devastated by it. I think it's someone's right to commit suicide, as it is his right to live.

 

 

 

Where do these rights come from? :P

 

 

 

Heh - guess it's just a belief I identify with :P :D

suicide

 

 

 

agreed

 

 

 

its the greatest of all sins, because god didn't create you to take your own life. but i gotta get back to my lucky charms they're getting soggy lol =P~

/ stuff /

Not quite. As far as I am concerned a sin is the breaking a rule of god - deliberate or not. I have never seen or heard someone use 'sin' in a manner other than refering to religion.

 

 

 

*cough*Final Fantasy X*cough*

First thing I thought of was date rape. Like when those college kids put a drug in a girl's drink to put her to sleep and then...

 

 

 

Don't know why, but it seems even worse than murder to me.

 

 

 

And personally, I've never understood why people think suicide is such a big sin. Judging someone else poorly for being so upset they gave up hope seems like the most self-righteous and callous view imaginable. I don't mean to point fingers at any individual specifically, but who the heck are you to judge?

grown ups? is a grown up 25+? or just 18+? and i know what im talking about....beleive me. i know

Look, this isn't about age, it's about maturity. You could have said something about adultery, and why you think it's the worst sin. That way you'd have contributed to the debate in a mature manner. In stead, you chose to leave a message that contributed nothing to the topic and only seemed to surve the purpose of you telling to the world that you have had sex with your girlfriend's mother and/or sister. Combined with your zero-effort spelling (honestly people, is 'you' that much harder to type than 'u'? Has capitalization become so demanding an effort that it should just be skipped?), this gives people the impression that you have the maturity of someone who is roughly fourteen years old.

Suicide, plain and simple.

YA MUM!

 

 

 

sorry you totally had that one coming. i'd say the fact that paris hilton is alive, or her little dog/rat/bug thing she owns...seriously, if i were king, id make NOT killing paris hilton a sin.

 

And personally, I've never understood why people think suicide is such a big sin. Judging someone else poorly for being so upset they gave up hope seems like the most self-righteous and callous view imaginable. I don't mean to point fingers at any individual specifically, but who the heck are you to judge?

 

 

 

Ah, but now you're judging others. You're saying that those people are calloused (which I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you...just pointing it out). So by proclaiming no judgement, you are judging others who do.

 

 

 

Hmm...

Taking away someones passage to gods kingdom. Meaning drawing them away from god. If the bible is true (And I do believe it is) it says nothing on this earth can be worse than hell. Id rather be tortured than go to hell.

 

 

 

That in my view, is the ultimate sin.

*cough*Final Fantasy X*cough*

 

Ok - going to fill me in on what you're talking about?

 

Not everyone likes Final Fantasy you know :uhh:

YA MUM!

 

 

 

sorry you totally had that one coming. i'd say the fact that paris hilton is alive, or her little dog/rat/bug thing she owns...seriously, if i were king, id make NOT killing paris hilton a sin.

 

 

 

You certainly do sound like a man of religion and morals... :?

 

And personally, I've never understood why people think suicide is such a big sin. Judging someone else poorly for being so upset they gave up hope seems like the most self-righteous and callous view imaginable. I don't mean to point fingers at any individual specifically, but who the heck are you to judge?

 

 

 

Ah, but now you're judging others. You're saying that those people are calloused (which I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you...just pointing it out). So by proclaiming no judgement, you are judging others who do.

 

 

 

Hmm...

 

 

 

Completely correct, but not necessarily relevent. My point was this: someone who commits suicide is clearly having some pretty terrible problems. They are so miserable that they would rather throw away everything than try and go on. Given how upset and unfortunate they are, I find it disrespectful and callous to judge them poorly. They're a person in trouble, driven to desperate extremes. Can't we feel sympathy for them after they have lost all self-respect and dignity? Instead of insulting them further, I mean.

 

 

 

I guess my issue is not that you (by you I mean anyone who has answered "suicide" on this thread so far) are judging someone who commits suicide. I judge people all the time (as pianofrieak pointed out). My issue is that you are deliberately refusing to be sympathetic towards a fellow human being in a time of their greatest distress.

 

 

 

For that, I judge you. I don't think that's hypocritical. :-k

The worst sin one can possibly commit is breaking the lost 11th commandment.

 

 

 

"Thous shalt not use a fork when a spoon would be more appropriate."