Post intelligent opinions on "emo" and "goth

[Notorious_Ice]

Im doing an assignment on negative effects music can have on people and i need opinions for sources. Post your thaughts here. If your actually emo, then even better.

 

 

 

Also, people who listen to bands like atreyu, hawthorne heights, the used etc and don't dress in the clothes/have dark or suicidal thaughts etc. your opinions are wanted here to.

 

 

 

no flaming anybodies opinion, im looking for an intelligent discussion here.

[mad4u689]

From what I can tell, the terms "emo" and "goth" are being used as talking about members of a subculture - a subculture that often has little relation to the "emo" or "gothic" music.

 

 

 

I know plenty of people who love Gothic Metal (i.e. Nightwish, Within Temptation) or emo (ehh... actually, I can't give examples, don't know this genre so well :D) that are perfectly well-adjusted.

 

 

 

I think that society fails to create a proper distinction between the CHARACTER STEREOTYPE and the MUSIC GENRE in assigning these "words" (depending on your linguistic perspective ;)) to both meanings.

[lonellama]

 

[zeekyhbomb]

I hope you understand the whole 'emo' scene has died down quite a bit, and now people are more stereotyped on being 'emo' or not by their haircut. Most kids with that haircut don't cry and cut themselves, and many do not listen to what is considered 'emo' music. THis just really annoys me when you look at somebody, see their hair, with their bangs in their eye combed over a bit, and are like "Hey look at that emo". It ammys me all the more, as my brother has that stereotypical haircut, yet he hates Hawthorne Heights, he has never once hurt him self in any way, and he doesn't go in his room and cry. Ugh. :wall:

 

 

 

By the way, lonellama, that was very immature, I bet people could find many things to make fun of you as well. :wink:

[Kashi]

There can be no intelligent discussion on this subject.

 

 

 

Therefore, I wont even try.

[Mercifull]

Here's my intelligent opinion...

 

 

 

GO POST THIS ON A FORUM OF PEOPLE WHO CARE!!!!

 

 

 

Im sick of all these emo posts which just end up in flaming.

[Notorious_Ice]

Here's my intelligent opinion...

 

 

 

GO POST THIS ON A FORUM OF PEOPLE WHO CARE!!!!

 

 

 

Im sick of all these emo posts which just end up in flaming.

 

 

 

Thats not intelligent, if you don't want to post your opinion then stay out of the topic. I dont need comments from people like you.

 

 

 

I hope you understand the whole 'emo' scene has died down quite a bit, and now people are more stereotyped on being 'emo' or not by their haircut. Most kids with that haircut don't cry and cut themselves, and many do not listen to what is considered 'emo' music. THis just really annoys me when you look at somebody, see their hair, with their bangs in their eye combed over a bit, and are like "Hey look at that emo". It ammys me all the more, as my brother has that stereotypical haircut, yet he hates Hawthorne Heights, he has never once hurt him self in any way, and he doesn't go in his room and cry. Ugh. :wall:

 

 

 

By the way, lonellama, that was very immature, I bet people could find many things to make fun of you as well. :wink:

 

 

 

Well where i am, theres heaps of emos. My school has heaps and heaps of them. I can walk around a shopping centre (or mall) and see emos everywhere. People who dress that way, listen to the music, and tell everyone who cares and who doesnt care how bad their life is because they had an argument with their parents, or their little brother ate the last breadroll.

 

They dont realise that everyone has their own problems, i fight with my parents, ive had a friend die, ive been told by friends they want to kill themselves. And i still dont find the urge to cut myself. They dont try in anything, because they have made themselves depressed. And they wont think happy, because they are convinced they are so hard done by. So "emo" phases can ruin peoples lives because they dont try in school, fail everything, and when they grow up a little the only job they are qualified for is a patty flipper.

[WutangFlu]

Goth = a Culture, a style, and a fashion...

 

 

 

Emo = a Mindset that will fade in time. (i dont see 20 year old emos, do you?), and for god sake its becoming a fashion too... :notalk: by fashion, i mean its becoming acceptable, and attractive to people because they think its cool.

 

 

 

i usually hate these stupid topics about people because all it is judgemental, and prejudice.

 

 

 

YOU people need to learn to not care about how others treat themselves, or care about there lifestyles.

 

 

 

have you ever heard a teacher say "worry about yourself" that is all you need to do, and should do... stop caring about it.

 

 

 

like i said, this is just a fashion/lifestyle that will fade in time, just like hairbands, and disco.

[Tigra00]

My opinion is this:

 

 

 

Listen to whatever music you find "good". I listen to anything I find to be a "foot tapper", meaning I can listen to it without going "God, this is horrid.." basically. So I can listen to many types of rap, rock, metal, pop, whatever and still be myself. I've heard some "emo" bands and they have a few good songs, but most are just straight-up dumb. The same can be said for some bands in any genre, but they all have fans for some reason.

 

 

 

However, when you listen to one type of music and start acting and dressing to fit the part, you become open season for people to make fun of you, because you are a trend-following idiot.

 

 

 

I listen to all sorts of different music, and I wear plain white t-shirts and blue jeans. You can't stereotype me because I'm not a trend-following turd. If there was a trendy-band filled with people that dressed like me, I swear to god within a month Wal-Mart would sell out of their t-shirts and denim would be on short supply.

 

 

 

Hey, at least the robots we have now (that all look the same...) have funky hair and clothes! That's special! \

[deloriagod]

My opinion on this is they're people just like us. They might dress differently but that's it. I'm not 'emo' but I love 'emo' music (in fact I currently have a My Chemical Romance background on my desktop). I have actually gotten to know a few of the 'goths'/'emos' at my school and they're pretty cool, and I have a lot of fun when I'm with them (not saying I don't have fun with my other friends).

 

I think people everywhere need to stop stereotyping everyone. I don't even know what catagory I'd fall under since I get fairly good grades, love 'emo' music, I'm good at sports, play MMORPG's.. Well you get the point..

 

'Emo'/'goth' is just a label put on people because of the way they dress, not how they act, what music they listen to, and they're not all depressed and don't think about suicide.

[Anesthesia]

They're just people who want attention and the vast majority will grow out of it by the time they reach 20.

[Thief2668]

Everyone takes problems their own ways, Notorious. Some 'emos' or 'goths', as you are stereotyping, are, in fact, just in it because they think it's 'cool', or 'fashionable'. Others are in it because they do feel the way they are saying, be it through music, actions, or even what they wear. Humans can express themselves in various ways. Yes, music may also affect the behaviour, but the reason they are 'emo' or 'goth' isn't just because of the music, for the ones that ARE truly depressed at least. Sure, I believe that because they shouldn't be doing some of the things they do (Harming themselves? What in the world? That's just immature.), but I can't really stop them. Who am I to stop them from doing what they feel like doing?

 

 

 

Oh, and don't stereotype teenagers as they only once whop get into 'crazy fads', LP, trust me, alot of adults also immaturely say they are 'emo' just because they think it's 'cool'.

 

 

 

 

 

Then again, why are people like this about 'emos' or 'goths'? Why don't people make these threads for every kind of music genre. I.E., rap. Now THAT's something that makes the youngsters act very diffrently. There's racism, crime, and all sorts of bad things there. But I only hear concerned parents talking about it. What about hip hop? Pop? I don't hear much people complaining about those. Why hate just that one? What if suddenly the 'emos' and 'goths' start making threads about Pop followers, and start stereotyping? Aah well...

 

 

 

Please excuse my rambling... I have no intention in starting a sort of flame war here, neither am I n'emo' or 'goth', for you stereotypers out there...

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Oh, and, lonellama, that was immature, and unnecessary flame-bait. I suggest you make more mature comments in the future.

[deloriagod]

Thief, I think you may be looking at 'emos' and 'goths' with a stereotypical view. The majority of them are neither depressed nor do they cut themselves. People who cut themselves are people who are depressed, and anyone can be depressed. Like Anesthesia said, they're dressing and such like they do mostly for attention, not because they follow the stereotype.

 

 

 

 

 

As far as people not making threads about the negetive effects of rap.. Well rap has become huge, and I think people don't want to see the bad parts of it. People have their own views on things and when they like something enough, they don't tend to see how it harms the community. I do, however, think that there should be a thread about the negetive effeects of rap on the community. I will say I do enjoy certain rap songs but they're not too bad (as far as lyrics go).

[d-von]

meh a friend of mine has a goth as girlfriend, she isnt dark and all but those [bleep]es 0.o

 

 

 

:wall: why did she had to mosh to :wall:

 

those [bleep]es made my arms bleed :wall:

 

 

 

allthough i dont really like goth music and i aint that dark there just cool

[deloriagod]

meh a friend of mine has a goth as girlfriend, she isnt dark and all but those [bleep]es 0.o

 

 

 

:wall: why did she had to mosh to :wall:

 

those [bleep]es made my arms bleed :wall:

 

 

 

allthough i dont really like goth music and i aint that dark there just cool

 

 

 

Heh, 'goth' girls are cool but I could never date one of them.. They scare the hell out of me :shock: :oops:

[Mercifull]

Heh, 'goth' girls are cool

Be careful when generalising, I almost posted a pic just now ;) hehe

[megakiller32]

Emos-

 

 

 

I hate them, do they actually count as people? :P Just kidding, but theres this emo in my school, who i tease because hes an emo, so he started kicking my fett whe i was walking and then this conversation escalated-

 

 

 

Me: Whats your problem? *speeds up walking away from him*

 

Emo: hehehe.. your such a (word for cat which i cant post XD) when someone turns on you

 

Me: go home, slit your wrists and listen to panic! at the disco ;)

 

Emo: *lowers his head in shame*

 

 

 

\

[d-von]

Heh, 'goth' girls are cool

Be careful when generalising, I almost posted a pic just now ;) hehe

 

 

 

the enanescence goths r cool alltough there music is just plain sad, it makes me cry sometimes

 

:cry: :cry: :cry:

 

:P

 

 

 

 

 

oldskool goths r kinda scary but there music is way cooler \

[Thief2668]

I don't see where I said they ALL were depressed and cut themselves.

 

I never said only 'emos' and 'goths' are depressed. You don't have to be depressed to cut youself. Insane isn't the same as depressed (not saying they all are insane, nor that they aren't depressed, and are insane).

 

Not all of them dress in black. And if some of them do, what if they do it just because they like the colour on clothes? Or maybe they just don't want to have shirts that attract attention (Like ones that have text in them, sometimes funny, sometimes obcene).

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you on the music genres part though. The music is great, but the lyrics sure aren't good.

[Rizla]

Emos-

 

 

 

I hate them, do they actually count as people? :P Just kidding, but theres this emo in my school, who i tease because hes an emo, so he started kicking my fett whe i was walking and then this conversation escalated-

 

 

 

Me: Whats your problem? *speeds up walking away from him*

 

Emo: hehehe.. your such a (word for cat which i cant post XD) when someone turns on you

 

Me: go home, slit your wrists and listen to panic! at the disco ;)

 

Emo: *lowers his head in shame*

 

 

 

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Yeah, that never happened.

 

 

 

And if it did, it's a shame he didn't beat the hell out of you. You might not agree with what he wears or what music he likes, but that doesn't give you a reason to ridicule him. Think about it, "emo" is seen as someone who is depressed for whatever reason, and what exactly are you going to do by ridiculing that person apart from make it even worse?

 

People like you are far worse than any of the people you think it's your right to make fun of.

[Thief2668]

Emos-

 

 

 

I hate them, do they actually count as people? :P Just kidding, but theres this emo in my school, who i tease because hes an emo, so he started kicking my fett whe i was walking and then this conversation escalated-

 

 

 

Me: Whats your problem? *speeds up walking away from him*

 

Emo: hehehe.. your such a (word for cat which i cant post XD) when someone turns on you

 

Me: go home, slit your wrists and listen to panic! at the disco ;)

 

Emo: *lowers his head in shame*

 

 

 

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Yeah, that never happened.

 

 

 

And if it did, it's a shame he didn't beat the hell out of you. You might not agree with what he wears or what music he likes, but that doesn't give you a reason to ridicule him. Think about it, "emo" is seen as someone who is depressed for whatever reason, and what exactly are you going to do by ridiculing that person apart from make it even worse?

 

People like you are far worse than any of the people you think it's your right to make fun of.

 

 

 

I really don't see how anyone else could have had said it better. =D>

[blushenka]

So, the way I see it, being emo is like being a rebel without a cause, right? You choose to be depressed, act depressed, etc. If you would *choose* to be one of those optimists that dress in pink, you would manage it just fine all the same. Meaning either choice you make is not based on the circumstances in your life, but on your own personal preferences (music, mostly, fashion, etc).

 

Being depressed on the other hand, is a serious illness that you cannot choose to just snap out of and is far less 'romantic' than having long black hair in your eyes and lots of dark eyeliner. Not to be confused with each other.

 

And gothic, like it has already been said, is a culture, a state of mind even, but it's more 'elevated' than emo. It's mostly concerned with the arts and esthetic. Some of the best literature and poetry of the world was gothic or influenced by gothic elements (Poe, Baudelaire, etc). People who are into gothic stuff are not necessarily depressed or make a point of looking 'fashionably depressed' but are more inclined to see the dark side of things. - "the cloud that took the form (When the rest of Heaven was blue) Of a demon in my view", like Poe writes in a cool poem.

 

In a free world, they should be allowed to do that, without being pestered by optimists that they're not living life as they should. :P

 

Myeah, most of you will probably look at this post like :-s Sorry ^_^

[Rizla]

I think if people actually talked to all the people they label as emo, they'd realise that they're not all on the verge of killing themselves. Hell, i've got a friend who could be the definition of the emo look, but he's one of the happiest people i know and works as a care assitant for mentally and pysically disabled children.

 

Clearly a lot of people in this thread are so hung up on looks that they don't care to look past them and get to know the real person underneath.

[reddawn509]

I think if people actually talked to all the people they label as emo, they'd realise that they're not all on the verge of killing themselves. Hell, i've got a friend who could be the definition of the emo look, but he's one of the happiest people i know and works as a care assitant for mentally and pysically disabled children.

 

Clearly a lot of people in this thread are so hung up on looks that they don't care to look past them and get to know the real person underneath.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, I recently had a conversation with a group of apparent "goths" (black cloaths white skin etc) and it turned out they where highly intelligent individuals, who were quite happy in life, it was a real eye opener on how much people judge others on how they dress, it was amazing for them to be talking about quantum physics and shakespere....anywho thats my 2 cents

 

 

 

 

 

:oops:

[Rizla]

I agree, I recently had a conversation with a group of apparent "goths" (black cloaths white skin etc) and it turned out they where highly intelligent individuals, who were quite happy in life, it was a real eye opener on how much people judge others on how they dress, it was amazing for them to be talking about quantum physics and shakespere....anywho thats my 2 cents

 

 

 

 

 

:oops:

 

 

 

It happens. Look at Marilyn Manson, sure he looks wierd as hell but if you've ever seen anyone interview him (or read his book) you'll quickly realise he's freakishly intelligent.